Flat Earthers: What They Believe and Why

[prodromos]

@lifepsyop you still haven't answered how flights between Sydney and Santiago are shorter than flights between Sydney and Los Angeles. It's perfectly obvious on a globe.

 

[lifepsyop]

The results from the calculations using the Heliocentric 3D-Model are then projected onto the Flat Earth and the Dome.

Translation: both globe-earth and flat-earth are supported by the same calculations.

It would be just as valid to say that the calculations from the Flat Earth model were projected onto a Heliocentric Globe one.

To optically connect a Flat Earth Observer with Celestial Objects on the Dome, visible from his location at the right Azimuth and Elevation, light has to bend in ways, which can not be observed in reality.

Science begins at what we observe in the first place. We learn about the nature of the light and the nature of our visual space based on what we observe.

His complaining about bendy light is the tail wagging the dog - out of the order of logical operation.

This Model requires that light bends different depending on the observers location. There is no known physics that explains how this could happen. How does your "azimuthal grid of vision" know the location of the observer so it knows how to bend light as required for the personal observation, Witsit, Shane, any flat earther?

You may as well ask how objects 'know' to appear smaller as you walk away from them. This is simply an axiomatic principle of how visual space works.

And as stated above, we learn about nature from what we observe. Does Bislin believe in Dark Matter I wonder?

For the Globe and Heliocentric Model however no projections and no weird location dependent light bending is required to match all observations

Right, and all you needed to do to firm up this model was curve the earth into a ball and send it off wobbling and spiraling through endless space vacuum at a million miles per hour... seems very reasonable and not weird at all...

for any observer on earth and in space without any flaws, because in reality the earth is a rotating Globe orbiting a distant Sun with a Moon orbiting the Earth.

not having any experimental evidence of either earth-curve or earth-motion is a pretty big flaw.

My Bible tells me that the earth and the firmament are something at rest since the beginning of creation, and that the luminaries were made for us and encircle us... and that is good enough for me.

The earth is the central stage and we are the central drama of all God's creation.

There is not a big endless void of space out there, where earth is just a little flying speck. Modern cosmology is mostly mathematical modeling, theoretical imagineering and science fiction from people who dream of living in Star-Trek.

 

[prodromos]

Translation: both globe-earth and flat-earth are supported by the same calculations.

Only in your febrile imagination

It would be just as valid to say that the calculations from the Flat Earth model were projected onto a Heliocentric Globe one.

Just as false as the last time you made his claim. For example, no flat earth model is able to predict down to the minute and the exact location where any solar eclipses will be visible. The heliocentric globe model does so repeatedly and accurately.

Science begins at what we observe in the first place. We learn about the nature of the light and the nature of our visual space based on what we observe.

Yep, we have observed repeatedly through experimentation exactly how light bends through pressure gradients. Based on conditions we are able to predict how light will bend and it matches perfectly. No experiment has ever resulted in light bending they way it has to for the personal dome model to work.

His complaining about bendy light is the tail wagging the dog - out of the order of logical operation.

Dunning Kruger alert!

You may as well ask how objects 'know' to appear smaller as you walk away from them. This is simply an axiomatic principle of how visual space works.

Its a fixed ratio. Objects don't suddenly appear 50 times smaller when you take a step backwards

And as stated above, we learn about nature from what we observe.

And we don't ever observe light bending as it does in the personal dome model.

 

[prodromos]

Still no response to how flights between Sydney and Santiago take less time than flights between Sydney and Los Angeles.

 

[lifepsyop]

Just as false as the last time you made his claim. For example, no flat earth model is able to predict down to the minute and the exact location where any solar eclipses will be visible. The heliocentric globe model does so repeatedly and accurately.

Celestial predictions are based off of records of observations, not the heliocentric globe model. You seem always to be ontologically confused.

Yep, we have observed repeatedly through experimentation exactly how light bends through pressure gradients. Based on conditions we are able to predict how light will bend and it matches perfectly. No experiment has ever resulted in light bending they way it has to for the personal dome model to work.

We have also observed repeatedly through experimentation that the earth is at rest. Some of your assumptions about light originate from trying to avoid those conclusions.

Its a fixed ratio. Objects don't suddenly appear 50 times smaller when you take a step backwards

The limit of vision is a fixed distance, relative the observer. Nothing about it is arbitrary.

