Why the 2024 Election will start a Civil War

[Wolseley]

If you've been watching the things that have been happening in this country since 2016, then you have undoubtedly detected a feeling of unease, of pressure building in certain segments of our society, of a deep-seated, yet psychologically-avoided notion that things just can't go on like this.

Well, if you've felt that way, you're not crazy; you're absolutely right. The young fellow in this video puts it all together in a way that makes sense of it, in a reasoned, easily understood manner. The horrific thing is that he's probably right. We are most likely not going to make it to 2028, much less 2032; the bubble is going to pop. And there are plenty of foreigners ready and waiting to come in and pick the scraps of the wreckage after the event. I won't live through it, for a number of reasons, and maybe a lot of you won't, either; but it's a sure bet that our grandchildren (if they survive) will grow up in a vastly different world than the one we are now inhabiting.

One of the points he stresses in this video is that massive armed wars usually happen when most people are totally unaware that they can happen; although the signs and omens are there, people usually don't pick up on them, because they're quite frankly just too busy trying to live their lives, keeping food on the table and a roof over their heads. Then, the war just suddenly blooms, overnight, and you wake up, Twilight Zone-like, in a completely different plane of existence.

This is a long watch, but I highly recommend watching the whole thing, carefully, with as many pauses and re-winds as you need to absorb it all. God save us all.

 

[Sword of the Lord]

I recently posted on another thread here that we look back fondly on our fathers who rose up, fought, killed, went to war, and overthrew governments. We celebrate them. From America to Europe and beyond. Nowadays they have programmed and indoctrinated people to not only believe this can't happen anymore, but that it's horrible and evil. Of course. Weak, effeminate, indoctrinated men don't fight back, and that's great for the powers to be. You're all delusional who believe this can't happen or that it's horrible if it happens. This is necessary sometimes, and it has happened at every point in human history. We aren't exempt just because you have Netflix, McDonald's, and antibiotics. Here's the thing about the 2nd amendment: Most people nowadays view it as a right to self defense, to have a gun in case of something like a home break in. No, sweetheart. The main propose and text of the amendment is to fight and overthrow a tyrannical government. They changed what it means to the mass population. To those who didn't fall for the change in meaning, they did something more sinister: They made you a terrorist. To even think about fighting and overthrowing your (tyrannical) government means you're a terrorist and you will be killed or imprisoned. Society will hate you because that's what they've programmed you to think. You are a criminal. Thus erasing the amendment without having to actually erase it, making you still believe it exists because the mass population is dumb enough to believe it. Christians have fought righteous fights for centuries upon centuries. Thinking you can pray it all away and be a passive little mouse is the most pathetic example of manhood and humanity. These people are as indoctrinated and delusional as the rest.

 

[mourningdove~]

You're all delusional who believe this can't happen or that it's horrible if it happens.

A term I found helpful to understand:

"Normalcy Bias"

Normalcy bias, or normality bias, is a cognitive bias which leads people to disbelieve or minimize threat warnings. Consequently, individuals underestimate the likelihood of a disaster, when it might affect them, and its potential adverse effects. The normalcy bias causes many people to prepare inadequately for natural disasters, market crashes, and calamities caused by human error. About 80% of people reportedly display normalcy bias during a disaster.

The normalcy bias can manifest in response to warnings about disasters and actual catastrophes. Such events can range in scale from incidents such as traffic collisions to global catastrophic risk. The event may involve social constructionism phenomena such as loss of money in market crashes, or direct threats to continuity of life: as in natural disasters like a tsunami or violence in war.

Normalcy bias has also been called analysis paralysis, the ostrich effect, and by first responders, the negative panic. The opposite of normalcy bias is overreaction, or worst-case scenario bias, in which small deviations from normality are dealt with as signals of an impending catastrophe.

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Effects​

About 80% of people reportedly display normalcy bias in disasters. Normalcy bias has been described as "one of the most dangerous biases we have". The lack of preparation for disasters often leads to inadequate shelter, supplies, and evacuation plans. Even when all these things are in place, individuals with a normalcy bias often refuse to leave their homes.

