Why do teenagers and young adults hate Christianity ?

[2PhiloVoid]

A picture perfect place for an application of Hitchens razor: what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[All Becomes New]

Why don't you explain me to me? That couldn't be condescending in the slightest...

Atheists always say they are the evidential ones. The smart ones who figured out that God is a myth. They claim, many of them, that the only thing that exists is physics, chemistry, and the physical nature of things. So the only way we can gain understanding is through our five senses. That is a false view. It is the same sort of lie people talk themselves into as believing in the pragmatic view of truth. I was an atheist for a while. I know what it is like to be an atheist. As such, I am well aware that what @2PhiloVoid says is true that at root, it has to be about an illumination to your eyes. Still, if there is so much evidence against the atheist position (and there is) then I would say the rational position is Agnosticism. Atheism is rebellion. Agnosticism is at least rational because it leaves the possibility open. And being a Christian requires illumination. So Atheism, at its root, is about rebellion. Agnosticism is the rational view. And being a Christian is about the Holy Spirit opening your eyes to the Truth. But when atheists have been given so much evidence it hurts, it is simply denying the truth at that point.

You are. You make the claim about more Christians being killed in the last hundred years than the 1900 year prior to that. Unless you have pulled that number out of thin air you should be able to support it with some data.

If you've pulled it out of the air no one has any reason to believe such a wild and outlandish claim.

Said, and repeated, several times, that I was only going based on what I have heard from multiple sources (who I believe are credible). I don't have a primary source. However, I did link a search result that confirms that at least in the last 30 years persecution against Christians has gotten worse worldwide.

 

[Paulos23]

... the strange thing for me was that I was mocked by..........................fellow D&D players when I played in junior high and high school. Of course, that's what I get for insisting on playing a Paladin character among other players who insisted on playing Thief and Assassin class characters.

It was the Best of times; it was the Motliest of times.

Funny, I always ended up playing a Paladin as well.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

How do you know that they are killed for their Christianity as opposed to their behaviour?

If it were me, I'd go interview them for some qualitative data-----with "them" be the killers. But it sounds too risky to do.

 

[Desk trauma]

I don’t speak emoji.

 

[RileyG]

Funny, I always ended up playing a Paladin as well.

Careful! Some people think D&D will lead to the occult LOL

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Yeah. It’s like crime, all about the feels never mind if there’s less of it than there used to be.

Some of us are more concerned with the fact that there is any crime ............. at all, wherever and to whomever it happens to, however few.

 

[RileyG]

Some of us are more concerned with the fact that there is any crime ............. at all, wherever and to whomever it happens to, however few.

One person being killed is one too many.

 

[All Becomes New]

I feel like in the last 25 years gun violence has only gotten worse….but I’m too young to actually know and someone can correct me

Without trying to completely derail the thread, yes, gun violence is worse today than it was 25 years ago. That is by no means the fault of people who own guns legally and follow the rules. The problem is the people who use guns illegally. As we all know, mass shootings have taken off since Columbine. This is a real problem. But the people doing those things are not trying to play by the rules. As such, stricter gun laws are not going to help things much. I recently heard about what is going on in Europe. There have been plenty of mass stabbings. Recently, there was a rampaging person who tried to kill as many people as he could with a knife by trying to cut open their throats. Guns are not the problem. Even if you got rid of all the guns in the USA, people would still find a way to try and kill a lot of people, like home made bombs and such. So the problem is not guns. Guns just make it easier to kill people. The problem is far deeper than that. It is that there are wicked people in the world who want to harm innocent people. It is a problem that has been below the surface of our culture in the US for decades. And it is getting worse.

 

[RileyG]

Without trying to completely derail the thread, yes, gun violence is worse today than it was 25 years ago. That is by no means the fault of people who own guns legally and follow the rules. The problem is the people who use guns illegally. As we all know, mass shootings have taken off since Columbine. This is a real problem. But the people doing those things are not trying to play by the rules. As such, stricter gun laws are not going to help things much. I recently heard about what is going on in Europe. There have been plenty of mass stabbings. Recently, there was a rampaging person who tried to kill as many people as he could with a knife by trying to cut open their throats. Guns are not the problem. Even if you got rid of all the guns in the USA, people would still find a way to try and kill a lot of people, like home made bombs and such. So the problem is not guns. Guns just make it easier to kill people. The problem is far deeper than that. It is that there are wicked people in the world who want to harm innocent people. It is a problem that has been below the surface of our culture in the US for decades. And it is getting worse.

People are becoming more violent? Sadly, I believe it. Makes me sick.

 

[All Becomes New]

What I meant was were these people killed solely because of their belief in salvation through Jesus Christ or because of what they were doing? Were they killed because of what they did or because of what they are?

I think you underestimate how much other religions like Islam hate Christianity. Yes, it is because they claim to be Christians. It is far too much convergence for it to all be based on them being jerks or criminals anyways (which, BTW, it is illegal to be a Christain in many countries around the world).

