Agenda 47

[Hammster]

have a nice day Hammster.

My granddaughter was born last night. It will be excellent.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Oh we get it.....once the Democrats started focussing on Project 2025 earlier this summer, Trump suddenly knows nothing about it.

That would indicate that before the Democrats started focusing on it Trump knew about it.

All you need now is proof. Knowing the organization it came from doesn’t mean he knew about it.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Trump disavows knowledge of Project 2025...
But Agenda 47, the Republican platform on his website, is cut from the same cloth as Project 2025.
There will be a Democratic platform after the convention.
Study both.
Campaign speeches are sometimes very short on details.
Agenda 47, what Trump/Vance are running on, has me running in the opposite direction.

Agenda 47 - Wikipedia

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Item #9 is the Trojan horse. Beware.

End the weaponization of government against the american people

 

[Always in His Presence]

Item #9 is the Trojan horse. Beware.

End the weaponization of government against the american people

Is that from the Democrats boogeyman Project 2025 or actually from Trump? The two are different.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Trump disavows knowledge of Project 2025...
But Agenda 47, the Republican platform on his website, is cut from the same cloth as Project 2025.
There will be a Democratic platform after the convention.
Study both.
Campaign speeches are sometimes very short on details.
Agenda 47, what Trump/Vance are running on, has me running in the opposite direction.

Agenda 47 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

All of that sounds great to me.

 

[Fantine]

The document was crudely and unprofessional written.
It made a lot of promises--to seniors, for example--with no specifics, promises that Republicans have tried to contradict for decades.

 

[FenderTL5]

Is that from the Democrats boogeyman Project 2025 or actually from Trump? The two are different.

That would be Item 9 here.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The document was crudely and unprofessional written.
It made a lot of promises--to seniors, for example--with no specifics, promises that Republicans have tried to contradict for decades.

How it was written has very little to do with if the policies themselves are sound policies. This is true even if I agree that it was poorly written.

 

[Larniavc]

There's a difference between disavowing something and disavowing knowledge of something. That seems to be the distinction here.

This is the very definition of mental gymnastics.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Is that from the Democrats boogeyman Project 2025 or actually from Trump? The two are different.

From Trump's website. Agenda 47, it's #9.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Item #9 is the Trojan horse. Beware.

End the weaponization of government against the american people

How so?

 

[wing2000]

That would indicate that before the Democrats started focusing on it Trump knew about it.

All you need now is proof. Knowing the organization it came from doesn’t mean he knew about it.

...no amount of information is going to convince you otherwise.

As discussed in previous threads, many of the folks who worked on Project 2025 hailed directly from the Trump Admininistration. His VP nominee wrote the foreword for Kevin D. Roberts' upcoming book titled Dawn's Early Light, which is associated with Project 2025.

 

[FenderTL5]

...no amount of information is going to convince you otherwise.

As discussed in previous threads, many of the folks who worked on Project 2025 hailed directly from the Trump Admininistration. His VP nominee wrote the foreword for Kevin D. Roberts' upcoming book titled Dawn's Early Light, which is associated with Project 2025.

Then again, maybe Trump and his supporters really are ignorant of the underlying source of their vague bullet points.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Then again, maybe Trump and his supporters really are ignorant of the underlying source of their vague bullet points.

or maybe we like those bullet points and that is what his supporters are looking for in the government. I have NO issue none zero with any of those points. In fact some of them I really really like.

 

[wing2000]

Then again, maybe Trump and his supporters really are ignorant of the underlying source of their vague bullet points.

...and some are quite aware, but quite intentionally parrot the campaign's talking points.

 

[FenderTL5]

or maybe we like those bullet points and that is what his supporters are looking for in the government. I have NO issue none zero with any of those points. In fact some of them I really really like.

Of course. The bullet points are fashioned an a way that disagreement sounds unreasonable. However, the bullet point does not enumerate the actual policy.
This line of discussion began with this comment:

The document was crudely and unprofessional written.
It made a lot of promises--to seniors, for example--with no specifics, promises that Republicans have tried to contradict for decades

Here's a specific example:
14 Fight for and protect social security and medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age.

What is the policy procedure to achieve this claim? iow How?

 

[Fantine]

How it was written has very little to do with if the policies themselves are sound policies. This is true even if I agree that it was poorly written.

Promises not policies.
Saying he will never change Social Security or Medicare seems disingenuous when Rrpublicans have been trying to hack away at both for decades...and when Project 2025 wants to make Medicare "advantage" plans---far inferior to traditional Medicare with a supplement---the default.
Medicare Advantage gatekeepers decide what patients can or cannot get. In other words, the "death squads" Republicans screamed about during the ACA fight.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Of course. The bullet points are fashioned an a way that disagreement sounds unreasonable. However, the bullet point does not enumerate the actual policy.
This line of discussion began with this comment:

Here's a specific example:
14 Fight for and protect social security and medicare with no cuts, including no changes to the retirement age.

What is the policy procedure to achieve this claim? iow How?

One thing quit taking money out of social security would be a start. You could also impose an income limit on social security ( note that the limit could be high say being worth two million or more, the number was one that I picked I am not suggesting that that number would be the one settled on. Keep in mind social security was meant to be a PART of retirement not one's only income in it. I am not saying that social security should not provide more money I am saying that if you plan o live off social security and nothing else you should expect a decrease in your quality of life as A it was not designed for that and B it sure as heck was not designed for people to be living off of it for 10 and 20 years sometimes longer.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Promises not policies.
Saying he will never change Social Security or Medicare seems disingenuous when Rrpublicans have been trying to hack away at both for decades...and when Project 2025 wants to make Medicare "advantage" plans---far inferior to traditional Medicare with a supplement---the default.
Medicare Advantage gatekeepers decide what patients can or cannot get. In other words, the "death squads" Republicans screamed about during the ACA fight.

Wait so you are saying that the adanage plans are telling you you can not get treatment OR that they will not PAY for it? There is a difference. If the insurance ccompany says we will not PAY for something that is not saying that you cannot have it that is saying that they will nt provide it. Heck even with co-pays which I happen to know Medicare has if you go in there and seek treatment and Medicare says we will pay for 80% of it well if you cannot come up with the other 20% either by making arrangments ( which most doctors will do, having a secondary insurance or either just coming directly out of pocket you still may not receive the treatment ( particularly if it is considered in any way, shape or form "optional".

 

[Maria Billingsley]

How so?

Simple.
Abraham Lincoln said, "Democracy is the government of the people, by the people and for the people".
To say that government is a weapon against the people is a slippery slope and a Trojan horse in Trump politics.