A Rising Consciousness of Republicans, Who Will Vote for Kamala Harris

[Stephen3141]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/04/trump-white-house-kamala-harris-election.html

Under the MAGA tea party Republicans under Trump, many moderate
Republicans are finding that they no longer have a party that holds to their
moderat middle values.

It would be a good strategic move for the Democratic Party to emphasize more
moderate middle values, and be willing to cooperate with many Republicans
who are interested in voting for a government that will cooperate in Congress,
to get business done.

Donald Trump does not seem to have any loyalty to his old advisors, and close
friends. Increasingly, this means that moderate Republicans, cannot expect
Trump to be loyal to them. Trump will change his opinions, whenever he thinks
that he can gain a few points in the polls. This is one reason why his changing
policies, are so unstable.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/04/trump-white-house-kamala-harris-election.html

Under the MAGA tea party Republicans under Trump, many moderate
Republicans are finding that they no longer have a party that holds to their
moderat middle values.

It would be a good strategic move for the Democratic Party to emphasize more
moderate middle values, and be willing to cooperate with many Republicans
who are interested in voting for a government that will cooperate in Congress,
to get business done.

Donald Trump does not seem to have any loyalty to his old advisors, and close
friends. Increasingly, this means that moderate Republicans, cannot expect
Trump to be loyal to them. Trump will change his opinions, whenever he thinks
that he can gain a few points in the polls. This is one reason why his changing
policies, are so unstable.

RFK jr is a democrat who's values are closer to moderate Republicans.

He said on Dr Phil, the Democrat Party is not the party of FDR or JFK and
neither is the Republican Party the part of Ronald Reagan.


Tulsi Gabbard said essentially the same thing when she left the Democrat Party.

 

[The Barbarian]

RFK jr is a democrat who's values are closer to moderate Republicans.

He said on Dr Phil, the Democrat Party is not the party of Teddy Roosevelt or JFK and
neither is the Republican Party the part of Ronald Reagan.

Teddy Roosevelt was a republican. But he's otherwise right. Roosevelt was much more inclined to the sort of things we see in social democrat states with government intervention, than today's democrats. And Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan would have tossed Donald Trump out the window.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Teddy Roosevelt was a republican. But he's otherwise right. Roosevelt was much more inclined to the sort of things we see in social democrat states with government intervention, than today's democrats. And Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan would have tossed Donald Trump out the window.

Right, I meant FDR not TR.

 

[The Barbarian]

Right, I meant FDR not TR.

I figured so. But TR would also have had little patience with anyone like Trump.

 

[Merrill]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/04/trump-white-house-kamala-harris-election.html

Under the MAGA tea party Republicans under Trump, many moderate
Republicans are finding that they no longer have a party that holds to their
moderat middle values.

It would be a good strategic move for the Democratic Party to emphasize more
moderate middle values, and be willing to cooperate with many Republicans
who are interested in voting for a government that will cooperate in Congress,
to get business done.

Donald Trump does not seem to have any loyalty to his old advisors, and close
friends. Increasingly, this means that moderate Republicans, cannot expect
Trump to be loyal to them. Trump will change his opinions, whenever he thinks
that he can gain a few points in the polls. This is one reason why his changing
policies, are so unstable.

Does Trump change his opinions and positions frequently? Yes, to some degree. On some issues he has been consistent, and on others he has flip-flopped, or hasn't delivered

but how would Kamala Harris be better in this regard? She has routinely flip-flopped on key issues (healthcare, fracking, etc.)

Now I absolutely agree that the Democrats should have moved to the center and tried to capture the moderate middle-class, but they instead went hard-left with Harris and Walz

according to ontheissues and other sites, Harris and Walz are among the 5-6 most left-wing politicians in the US --right there with Bernie Sanders

it isn't the party of Bill Clinton anymore --it has gone full-woke, and full-crazy

what this ticket would offer any moderate or conservative is completely beyond me

 

[The Barbarian]

it isn't the party of Bill Clinton anymore --it has gone full-woke, and full-crazy

"Woke"seems to be Trumpspeak for anything the far right doesn't understand or fears.

