Joe Rogan Drops Eye-Opening Flashback Footage of Trump on 'The View'

[Vambram]

Trump voters that chanted "stop the steal" and rioted in the capitol when he didn't get voted in?

LoL yeah gotta love how you took what I posted and quoted it out of context.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

LoL yeah gotta love how you took what I posted and quoted it out of context.

Took a while to come up with that deflection, but it's playful. Appreciate the grace.

 

[Postvieww]

Of course Trump dishonored McCain's father and almost got Griffin's boss, VP Pence, hanged.

This is gaslighting garbage nobody almost got hanged!

 

[Fantine]

Wow.

Life in America was still sane back then.

Thanks for sharing the video.
Joe Rogan is really coming thru for us these days.

The implications being that Trump hasn't changed--only that our perception has?
It's mostly that his role had change. I can put up with 15 minutes of talk show blather from someone whose TV show I'd never watch.
His candidacy and unfortunate election in 2016 made him leader of the free world. Put into a position where he could do great harm, he met and exceeded our most terrible expectations and fears.
The seeds of his dysfunction were evident in 2011, but we didn't take it seriously.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

We know more now than we did back then. We are less naïve.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It's a bit disconcerting to see posts that indicate having a secure border, an economy that was benefitting the poor and middle classes (as opposed to starving them) and no foreign wars to be some kind of moral evil unleashed...

I see posts like that and I cannot say I hold the same views as the authors as to what constitutes moral right and moral wrong.

Moral evils in my opinion are the race wars the left began; moral evil is starting wars; moral evil is putting your citizens at risk by flooding their cities with foreigners and putting the welfare of selfsame foreigners over and above the welfare of one's own citizens - literally with the citizens tax money - and moral evil is diluting the money and damaging the economy.

I can list moral evils and I don't see any in a Trump presidency...

I also imagine he's getting tired of the constant barrage of hatred, I see his temper sometimes fray but the left wing media and entire political machine has that man in a high pressure, high test environment 24/7 and the lies and hatred are constant and from literally every direction.

I could not have done what that man has done in being able to face it all down and stay on top. I could not have done that at all. There's no way and I'm pretty sure everyone be the same - who could stand having every single word you utter twisted into a lie, your person constantly defamed, insulted and abused, your every sinful mistake in full public view (and we all have them) and turned into much worse things than they probably ever were ..

He has my vote for strongest man I have ever seen under pressure. I couldn't do it and I do respect him for it.

Couple that with excellent policies and for me the man is a shoe in.

Those who think that Trump is the face of evil just might not agree with me (and a great many voters) about what is right and what is wrong at all.

 

[Always in His Presence]

As long as Trump was giving them money -they were buddies - as soon as he took an opposing position he went from hero to zero.

Just like RFK

 

[iluvatar5150]

It's a bit disconcerting to see posts that indicate having a secure border, an economy that was benefitting the poor and middle classes (as opposed to starving them) and no foreign wars to be some kind of moral evil unleashed...

Where are these posts indicating that having a good economy and lack of foreign wars are "some kind of moral evil"?

Moral evils in my opinion are the race wars the left began;

The left didn't start race wars. Race wars started when racial oppression began.

I can list moral evils and I don't see any in a Trump presidency...

Well, yeah, you'd have to open your eyes and not make excuses for his corruption in order to do that.

I don't know how you can look at his response to the 2020 election, his months of lies about election fraud, and he and his team's myriad attempts to, themselves, defraud the country and steal an election through their fraudulent elector scheme, and not see something approaching "evil".

I don't see how you can look at his frequent demonization of immigrants and not see something approaching "evil."

I also imagine he's getting tired of the constant barrage of hatred, I see his temper sometimes fray but the left wing media and entire political machine has that man in a high pressure, high test environment 24/7

What is the presidency if not a "high pressure, high test environment 24/7"? He chose to run for office. You're making excuses for his not being able to handle the pressure.

and the lies and hatred are constant and from literally every direction.

