Harris campaign now says VP ‘does not support’ electric vehicle mandate in latest flip-flop

[probinson]

The intellectual dishonesty of people surrounding the word "mandate" never ceases to amaze me.

"There's no EV 'mandate'. But you have to to have zero-emission vehicles by 2040 or we'll severely penalize you."

"There's no vaccine 'mandate', but if you refuse, we're going to take away your livelihood and shun you from society."

It doesn't surprise me that governments pull this nonsense. But it still kind of amazes me at the number of people who think this is OK. I guess hearing the word "mandate" causes people to recoil, thus the cognitive dissonance that it's not "technically" a mandate, even though it absolutely is.

 

[wing2000]

"There's no EV 'mandate'. But you have to to have zero-emission vehicles by 2040 or we'll severely penalize you."

March 20, 2024:
"Nearly a year ago, the Environmental Protection Agency proposed a fast ramp-up into EVs — a rule that would have ensured two-thirds of all vehicles sold were electric by the end of this decade. The EPA pumped the brakes on that plan Wednesday.

Instead of pushing automakers to sell more EVs to meet stringent pollution targets, the administration is allowing plug-in hybrids — vehicles that combine gas engines and EV-like batteries — to play a much bigger role in the electric transition.

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EPA's Jeff "Goffman said the agency considered different ways automakers could “mix and match” new vehicle models to meet the standard — by using more efficient gasoline engines, hybrids, plug-in hybrids and battery electric vehicles."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/climate/epa-biden-electric-cars/index.html

 

[probinson]

March 20, 2024:
"Nearly a year ago, the Environmental Protection Agency proposed a fast ramp-up into EVs — a rule that would have ensured two-thirds of all vehicles sold were electric by the end of this decade. The EPA pumped the brakes on that plan Wednesday.

Instead of pushing automakers to sell more EVs to meet stringent pollution targets, the administration is allowing plug-in hybrids — vehicles that combine gas engines and EV-like batteries — to play a much bigger role in the electric transition.

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EPA's Jeff "Goffman said the agency considered different ways automakers could “mix and match” new vehicle models to meet the standard — by using more efficient gasoline engines, hybrids, plug-in hybrids and battery electric vehicles."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/20/climate/epa-biden-electric-cars/index.html

Standard, mandate, it's a blurry line.

 

[essentialsaltes]

C'mon, fess up. How many of you have a pallet of incandescent bulbs in your garage or basement?

 

[probinson]

C'mon, fess up. How many of you have a pallet of incandescent bulbs in your garage or basement?

There isn't a light bulb in my house that isn't LED. Except for maybe in the oven. Not sure about that one.

 

[wing2000]

Standard, mandate, it's a blurry line.

My understanding is the new standards were proposed last year...and the EPA modified them after input from the car companies. So there is no standard yet in place.....

 

[probinson]

My understanding is the new standards were proposed last year...and the EPA modified them after input from the car companies. So there is no standard yet in place.....

More than 5,000 auto dealerships sent multiple letters asking for a reprieve from the "mandate". Their latest update, from March of this year, states the following:

In November of 2023, a letter was sent to President Biden signed by nearly 4,000 dealerships, representing every major auto brand and all fifty states. The letter asked the President to “tap the brakes” on proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulations that would mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric. ​

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In January, over 5,000 dealerships signed on to a second letter, which stated, “It is uncontestable that the combination of fewer tax incentives, a woefully inadequate charging infrastructure, and insufficient consumer demand makes the proposed electric vehicle mandate completely unrealistic.”​

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Today, the EPA released the final greenhouse gas rule for model years 2027-2032. On the positive side, the regulations have been softened in the early years from 2027-2030 in recognition of the slowing growth of EV sales. ​

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However, the regulations still would require an increase in sales of electric vehicles that is far beyond the consumer interest we are experiencing at our dealerships. Despite generous government, manufacturer and dealer incentives, our customers continue to bypass EVs over concerns about affordability, charging infrastructure, performance in cold weather, and resale value. Worse still, the regulations spike in 2031-32 and revert to the unrealistic mandate that essentially requires that two-thirds of all vehicles sold be electric.​

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This EV mandate is not the result of an open Congressional debate. This is unelected Washington bureaucrats dictating what kind of vehicles Americans can buy.​

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We agree with NADA and urge the Administration to track EV sales versus projections and make necessary adjustments to reflect consumer demand.​

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We can take some solace in knowing that the voice of our customers broke through enough to convince the Biden Administration to moderate the mandate in the early years. But sadly the regulation stubbornly hangs on to an EV mandate that is clearly disconnected from the realities of the marketplace and the voice of the customer.​

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Voice of the Customer

Join auto dealers nationwide in signing a letter regarding the proposed regulations on battery-electric vehicles (BEVs). Together, we can emphasize...

evvoiceofthecustomer.com

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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Again, if it’s unacceptable, quit.

There were exceptions (religious). So you can not take a woman's right to choose but you can with vaccinations? OK

 

[Valletta]

I don't see where she ever talks about a mandate or forcing production or sales of EVs.

Kamala said:
"To combat this crisis, our administration has joined other nations in setting, yes, an ambitious but achievable goal: By 2050 at the latest, we will achieve net-zero emissions."