Normalcy bias can cause people to drastically underestimate the effects of the disaster. Therefore, people think that they will be safe even though information from the radio, television, or neighbors gives them reasons to believe there is a risk. The normalcy bias causes a cognitive dissonance that people then must work to eliminate. Some manage to eliminate it by refusing to believe new warnings coming in and refusing to evacuate (maintaining the normalcy bias), while others eliminate the dissonance by escaping the danger. The possibility that some people may refuse to evacuate causes significant problems in disaster planning.

Normalcy bias - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[mourningdove~]

If you've been watching the things that have been happening in this country since 2016, then you have undoubtedly detected a feeling of unease, of pressure building in certain segments of our society, of a deep-seated, yet psychologically-avoided notion that things just can't go on like this.

Well, if you've felt that way, you're not crazy; you're absolutely right. The young fellow in this video puts it all together in a way that makes sense of it, in a reasoned, easily understood manner. The horrific thing is that he's probably right. We are most likely not going to make it to 2028, much less 2032; the bubble is going to pop. And there are plenty of foreigners ready and waiting to come in and pick the scraps of the wreckage after the event. I won't live through it, for a number of reasons, and maybe a lot of you won't, either; but it's a sure bet that our grandchildren (if they survive) will grow up in a vastly different world than the one we are now inhabiting.

One of the points he stresses in this video is that massive armed wars usually happen when most people are totally unaware that they can happen; although the signs and omens are there, people usually don't pick up on them, because they're quite frankly just too busy trying to live their lives, keeping food on the table and a roof over their heads. Then, the war just suddenly blooms, overnight, and you wake up, Twilight Zone-like, in a completely different plane of existence.

This is a long watch, but I highly recommend watching the whole thing, carefully, with as many pauses and re-winds as you need to absorb it all. God save us all.

Thank you for sharing this.
And I will be watching it later today, when I feel strong enough to deal with it.

It is hard emotionally, for me to think of our Country in a civil war.
But I do believe it is possible.

No matter which candidate 'wins' the election, the other side is going to be very unhappy about it.
So I just don't see peace in America anytime soon, but we can pray for it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

If you've been watching the things that have been happening in this country since 2016, then you have undoubtedly detected a feeling of unease, of pressure building in certain segments of our society, of a deep-seated, yet psychologically-avoided notion that things just can't go on like this.

Well, if you've felt that way, you're not crazy; you're absolutely right. The young fellow in this video puts it all together in a way that makes sense of it, in a reasoned, easily understood manner. The horrific thing is that he's probably right. We are most likely not going to make it to 2028, much less 2032; the bubble is going to pop. And there are plenty of foreigners ready and waiting to come in and pick the scraps of the wreckage after the event. I won't live through it, for a number of reasons, and maybe a lot of you won't, either; but it's a sure bet that our grandchildren (if they survive) will grow up in a vastly different world than the one we are now inhabiting.

One of the points he stresses in this video is that massive armed wars usually happen when most people are totally unaware that they can happen; although the signs and omens are there, people usually don't pick up on them, because they're quite frankly just too busy trying to live their lives, keeping food on the table and a roof over their heads. Then, the war just suddenly blooms, overnight, and you wake up, Twilight Zone-like, in a completely different plane of existence.

This is a long watch, but I highly recommend watching the whole thing, carefully, with as many pauses and re-winds as you need to absorb it all. God save us all.

Despite his mere 22 years this guy is tuned in to a bunch of seemingly relevant facts. I think he's probably right. I have come to the same conclusion based on observing the increasing levels of political vitriol. It's gonna happen. The cork is gonna pop and the fizzy stuff is gonna get all over everything.

The trigger? There could be several at this point, and all that means is it is inevitable. One thing or another launches it.

