Shouldn't all Evangelicals want Christian Nationalism?

[bèlla]

Right, I forgot about the foundation of our democracy. But Christian Nationalism can dispense with all that.

The only movement that will be in power is the one the globalists create. They'll dangle a carrot for the gullible with clever words and charismatic types. But rest assured they're part of the problem as is their agenda.

~bella

 

[RDKirk]

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal....

If you are using the sheriff's gun to back you up, you're using the wrong weapons.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

When did Trump become part of this conversation?

Christian Nationalist have chosen Trump as their champion.

 

[lifepsyop]

Christianity is a choice and must remain a choice. It is not to be forced.

It doesn't have to be forced. You can believe what you want as long as you don't publicly blaspheme. You would be told to keep it to yourselves or move to a non-Christian society.

We live in a time where its easy to get the gospel out due to modern technology. Some will respond .... some not.

More accurate to say that modern technology is one of the greatest mass distractions away from the Gospel. Internet search statistics reflect this.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

You will not impose christian nationalism on this nation without a fight. They will take up arms to prevent it.

~bella

I do not think I will impose anything on the USA. Rather what the discussion is about is what Evangelicals or Christians more broadly should prefer.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Christian Nationalist have chosen Trump as their champion.

Or have they made a political calculus that he is their best option? If the league of the Militant Godless was a USA party, they would chose the Democrats despite the latter not agreeing with them completely, right?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Or have they made a political calculus that he is their best option?

Same thing.

 

[Rescued One]

The modern American Christian's faith is the USA, the bible is their constitution. Anything which violates the liberal principles enumerated in these things is what they oppose.

Christiana throughout most of history accepted it as natural that their political leaders would represent their faith and it's interests. The modern American Christian considers this evil for some reason.

Power can only be excercised for Non religious reasons, like invading countries to spread Liberal Democracy.

I am grateful however that there are more Christians these days willing to question their loyalty to anti Christian entities like the USA and who prefer their own interests as Christians first and foremost

Millions of people are deceived. Jesus said, "If you love me keep my commandments." If living for Christ is ignored or not put first, it causes many to continue to not care.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Christian Nationalism would result in many more people hearing about the Gospel of Jesus. The gospel would shine through every major institution, instead of being mostly hidden or mocked as it is today, at best an historical relic.

According to Evangelicals, nothing is more important than this mission to have more people one earth hear the Gospel.

The nation itself would be a kind of witness about the reality of Jesus Christ, in the same way that we worship individual liberty and the spirit of democracy today, as the ultimate goods of mankind.

So what do evangelicals say in response to this?

I suppose they may disagree with the methods that the Gospel is preached, but who are they to resist the methods as long as Jesus is being preached?

The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. - Phillipians 1:17-18


This is where I see real tension between modern Christianity and the Gospel. There are idols in between them, idols that the leftwing and rightwing share. I always picture it as the Statue of Liberty holding the Cross. The idea is that they are not willing to sacrifice either of them, and give glory to both in a kind of syncretized secularized modern Christianity.

I like the idea of a generic, soft Christian Nationalism, but since this nation wasn't constitutionally designed for the dominance of Christianity, let alone for one specific denominational form of it to rule over another, I don't see that we'll ever be able to implement it. If we did, Christians would immediately squabble over who's denominational interpretation should become law, and some of them would fight it out.

Instead of fantasizing about Christian Nationalism, it'd be better to simply pray, hope and be influential toward bringing others to Christ.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Christian Nationalism would result in many more people hearing about the Gospel of Jesus. The gospel would shine through every major institution, instead of being mostly hidden or mocked as it is today, at best an historical relic.

According to Evangelicals, nothing is more important than this mission to have more people one earth hear the Gospel.

The nation itself would be a kind of witness about the reality of Jesus Christ, in the same way that we worship individual liberty and the spirit of democracy today, as the ultimate goods of mankind.

So what do evangelicals say in response to this?

I suppose they may disagree with the methods that the Gospel is preached, but who are they to resist the methods as long as Jesus is being preached?

The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. - Phillipians 1:17-18


This is where I see real tension between modern Christianity and the Gospel. There are idols in between them, idols that the leftwing and rightwing share. I always picture it as the Statue of Liberty holding the Cross. The idea is that they are not willing to sacrifice either of them, and give glory to both in a kind of syncretized secularized modern Christianity.

I disagree with the premise that, "According to Evangelicals, nothing is more important than this mission to have more people one earth hear the Gospel."