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I don’t speak emoji.

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[RileyG]

I think you underestimate how much other religions like Islam hate Christianity. Yes, it is because they claim to be Christians. It is far too much convergence for it to all be based on them being jerks or criminals anyways (which, BTW, it is illegal to be a Christain in many countries around the world).

Correct. In Islamic countries you can be killed for converting to Christianity. That’s a fact.

 

[All Becomes New]

People are becoming more violent? Sadly, I believe it. Makes me sick.

Christ said when he returned it would be like the "Days of Noah." What was common during that time? The Bible says they were a very violent people. It was only Noah who was considered righteous. And God saved Noah, not because he was perfect, but because he was the only man on earth who was a God-fearing man. I believe the world is only going to get more violent until Christ returns. Does that mean that Christ's return is imminent? I am not convinced of that. I think some things have to happen until the Lord returns. However, I do see that our society is getting more violent, just as our Lord and Savior predicted.

 

[RileyG]

Christ said when he returned it would be like the "Days of Noah." What was common during that time? The Bible says they were a very violent people. It was only Noah who was considered righteous. And God saved Noah, not because he was perfect, but because he was the only man on earth who was a God-fearing man. I believe the world is only going to get more violent until Christ returns. Does that mean that Christ's return is imminent? I am not convinced of that. I think some things have to happen until the Lord returns. However, I do see that our society is getting more violent, just as our Lord and Savior predicted.

Agreed.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Your response perfectly illustrates that which I am speaking does it not? These verses speak not only of you but the entirety of humanity with their fallen Adamic nature. Nothing personal, you are not being singled out.

When I first became aware of this passage, I had been a self-aware non-believer for a decade and was already reading (but not a member of) this site. Now what did the author claim:

1. That the evidence for god was plainly seen in the world around to everyone.
2. That anyone that "denied" that evidence was turned by God to do wicked things.
3. That those wicked things would warrant death as just punishment.

I rarely have visceral reactions to texts, but I did to this one. The first reaction was that the author just didn't know what he was talking about. I had never used the natural aspects of the world as evidence for or against god, nor had it seemed as "obvious" to me that it was created by a deity. I was aware that many others had similar opinions and experiences.

Then it is made clear in the text (and the way many use the text as argument) that those of us who do not see are "denying" what is "obvious" and it turns us wicked. Again this does not comport with experience. Those "wickednesses" that the author writes of (lust of other men and worship of non-gods) are also not things I experienced. Nor did I see evidence of it in others.

Use this passage to make yourself feel better about us naturalistic non-believers if you must among yourselves, but don't think for a minute that it will convince us of your god or that you mean well.

This also begs the question, if the Bible is fabricated by a man, why does it speak so bleakly of the human race?

Not "fabricated by a man", but written by men. As for the bleakness, Have you met people?

 

[RDKirk]

Do you genuinely believe things are better now than in the past? If so, how do you account for the rise in crime and the increased prevalence of mental health issues? While some changes have been positive, it seems like we've reached a point where things are starting to deteriorate again.

Christianity is declining rapidly in the West. Do you consider this a positive development as well?

Looking at other countries and across history, I think a 10% Christian penetration is probably the most reliable top limit. Any more than that are just poseurs because they're getting some kind of social benefit.

And that's definitely true if "Christians" are the majority. Jesus told us "the path is narrow" and "the world will hate you." If Christians are the top dogs in a society, it means they're just "the world" calling themselves Christian.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Looking at other countries and across history, I think a 10% Christian penetration is probably the most reliable top limit. Any more than that are just poseurs because they're getting some kind of social benefit.

And that's definitely true if "Christians" are the majority. Jesus told us "the path is narrow" and "the world will hate you." If Christians are the top dogs in a society, it means they're just "the world" calling themselves Christian.

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[Paulos23]

Looking at other countries and across history, I think a 10% Christian penetration is probably the most reliable top limit. Any more than that are just poseurs because they're getting some kind of social benefit.

And that's definitely true if "Christians" are the majority. Jesus told us "the path is narrow" and "the world will hate you." If Christians are the top dogs in a society, it means they're just "the world" calling themselves Christian.

Interesting take. Something to think about.

 

[All Becomes New]

Looking at other countries and across history, I think a 10% Christian penetration is probably the most reliable top limit. Any more than that are just poseurs because they're getting some kind of social benefit.

And that's definitely true if "Christians" are the majority. Jesus told us "the path is narrow" and "the world will hate you." If Christians are the top dogs in a society, it means they're just "the world" calling themselves Christian.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

There was a study done (in fact several that I can think of) that says that the number of people who claim to be Christians is far greater than those who hold a Biblical worldview. So the evidence backs up your claim. I saw one number that said that only 2% of Gen Z have a Biblical worldview. It is really sad and I blame millennials (my generation) for not instilling the faith in their children.