And we don't ever observe light bending as it does in the personal dome model.

Everyone is observing it every moment they are looking somewhere. It is literally how we view the world. The model is observationally correct.

It's funny that the people who believe in (or support the scientific communities who believe in) the existence of "dark matter" are complaining that constant universally tested observation is not good enough to pass muster.

 

[prodromos]

Celestial predictions are based off of records of observations, not the heliocentric globe model. You seem always to be ontologically confused.



We have also observed repeatedly through experimentation that the earth is at rest. Some of your assumptions about light originate from trying to avoid those conclusions.



The limit of vision is a fixed distance, relative the observer. Nothing about it is arbitrary.



Everyone is observing it every moment they are looking somewhere. It is literally how we view the world. The model is observationally correct.

It's funny that the people who believe in (or support the scientific communities who believe in) the existence of "dark matter" are complaining that constant universally tested observation is not good enough to pass muster.

Where is your explanation regarding flights between Sydney, Santiago and Los Angeles? I must have missed it.

 

[lifepsyop]

Where is your explanation regarding flights between Sydney, Santiago and Los Angeles? I must have missed it.

You didn't miss it. Several times I explained how you are speculating without having all the facts. That is the best I can do for you.

 

[prodromos]

You didn't miss it. Several times I explained how you are speculating without having all the facts. That is the best I can do for you.

And I explained that your claim we are speculating is nonsense. We have all the facts we need to demonstrate that those flights are impossible on your fantasy flat earth.

 

[prodromos]

You didn't miss it. Several times I explained how you are speculating without having all the facts. That is the best I can do for you.

Draw a line between Sydney and Los Angeles on your favourite flat earth map and then do the same between Sydney and Santiago. You will find that not only is the line between Sydney and Santiago much longer than the line between Sydney and Los Angeles, but it also passes almost directly over Los Angeles on your flat earth map. A three year old can tell you that the flight to Santiago on your flat earth map MUST take longer than the flight to Los Angeles but apparently there aren't enough facts for you to work with. This means either you lack the mental capacity to do even the most basic comparisons or you are lying. Since I don't believe you are a moron, I have to go with the latter.

 

[lifepsyop]

And I explained that your claim we are speculating is nonsense. We have all the facts we need to demonstrate that those flights are impossible on your fantasy flat earth.

But you were wrong, and I explained why.

Draw a line between Sydney and Los Angeles on your favourite flat earth map and then do the same between Sydney and Santiago. You will find that not only is the line between Sydney and Santiago much longer than the line between Sydney and Los Angeles, but it also passes almost directly over Los Angeles on your flat earth map. A three year old can tell you that the flight to Santiago on your flat earth map MUST take longer than the flight to Los Angeles but apparently there aren't enough facts for you to work with.

Correct, your making assumptions and drawing lines are not facts.

 

[prodromos]

But you were wrong, and I explained why.

Correct, your making assumptions and drawing lines are not facts.

Perhaps you aren't lying after all.

 

[Apple Sky]

It would be just as valid to say that the calculations from the Flat Earth model were projected onto a Heliocentric Globe one.

Yes & leaving Antarctica just a small blob on the globe.

 

[prodromos]

Yes & leaving Antarctica just a small blob on the globe.

He was the first person to be offered a free trip to Antarctica, which he refused.

 

[Apple Sky]

He was the first person to be offered a free trip to Antarctica, which he refused.

And I don't blame him either.

 

[Michie]

He was the first person to be offered a free trip to Antarctica, which he refused.

Most normal people would have went to prove they are correct. But he knows he isn’t.

 

[Apple Sky]

I Believe the earth is flat because God tells us it is.

 

[Apple Sky]

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[Strong in Him]

I Believe the earth is flat because God tells us it is.

He doesn't.
You know perfectly well that he doesn't and have even said so.

 

[David Lamb]

I Believe the earth is flat because God tells us it is.

Where does God tell us that the earth is flat? You would need something different from the verse you usually quote, Isaiah 40:22, which talks of the Lord sitting on the circle of the earth, because as I have said before, the word translated "circle" can equally mean "circuit" or "compass".

 

[Apple Sky]

He doesn't.
You know perfectly well that he doesn't and have even said so.

God doesn't but yet he does.