 

[iarwain]

what this ticket would offer any moderate or conservative is completely beyond me

This is essentially the crux of the matter. I can't imagine any real Republican voting for Harris/Walz. Trump has his issues, but to vote for Harris/Walz would be voting for everything you are against. I don't vote for personality, I vote for ideology.

 

[The Barbarian]

This is essentially the crux of the matter. I can't imagine any real Republican voting for Harris/Walz. Trump has his issues, but to vote for Harris/Walz would be voting for everything you are against. I don't vote for personality, I vote for ideology.

If Trump continues to slide in the polls it might be pointless to argue about it.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I figured so. But TR would also have had little patience with anyone like Trump.

TR was a phony himself. I had respect for him until I read the book, "The Imperial Cruise," by James Bradley.
TR was into presenting false images of himself. In fact, some of his big game hunting trips were actually
photos taken in a New York studio.

He was partly responsible for WWII that his cousin FDR would have to deal with, when he sent his
sister and congressmen to Japan and gave them the green light on invading the Pacific Nations like
China, whom TR had no use for.

 

[9Rock9]

RFK jr is a democrat who's values are closer to moderate Republicans.

He said on Dr Phil, the Democrat Party is not the party of FDR or JFK and
neither is the Republican Party the part of Ronald Reagan.


Tulsi Gabbard said essentially the same thing when she left the Democrat Party.

One of

Does Trump change his opinions and positions frequently? Yes, to some degree. On some issues he has been consistent, and on others he has flip-flopped, or hasn't delivered

but how would Kamala Harris be better in this regard? She has routinely flip-flopped on key issues (healthcare, fracking, etc.)

Now I absolutely agree that the Democrats should have moved to the center and tried to capture the moderate middle-class, but they instead went hard-left with Harris and Walz

according to ontheissues and other sites, Harris and Walz are among the 5-6 most left-wing politicians in the US --right there with Bernie Sanders

it isn't the party of Bill Clinton anymore --it has gone full-woke, and full-crazy

what this ticket would offer any moderate or conservative is completely beyond me

I held out hope that after Trump's surprise win in 2016, the Democratic Party would have tried to win back the rural working class. Alas, it was not to be.

If the Democrats were more like RFK Jr or Tulsi Gabbard, then I'd label myself as a Blue Dog instead of an independent and former Republican.

 

[RoBo1988]

"Woke"seems to be Trumpspeak for anything the far right doesn't understand or fears.

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Some examples please, of how Democrats are "empathetic, reasonable, knowledgeable, educated, or enlightened"

 

[The Barbarian]

Some examples please, of how Democrats are "empathetic, reasonable, knowledgeable, educated, or enlightened"

That wasn't the claim. Just noting that people who have trouble with those words, often use "woke" to cover for it.

 

[The Barbarian]

He was partly responsible for WWII that his cousin FDR would have to deal with, when he sent his
sister and congressmen to Japan and gave them the green light on invading the Pacific Nations like
China, whom TR had no use for.

Interesting. You know that TR was greatly resented by some factions in Japan, for his perceived favoritism to Russia, in the Portsmith Conference ending the Russo-Japanese War?

https://www.jaas.gr.jp/jjas/pdf/2016/03_MINOHARA.pdf

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Interesting. You know that TR was greatly resented by some factions in Japan, for his perceived favoritism to Russia, in the Portsmith Conference ending the Russo-Japanese War?

https://www.jaas.gr.jp/jjas/pdf/2016/03_MINOHARA.pdf

Factions, not the government overall.
According to the author, James Bradley in his book, "The Imperial Cruise," TR gave Japan the green light
to invade the Asian nations like Korea and China. He saw the Japanese as the better race in the Far East.
He of course saw the white man as superior to other races.

 

[BPPLEE]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/04/trump-white-house-kamala-harris-election.html

Under the MAGA tea party Republicans under Trump, many moderate
Republicans are finding that they no longer have a party that holds to their
moderat middle values.

