Exploring the Harmony Between Faith and Science in Understanding Life

[AV1611VET]

Only in your mind.

So is your question answered now to your satisfaction?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So is your question answered now to your satisfaction?

Since I never asked you, and the person I asked had already responded to my personal question that I asked them a good few pages back before you decided to butt in... yes, it already was.

Your addition was just unnecessary, vacuous waffle.

 

[AV1611VET]

Since I never asked you, and the person I asked had already responded to my personal question that I asked them a good few pages back before you decided to butt in... yes, it already was.

Your addition was just unnecessary, vacuous waffle.

-- QV please:

And I remember repeatedly asking you, along with others asking, why it matters so much at all to you for you to bring it up IN EVERY THREAD YOU TAKE PART IN.

Because Pluto is an excellent poster child against those who think science walks on water.

Only in your mind.

Are you now satisfied why "I" think -- if even 'only in my mind' -- that Pluto is a poster child for those who think science walks on water?

Whether you agree with me or not, are you now done "repeatedly asking me" about why I bring it up so much?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

-- QV please:







Are you now satisfied why "I" think -- if even 'only in my mind' -- that Pluto is a poster child for those who think science walks on water?

Whether you agree with me or not, are you now done "repeatedly asking me" about why I bring it up so much?

Considering that I didn't ask you a question... yes, we're done.

 

[AV1611VET]

Considering that I didn't ask you a question... yes, we're done.

Just think of this thread the next time you start to "repeatedly" ask me why I'm always bringing up Pluto.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Just think of this thread the next time you start to "repeatedly" ask me why I'm always bringing up Pluto.

Yes, Senor Quixote. You must tilt at your windmill I mean giant, as you do.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, Senor Quixote. You must tilt at your windmill I mean giant, as you do.

My motives are well-known and well-documented.

Do you have any other questions about any of my motives I can answer for you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

My motives are well-known and well-documented.

Do you have any other questions about any of my motives I can answer for you?

No.

 

[jayem]

I agree.

But I'll ask you what I asked Warden:

Do you know any scientist that was fired from his job?

Sure. Do you remember Andrew Wakefield? The British MD who published several papers claiming that MMR vaccines, routinely given to children, can cause autism. Which was a total fabrication, and he lost his license to practice medicine as a result. Not to mention that several years ago, he made further false claims about Covid vaccines.

Disgraced British doctor is leading movement against covid vaccine

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure. Do you remember Andrew Wakefield? The British MD who published several papers claiming that MMR vaccines, routinely given to children, can cause autism. Which was a total fabrication, and he lost his license to practice medicine as a result. Not to mention that several years ago, he made further false claims about Covid vaccines.

Disgraced British doctor is leading movement against covid vaccine

Good.

Thank you for that example.

Now to my point:

How many people even heard of Andrew Wakefield?

Yet, how many people can name at least three "Christian fraudsters"?

Seems to me that, when a scientist gets disciplined, it's on page five.

But let a Christian get disciplined, it's in the headlines.

 

[sjastro]

Scientists and their predecessors philosophers who proposed Naturalism and Humanism were on the receiving end of persecutions.
Here is a list of ten who died as a result of intolerance showed by religion.

Here’s a list of ten scientists or scholars who faced execution, persecution, or punishment by religious authorities:

1. **Giordano Bruno (1548-1600)**
- **Nationality:** Italian
- **Field:** Cosmology, philosophy
- **Reason:** Bruno was burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church for heresy. His ideas about the infinity of the universe and the multiplicity of worlds, among other beliefs, conflicted with Church doctrine.

2. **Michael Servetus (1511-1553)**
- **Nationality:** Spanish
- **Field:** Medicine, theology
- **Reason:** Servetus was executed by burning in Geneva, under the authority of John Calvin, for his anti-Trinitarian views and critiques of the Church.

3. **Hypatia of Alexandria (c. 360-415 CE)**
- **Nationality:** Egyptian (Roman Empire)
- **Field:** Mathematics, philosophy, astronomy
- **Reason:** Hypatia was murdered by a Christian mob in Alexandria, possibly with the tacit approval of religious authorities, due to her pagan beliefs and influence in a time of rising Christian dominance.

4. **Étienne Dolet (1509-1546)**
- **Nationality:** French
- **Field:** Humanism, linguistics, publishing
- **Reason:** Dolet was executed by the French Inquisition for heresy, particularly for his writings that were perceived as atheistic or anti-religious.

5. **Lucilio Vanini (1585-1619)**
- **Nationality:** Italian
- **Field:** Philosophy, theology
- **Reason:** Vanini was executed in Toulouse, France, for heresy, atheism, and blasphemy. His ideas on naturalism and critique of religious doctrine were condemned by the Church.

6. **Francisco de Encinas (1518-1552)**
- **Nationality:** Spanish
- **Field:** Humanism, theology
- **Reason:** Encinas, known for translating the New Testament into Spanish, was arrested and tortured by the Inquisition. He died in prison under suspicious circumstances, likely due to his Protestant beliefs.