But aside from that, I also disagree that Christian Nationalism would mean that more would hear the Gospel. I recall in one South American country at one time under a dictator who thought to make his country moral, and I have heard that it is common among any moralistic system, that mockery is common, and enjoyed by most ruled by the system. What they get is not gospel, but law.

 

[public hermit]

Christian Nationalism would result in many more people hearing about the Gospel of Jesus. The gospel would shine through every major institution, instead of being mostly hidden or mocked as it is today, at best an historical relic.

According to Evangelicals, nothing is more important than this mission to have more people one earth hear the Gospel.

The nation itself would be a kind of witness about the reality of Jesus Christ, in the same way that we worship individual liberty and the spirit of democracy today, as the ultimate goods of mankind.

So what do evangelicals say in response to this?

I suppose they may disagree with the methods that the Gospel is preached, but who are they to resist the methods as long as Jesus is being preached?

The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice. - Phillipians 1:17-18


This is where I see real tension between modern Christianity and the Gospel. There are idols in between them, idols that the leftwing and rightwing share. I always picture it as the Statue of Liberty holding the Cross. The idea is that they are not willing to sacrifice either of them, and give glory to both in a kind of syncretized secularized modern Christianity.

Christian Nationalism is a horrible idea, especially when you capitalize it. It's a change of faith from Christ to a temporal kingdom with power to destroy, and that power has been shown to be impotent in the face of the living God. Christian Nationalism is a sign of weakness, and it is to be pitied. It is a sad sign worth reckoning.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Instead of fantasizing about Christian Nationalism, it'd be better to simply pray, hope and be influential toward bringing others to Christ.

Isn't this the current strategy which is losing at the moment? Why is the solution to surrender power to those who hate you?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Christian Nationalism is a horrible idea, especially when you capitalize it. It's a change of faith from Christ to a temporal kingdom with power to destroy, and that power has been shown to be impotent in the face of the living God. Christian Nationalism is a sign of weakness, and it is to be pitied. It is a sad sign worth reckoning.

So true strength is allowing your enemies to rule over you in whatever way they want? Is this how Christians should have dealt with the Muslims as well? Refuse to fight them?

 

[public hermit]

So true strength is allowing your enemies to rule over you in whatever way they want? Is this how Christians should have dealt with the Muslims as well? Refuse to fight them?

If you're scared say you're scared. Humility is a good step towards Christ. The only difference between you and Christ is that you think you possess something. Christ emptied himself, and he won- the name above all names, every knee, etc. You have everything and nothing all at once.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

If you're scared say you're scared. Humility is a good step towards Christ. The only difference between you and Christ is that you think you possess something. Christ emptied himself, and he won- the name above all names, every knee, etc. You have everything and nothing all at once.

Hold on please. Is strength surrendering to your enemies and letting them rule?

 

[public hermit]

Hold on please. Is strength surrendering to your enemies and letting them rule?

Strength is Christ allowing the forces of evil to do their best, and then popping up from death as if it doesn't matter. And, it doesn't matter

If your fear is death, then you don't know Christ as well as you think you do.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Strength is Christ allowing the forces of evil to do their best, and then popping up from death as if it doesn't matter. And, it doesn't matter

If your fear is death, then you don't know Christ as well as you think you do.

So you would advocate surrendering to the Nazis during WW2 right? Or surrendering to the Soviet Union during WW1 right? Evil must be allowed to triumph right?

 

[public hermit]

So you would advocate surrendering to the Nazis during WW2 right? Or surrendering to the Soviet Union during WW1 right? Evil must be allowed to triumph right?

I would advocate that you give up your Christian Nationalism and turn to Christ. Other than that, I advocate listening to Slayer.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I would advocate that you give up your Christian Nationalism and turn to Christ. Other than that, I advocate listening to Slayer.

So in otherwords you have no argument. If your position is not applicable to anything other than Christian Nationalism it's a meaningless rule and one only applied to your enemies.

You wouldn't apply this rule to the political party you support, just your enemies, who happen to be serious Christians.

 

[public hermit]

So in otherwords you have no argument. If your position is not applicable to anything other than Christian Nationalism it's a meaningless rule and one only applied to your enemies.

You wouldn't apply this rule to the political party you support, just your enemies, who happen to be serious Christians.

No, Sir. You misunderstood me. I meant Christian Nationalism is an enemy of Christ. It is anti-Christ. Whomever you obey is your master.