Including his direction.

I could not have done what that man has done in being able to face it all down and stay on top. I could not have done that at all. There's no way and I'm pretty sure everyone be the same - who could stand having every single word you utter twisted into a lie, your person constantly defamed, insulted and abused, your every sinful mistake in full public view (and we all have them) and turned into much worse things than they probably ever were ..

Every president suffers the same scrutiny. How many investigations have House Republicans launched into Biden? How many Benghazi hearings did Hillary deal with?

He has my vote for strongest man I have ever seen under pressure. I couldn't do it and I do respect him for it.

The "strongest man" you've ever seen is the guy who whines incessantly about being put upon?

Couple that with excellent policies and for me the man is a shoe in.

How's that infrastructure plan coming? Or his ACA replacement?

 

[Fantine]

Trump failed his biggest test--COVID-- big time.
We saw a complete intellectual and emotional breakdown as he desperately tried to keep his businesses profitable and open--costing 1 million American lives in the process.
His science-denying, common sense flouting rebellion, tantrum-filled press conferences, etc. showed us that instead of a principled leader we had a business owner worried about empty hotel rooms.
It was a terrifying time to be an American, especially if you lived in a place like Florida or Texas.
We had more per capita deaths than any other developed nation.
We can't afford to let him fail another test--leaving Ukraine to a barbaric Russian empire builder, for example.

 

[Vambram]

Trump voters that chanted "stop the steal" and rioted in the capitol when he didn't get voted in?

An unarmed protest that became violent and never should have happened. However, that protest was in NO WAY at all a real "threat to democracy."

 

[Gregory Thompson]

An unarmed protest that became violent and never should have happened. However, that protest was in NO WAY at all a real "threat to democracy."

Right, Trump who instigated it was the real threat to democracy.

 

[Vambram]

Right, Trump who instigated it was the real threat to democracy.

Trump is not a threat to democracy. He told them to peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Trump is not a threat to democracy. He told them to peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard.

It was his attempt to steal the election that was the threat to democracy.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

It was his attempt to steal the election that was the threat to democracy.

Yes, baselessly claiming it was rigged, sowing doubt in the process. Toxic to our democracy.

 

[Vambram]

It was his attempt to steal the election that was the threat to democracy.

He wasn't trying to steal the election. There were, and still are, very legitimate questions about the ballots and how the votes were counted and not counted in more than a couple of states.

 

[iluvatar5150]

He wasn't trying to steal the election.

His team installed people in several states to act as fake electors in order to submit fraudulent ballots for him in states that he lost. Senator Ron Johnson tried to get some of these fake ballots to Pence just before the electoral votes were counted.

There were, and still are, very legitimate questions about the ballots and how the votes were counted and not counted in more than a couple of states.

There are legal avenues to pursue those concerns - and in virtually all of the cases in which Trump pursued them, he lost because the claims were found to be baseless. Either way, that does not excuse his own attempt at election fraud with regards to the electors.

 

[Vambram]

His team installed people in several states to act as fake electors in order to submit fraudulent ballots for him in states that he lost. Senator Ron Johnson tried to get some of these fake ballots to Pence just before the electoral votes were counted.



There are legal avenues to pursue those concerns - and in virtually all of the cases in which Trump pursued them, he lost because the claims were found to be baseless. Either way, that does not excuse his own attempt at election fraud with regards to the electors.

The courts refused to hear those cases and put those cases before a trial.

 

[Vambram]

The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election

For more than a year, a loosely organized coalition of operatives scrambled to shore up America’s institutions

time.com

There was a conspiracy in 2020. Even Time magazine understands that.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The courts refused to hear those cases and put those cases before a trial.

Because the claims were baseless. If you can't even get to trial, you're doing a bad job of lawyering.

 

[Vambram]

Because the claims were baseless. If you can't even get to trial, you're doing a bad job of lawyering.

Those various claims were not baseless. They should have gone to trial.