It would be a good strategic move for the Democratic Party to emphasize more
moderate middle values, and be willing to cooperate with many Republicans
who are interested in voting for a government that will cooperate in Congress,
to get business done.

Donald Trump does not seem to have any loyalty to his old advisors, and close
friends. Increasingly, this means that moderate Republicans, cannot expect
Trump to be loyal to them. Trump will change his opinions, whenever he thinks
that he can gain a few points in the polls. This is one reason why his changing
policies, are so unstable.

Kamala has reversed just about every position she had in order to get points.

 

[The Barbarian]

According to the author, James Bradley in his book, "The Imperial Cruise," TR gave Japan the green light
to invade the Asian nations like Korea and China. He saw the Japanese as the better race in the Far East.
He of course saw the white man as superior to other races.

But TR apparently withheld some important information about Russian intentions in the negotiations, that cost the Japanese some territory as a result. He supported Japan against other Asian nations, but apparently not against European ones.

 

[Francis 1928]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/04/trump-white-house-kamala-harris-election.html

Under the MAGA tea party Republicans under Trump, many moderate
Republicans are finding that they no longer have a party that holds to their
moderat middle values.

It would be a good strategic move for the Democratic Party to emphasize more
moderate middle values, and be willing to cooperate with many Republicans
who are interested in voting for a government that will cooperate in Congress,
to get business done.

Donald Trump does not seem to have any loyalty to his old advisors, and close
friends. Increasingly, this means that moderate Republicans, cannot expect
Trump to be loyal to them. Trump will change his opinions, whenever he thinks
that he can gain a few points in the polls. This is one reason why his changing
policies, are so unstable.

I heard the other day that there are republicans(rhinos at best) are backing Harris.A true republican would never back Harris ,not even a rhino(republicans by name only )A true republican would work up and independent,with a rt leaning mentality to run ,or not vote at all on election day.A vote for Harris means a vote for antisemetic values .It means other foreign leaders, including our enemies will see us as weak.It means that our tax dollars will go to other countries .They want us to pay for kids college education, so that they can learn to be more liberal and that antisemitism is ok.So I dont believe there are true republicans backing Harris.That would make them not republicans at all. Besides shes going to lose very badly in yhe electorial college ,regardless of what liberal polls say .

 

[The Barbarian]

So I dont believe there are true republicans backing Harris.That would make them not republicans at all.

No true Scotsman fallacy example
Person 1: No Scotsman puts sugar in his porridge!
Person 2: But my friend Duncan likes sugar with his porridge.
Person 1: Yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar in his porridge.

 

[Stephen3141]

I heard the other day that there are republicans(rhinos at best) are backing Harris.A true republican would never back Harris ,not even a rhino(republicans by name only )A true republican would work up and independent,with a rt leaning mentality to run ,or not vote at all on election day.A vote for Harris means a vote for antisemetic values .It means other foreign leaders, including our enemies will see us as weak.It means that our tax dollars will go to other countries .They want us to pay for kids college education, so that they can learn to be more liberal and that antisemitism is ok.So I dont believe there are true republicans backing Harris.That would make them not republicans at all. Besides shes going to lose very badly in yhe electorial college ,regardless of what liberal polls say .

In a short reply,

Many moderate Republicans do not accept the extreme assertions and slogans
that Trump regularly repeats in campaigning.

Moderate Republicans look carefully at the dozens of lawsuits that Trump (or his
supporters have filed), claiming massive fraud in the 2020 election. And they see
that Trump cannot come up with any significant and relevant evidence of fraud.

Yet, Trump continues to spread the Big Lie that the Department of Justice, and so,
the fair rule of law in America, is totally corrupt and politicized. There is no evidence
for this.

Moderate Republicans value protecting the fair rule of law in America, over
holding to any specific policiy point of the 2 big political parties. This is not
a value/motivation that many in the MAGA movement recognize.

These concerns of moderate Republicans, are not "liberal". They are basic
concerns of all American citizens, who want a life of peace and prosperity.