Remarks by Vice President Harris on Electric Vehicle Investments | The White House

Brandywine Maintenance FacilityBrandywine, Maryland THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Secretary Granholm, for all of your years of incredible

www.whitehouse.gov

Kamala was an original co-signer of the 2019 Green New Deal which had set a date of 2040. The reality is that not everyone is going to replace their gas-engine vehicle with an EV unless forced to do so.

 

[Desk trauma]

There were exceptions (religious).

Yes, more special rights for the religious.

So you can not take a woman's right to choose but you can with vaccinations?

An employer could very likely get away with firing women over abortions under morals clauses.

 

[Valletta]

Kamala said:
"To combat this crisis, our administration has joined other nations in setting, yes, an ambitious but achievable goal: By 2050 at the latest, we will achieve net-zero emissions."

Remarks by Vice President Harris on Electric Vehicle Investments | The White House

Brandywine Maintenance FacilityBrandywine, Maryland THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Secretary Granholm, for all of your years of incredible

www.whitehouse.gov

Kamala was an original co-signer of the 2019 Green New Deal which had set a date of 2040. The reality is that not everyone is going to replace their gas-engine vehicle with an EV unless forced to do so.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The reality is that not everyone is going to replace their gas-engine vehicle with an EV unless forced to do so.

Contrary to Vance's statement, Harris has never suggested that.

 

[Valletta]

Not to mention, this bill was proposed during the Trump administration and ended up dying in committee -- it appears to have no ties to Biden/Harris.

The truth is that Kamala Harris was an original co-sponsor.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-resolution/59/cosponsors

 

[Pommer]

The truth is that Kamala Harris was an original co-sponsor.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-resolution/59/cosponsors

Policy decisions aren’t exactly the same if one is a Senator or a candidate for POTUS.
Fail.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

An employer could very likely get away with firing women over abortions under morals clauses.

I am sure there might be a lawsuit...but you would have to prove it and the contract sates that. Those conditions were not under Fed employment. Also the Fed Union would likely come in.

 

[Offline4Better.]

Well, I have been sharing my writing here for a while now, I hope it's been appreciated. Or, at least tolerated.

-- A2SG, though, I do have a book out there...PM if you're curious....

I like your posts, so I would expect to enjoy your writings as well. You can PM me about your book.

 

[probinson]

The reality is that not everyone is going to replace their gas-engine vehicle with an EV unless forced to do so.

I disagree. People will buy EVs when it is beneficial for them to do so. When range anxiety, charging times, and cold-weather performance (along with any other consumer-driven objection) are no longer concerns

The issue I see with EVs (that most US auto manufacturers are experiencing) is that the early-adopter EV market is pretty saturated. Those who WANT EVs have them. Anytime new tech hits the scene, there are always those early-adopters and those on the bleeding edge that will buy in. But that market has pretty much dried up. Now you've got to convince the masses that EVs are beneficial to them, and that's going to be a hard sell.

To wit, an anecdote. Last month, my brother-in-law came to town. He has a Chevy Bolt that he just loves. We live about 90 minutes from Pittsburgh, and he wanted to take his parents (my in-laws) to go sight-seeing, and he wanted to take his car. When he got to Pittsburgh, he realized he needed to recharge. Thus begins my mother-in-law's tale of why she'll never even consider buying an EV. They spent 20 minutes to drive out of their way to the EV charging station that was in the right charging network (because he had credits) and when they got there, the chargers were all occupied except for one. They quickly discovered why; that charger didn't work. So then they had to drive another 15 minutes to another location. And then sat there for about 40 minutes to charge before they could even begin their day of sight-seeing. For those of you keeping score, that's over an hour of (frustrating) inconvenience that was added to that trip because they took an EV. Had they taken my in-law's ICE car (like they wanted to), they wouldn't have even had to stop for gas.

"But that's just one anecdote". I can promise you there are many, many more just like it. And until these things are sufficiently addressed, the masses are not going to buy in to EVs. Once upon a time you had to be put on a waiting list to get an EV. Now they're taking up precious space on auto lots and dealers are struggling to sell them.

While you spent the summer vacationing and traveling, many electric vehicles sat idle on dealer lots. At the end of July, it took dealers an average of 81 days — nearly three months — to sell the EVs that arrived in their showrooms, according to days-to-turn data from Edmunds.​

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That's up 75% from the same month a year ago, and a much longer stay on dealer lots compared to the industry average of 57 days before being sold.​

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It's a good time to get a deal on an EV as they sit around on dealer lots - Autoblog

The longer EVs sit around on dealer lots, the cheaper they get for customers.

www.autoblog.com

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[Hans Blaster]

Sure but this is a vaccination. A mandatory vaccination.

Employer doesn't want employees spreading disease in the workplace and interfering with the normal course of business.

 

[probinson]

Employer doesn't want employees spreading disease in the workplace and interfering with the normal course of business.

It was known, and is now common knowledge, that vaccination does not stop the spread of COVID.

Got anything else?

 

[RoBo1988]

Kamala was an original co-signer of the 2019 Green New Deal

The Green New deal that wants to pay people unwilling to work.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/02/07/ocasio-cortezs-green-new-deal-offers-economic-security-for-those-unwilling-to-work.html