The most likely trigger is if Trump wins the election. And Trump doesn't have to do ANYTHING but win the election. The left goes into a spittle flecked nutty that will be thousands of times worse than anything that happened January 6th 2021. They have already telegraphed this by telling us democracy is over if Trump wins. It will go from the usual legal challenges, protests at the courts, invasion of election commissions destroying ballots, general strikes, arson by mostly peaceful protesters, sabotage of bridges and infrastructure, murders, and general mayhem. Our fragile supply chains will be broken and there will be some hunger. Churches will be burned. All sorts of things that are not properly leftist enough will burn. Stores will burn. This won't divide by states, as most states are close enough to an even split. It will end up neighborhood against neighborhood and neighbor against neighbor. Of course this will produce vigilantist responses, which will bring even more violence. And marshal law. And even more restrictions on civil liberties. And more disintegration and government collapse. It will be nasty. It will be Beruit or Northern Ireland.

The other likely trigger is a Harris victory, with accusations of voter fraud, unprovable as the folks still in power will just shut down any communication other than the Party Line. And some people will catch on to what's happening but most will learn that it's not smart to have bad opinions of Mother Government. We will lose our freedom to elect our own government. This will be less bloody but we will transition from a democracy to a Democratic People's Socialist Soviet Republic quickly enough, with lots of re-education camps for all of the 'Basket of Deplorables'* (Trademark held by Hillary Clinton). A resistance will form and it will be a long slog to fight against an entrenched deep state. The most likely scenario will be coups and insurrections by the military or individual states bucking the federal imposition. If enough states rebel and declare independence there will be a more classical civil war. If not enough do that then the dictatorship wins.

Before the election we only need one big trigger, like an assassination, and things go zero to sixty in a week. The election will be it's own trigger. I think we have only months left of a democracy as we knew it. I don't trust Trump to see us through it. For one thing, the hatred is too advanced for him to do anything about it. I trust the Democrats to bring us right into the middle of it and park us in it.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Thinking you can pray it all away and be a passive little mouse is the most pathetic example of manhood and humanity. These people are as indoctrinated and delusional as the rest.

We pray. It's what we do as Catholics. Yet we have a Just War teaching which allows for some sorts of violence when necessary. Let us see what we can do by non-violent means first. And that does not mean being passive little mice. It means exerting power in ways that people don't die.

 

[mourningdove~]

Before the election we only need one big trigger, like an assassination, and things go zero to sixty in a week.

If Trump had died last month, I believe we'd probably be in the throes of that civil war right now.
Least, that's what many informed people are saying.

God not only spared Trump, but He has also given us all more time ...
this I truly do believe.

 

[chevyontheriver]

If Trump had died last month, I believe we'd probably be in the throes of that civil war right now.
Least, that's what many informed people are saying.

Maybe so. It did raise stakes if there is another one. And I'm not liking the vibes I get out of the Secret Service. Almost seems like they were willing to let the guy kill Trump.

God not only spared Trump, but He has also given us all more time ...
this I truly do believe.

I think Trump was saved for the sake of his own soul. But then I think I agree that his survival gave us more time. How much more time?

 

[mourningdove~]

I won't live through it, for a number of reasons, and maybe a lot of you won't, either; but it's a sure bet that our grandchildren (if they survive) will grow up in a vastly different world than the one we are now inhabiting.

Being unarmed, I don't expect I'll live thru it either.
(I live in a very congested city neighborhood.)

Do you think every household should own a gun?

 

[mourningdove~]

Maybe so. It did raise stakes if there is another one. And I'm not liking the vibes I get out of the Secret Service. Almost seems like they were willing to let the guy kill Trump.

I think Trump was saved for the sake of his own soul. But then I think I agree that his survival gave us more time. How much more time?

Honestly, Chevy ... I think life in America could 'flip on a dime'.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Being unarmed, I don't expect I'll live thru it either.
(I live in a very congested city neighborhood.)

Do you think every household should own a gun?

I don't know that being armed actually enhances anything for personal safety. For one thing, unless you have a gun that is 'off the record' the government may come and violently take the gun away anyhow.

But some guns for an actual revolution or counter-revolution makes sense in a Jeffersonian kind of way. I don't think they would be enhancing my personal safety though.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Honestly, Chevy ... I think life in America could 'flip on a dime'.

Can anyone honestly tell me that we don't deserve any judgement that befalls us?

 

[RileyG]

I fear for our future...I can only pray for our safety.

 

[Wolseley]

Being unarmed, I don't expect I'll live thru it either.
(I live in a very congested city neighborhood.)