7. **Pietro d'Abano (1257-1316)**
- **Nationality:** Italian
- **Field:** Medicine, philosophy
- **Reason:** D’Abano was accused of heresy and practicing magic by the Inquisition. He died in prison, possibly poisoned, before he could be executed.

8. **Cecco d’Ascoli (Francesco Stabili) (1257-1327)**
- **Nationality:** Italian
- **Field:** Astrology, medicine
- **Reason:** Cecco was burned at the stake in Florence for heretical views related to his astrological and medical writings.

9. **William Sawtrey (died 1401)**
- **Nationality:** English
- **Field:** Theology
- **Reason:** Sawtrey was the first person to be executed by burning in England for heresy under a law passed by King Henry IV. He was a Lollard, a follower of John Wycliffe, and was condemned for his beliefs that opposed Church doctrine.

10. **Giulio Cesare Vanini (Lucilio Vanini) (1585-1619)**
- **Nationality:** Italian
- **Field:** Philosophy, theology
- **Reason:** Vanini was executed in Toulouse for his atheistic and anti-Christian views, which were considered heretical by the Church.

These individuals were targeted mainly due to the perceived threat their ideas posed to established religious doctrines and authorities.

 

[Neogaia777]

Scientists and their predecessors philosophers who proposed Naturalism and Humanism were on the receiving end of persecutions.
Here is a list of ten who died as a result of intolerance showed by religion.

Don't forget to add Jesus Chist to that list.

Even though he submitted to it willingly, etc.

But only after he was finished, or had completed his task though.

God Bless.

 

[Gene2memE]

Good.

Thank you for that example.

Now to my point:

How many people even heard of Andrew Wakefield?

Millions. Likely 10s of millions. And potentially hundreds of millions. He's probably the most famous anti-vaxxer there is.

To give you an indication of his notoriety, I know at least one Youtube video dealing directly with Wakefield and his claims around vaccines and autism has collected more than 10 million views. I won't link it here (as it contains forbidden words), but you can easily find it by searching 'hbomberguy, vaccines, autism' in the search engine of your choosing. There are several others with more than a million views each, involving everyone from published immunologists and science educators all the way to stand up comedians.

Then there are all the traditional media sources about Wakefield and his MMR vaccines causes autism fraud and the subsequent legal actions. Hundreds of articles, interviews, editorials and video segments. Like this BBC piece: The origins of ‘one of the biggest frauds in the world’

Not to mention all of the journal and professional articles.

The Wikipedia page on Wakefield has 4.1 million views since July 2015 (as far as Wikipedia tracking data goes back). The MMR vaccine page, which has a segment dedicated to Wakefield, has 3.8 million views. The 'Lancet MMR autism fraud' has ~368,000 page views.

Yet, how many people can name at least three "Christian fraudsters"?

I can't. Not specifically. There's undoubtedly thousands out there, but only Kent Hovind springs to mind immediately.

Seems to me that, when a scientist gets disciplined, it's on page five.

But let a Christian get disciplined, it's in the headlines.

Probably because of the staggering levels of hypocrisy on display by those who declare their faith in public and then have their private behaviours exposed as contravening the tenets of that faith.

See also, anti-gay politicians, anti-materialist liberals and aesthetics who somehow end up collecting

 

[AV1611VET]

Scientists and their predecessors philosophers who proposed Naturalism and Humanism were on the receiving end of persecutions.
Here is a list of ten who died as a result of intolerance showed by religion.

I might add:

Those who killed them, killed them in spite of the Bible; not with respect to It.

Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

2 Thessalonians 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

2 John 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Unlike our faith in a family member, a friend or any other human being, our Christian faith compels us to entrust ourselves “wholly to God and to believe absolutely what he says.

And it is quite convenient for our ego that God is often silent and seems hidden, not holding us accountable for the hubris of we need no one else for guidance, community and accountability.

 

[AV1611VET]

And it is quite convenient for our ego that God is often silent and seems hidden,

When your ego enters into the picture, my friend, you're treading on thin ice.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Stop coming up with toxic vaccines, stop inventing bombs, stop making brain chips, stop making robots, stop the splicing of the DNA & finally stop making rocket ships that go no where.

Nothing about those imply any inherent dishonesty. You may object to them for moral reasons, but dishonest they are not. (OK, the CEO of the brain chip company is both dishonest and immoral, but he is just a businessman.)

As the great poet said, "to live outside the law you must be honest".

 

[Hans Blaster]

Not really since I didn't say that. Hans Blaster did. I said:


You're arguing with me over something I didn't say.

He can't argue with me. I will not respond to anything he writes to or about me.

 

[Apple Sky]

Nothing about those imply any inherent dishonesty.

Being an anti-vaxer & a level earther I have to disagree.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Being an anti-vaxer & a level earther I have to disagree.

And that's just your opinion based on your own Christian morals.