Do you think every household should own a gun?

I advocate for everyone being armed, not just one per household. But ultimately, the choice is up to each individual.

In my case, because of my various medical conditions (hypertension, Type II diabetes, PTSD, etc.), I am literally dependent on prescription drugs in order to remain alive. If anything happens to interrupt the flow of those medications to my doorstep, like a continental or global war, once my stash runs out, I am a dead duck. I'll last maybe a month or so, and then I'll step out with a cerebral embolism or a myocardial infarction, and that's it. Goodnight Irene.

I don't know that being armed actually enhances anything for personal safety. For one thing, unless you have a gun that is 'off the record' the government may come and violently take the gun away anyhow.

I don't expect that my 30.06 or my AR-15 is going to be enough to take on the 101st Airborne, should it come to that. But they might be enough to protect my family from thugs, ruffians, looters, etc., that might show up to harm or kill me and mine, and rob us of our food and possessions.

But some guns for an actual revolution or counter-revolution makes sense in a Jeffersonian kind of way. I don't think they would be enhancing my personal safety though.

Possibly. A lot of variables in play with this scenario.

 

[Lady Bug]

Well, if you look at the discord between opposing political sides on social media (and in real life interactions), I think we already are in a civil war, mentally - we just aren't going on the physical battlefield over it yet.

 

[mourningdove~]

I don't know that being armed actually enhances anything for personal safety.

I hear what you're saying. And in my case, I don't know how well I'd handle a gun.

My concern is living in an older, depressed city neighborhood ... where robbing and looting is sure to happen quickly. My husband's families lived here for decades but some didn't move away as the area declined. LOL ... I have 'Ring" cameras and "ADT" on my house, but that probably 'signals' to looters that I don't have a gun!!! And if there is a major power outage ... well, there goes my 'security'!

... I guess I will be continuing to trust in God and His angels to protect me.
Thus far in life, they have done a very good job!

 

[mourningdove~]

I fear for our future...I can only pray for our safety.

I saw this on my friend's Facebook page today.
Made me think of your post ...

 

[mourningdove~]

In my case, because of my various medical conditions (hypertension, Type II diabetes, PTSD, etc.), I am literally dependent on prescription drugs in order to remain alive. If anything happens to interrupt the flow of those medications to my doorstep, like a continental or global war, once my stash runs out, I am a dead duck. I'll last maybe a month or so, and then I'll step out with a cerebral embolism or a myocardial infarction, and that's it. Goodnight Irene.

I hadn't thought about all this, but I would have been thinking about it, if my husband was still alive.

With his brittle diabetes, there were always emergencies. We tried to stockpile insulin, but in no way could we stockpile enough 'sweets' to control his sugar when it went low. We dreaded the thought of an extended national emergency, and yet, he always had faith that God would take care of him. And it seems that God always did!

 

[chevyontheriver]

I hear what you're saying. And in my case, I don't know how well I'd handle a gun.

My concern is living in an older, depressed city neighborhood ... where robbing and looting is sure to happen quickly. My husband's families lived here for decades but some didn't move away as the area declined. LOL ... I have 'Ring" cameras and "ADT" on my house, but that probably 'signals' to looters that I don't have a gun!!! And if there is a major power outage ... well, there goes my 'security'!

... I guess I will be continuing to trust in God and His angels to protect me.
Thus far in life, they have done a very good job!

If you do get a gun be sure to practice with it regularly. Take some sort of safety class. A guy saying 'I have a gun' may not be enough. I doubt if that scares most hardened criminals. Or drugged out looters. Being able to shoot the gun out of an assailant's hand may be enough and not get you with a murder charge against you. Getting yourself shot is a biggie. Facing a murder rap is also a biggie. You would have to be confident enough to use only necessary force to protect lives. Killing for mere property could be legal trouble for you. And the crooks know that.

 

[mourningdove~]

@Wolseley

When it comes to self-defense options, any thoughts on the Bryna?
A gun, but not exactly a gun ... designed to temporarily stop the attacker, giving one time to escape.
(I've been hearing Sean Hannity promote these.)

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