Eleven children and two adults have been knifed at a Taylor Swift-themed event in Southport

[iluvatar5150]

I don't know 100% for sure what's true or not. I need verifiable evidence saying the 17 year olds name is not Ali-Al-Shakati... For sure.

I need to know his identity isn't simply being covered up for legal reasons, being a minor.

You didn’t need verifiable evidence to repeat his name. Why do you need “verifiable evidence” to retract it?

 

[JosephZ]

I need to know his identity isn't simply being covered up for legal reasons, being a minor.

This is exactly why the attacker's name hasn't been made public; because the attacker is a minor and for legal reasons. It's standard procedure not to give out the name of a minor suspected of committing a crime in the UK. Any source on the internet that names the attacker, including "Channel 3," is going to be wrong.

 

[Landon Caeli]

This is exactly why the attacker's name hasn't been made public; because the attacker is a minor and for legal reasons. It's standard procedure not to give out the name of a minor suspected of committing a crime in the UK. Any source on the internet that names the attacker, including "Channel 3," is going to be wrong.

If the minor's name was exposed, would the government lie, and say it's not the real name, to protect hia identity? Also, why is a 17 year old not being tried as an adult in such a horrific crime?

 

[Pommer]

If the minor's name was exposed, would the government lie, and say it's not the real name, to protect hia identity? Also, why is a 17 year old not being tried as an adult in such a horrific crime?

Other countries are allowed to make their own rules with regards to suspected criminals, and we have to respect that right, even though we cannot know the name of the person who allegedly committed these killings, I’m sure some people will hold them up in prayer, (as they’ve been commanded to do).

 

[essentialsaltes]

If the minor's name was exposed

Exposed by whom? A witness who identified him on the scene? The press could run with that as a story.

How did Channel 3 source its information (which it has since retracted)?

 

[RileyG]

I'm so tired of violence. How very sad.

 

[vespasia]

The suspect was born in the UK in Cardiff. He is under 18. (Childrens Act) The police are continuing investigations. (Various criminal laws governing police active and ongoing investigations) Terrorism has been ruled out. UK Police press releases are factual.
M16 does NOT release information on those they have on watch lists. (Offical Secrets Act )
As an under 18 the suspect would not be under the Liverpool MH.

News sells. News abhors a vacuum and will promote gossip to sell because news places profits over people.

 

[Whyayeman]

If the minor's name was exposed, would the government lie, and say it's not the real name, to protect hia identity? Also, why is a 17 year old not being tried as an adult in such a horrific crime?

You have dug yourself such a deep hole with this false narrative! Please stop and reconsider your position. The lies you appear to have swallowed whole were part of your first post originating this thread. There was nothing accurate in the report. You should make a retraction.

Two neo-Nazis are now suspected of whipping up the disturbances in Southport last night. Nick Griffin (ex-National Front and British National Party) and so-called Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, the leader of the English Defence League) have been named as being behind the false narrative on social media.

50 people have been hospitalised and - up to the present - eight arrests have been made.

As for a trial, the crime was committed last Monday! When there has been a decision it will be published.

Post script: the police have applied to the court for more time to question the suspect [The Guardian on-line]

 

[vespasia]

I live in the Uk. Never heard of the chanel mentioned under the regional channel 3 licences listed by OFCOM. I suspect our regional areas may be smaller than most US county’s
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As for the assumption our legitimate media options toeing the line….that ignores the UK publics preference for the underdog ,our love of satirising leaders nor what happens to change law via lobbying and jurisprudence. Critical thinking about editorial slants and hidden agendas is valued here.

In the UK any under 18 is a child by law. They are protected from press intrusion by the Children’s Act.

Our justice system is not perfect but it is restorative and aims to rehabilitate wherever possible. Thanks to Christian reformers in the Victorian era it is no longer punitive and IF psychiatric assessment was to prove a suspect is unfit to stand trial we have some world class forensic and secure hospitals that also aim to restore and where possible enable recovery. They are not prisons. Any such person who was an adult in such a facility would be classed as an adult with vulnerabilities and also protected from press intrusion.

We may use a similar form of English language but we have our own laws and we think and do things differently.

 

[Whyayeman]

This is from the Guardian on-line this morning:

Josh Halliday, the Guardian’s north of England editor, has been speaking to local people in Southport in the aftermath of the riots last night.​

Residents in Southport have expressed their disgust and dismay after rioters tore down walls and smashed cars while attacking police officers shortly after a peaceful vigil to remember the young victims of Monday’s attack.​

The Guardian was told on Wednesday that rioters broke into locals’ sheds, looted a shop and hot-wired a car that was driven at police officers.​

Suzanne Jerran, the owner of Windsor mini mart, said she feared for the lives of her tenants when “a mob” broke into her shop and set fire to an industrial bin outside to ram at riot police.​

Holding back tears as a huge clean-up operation got underway on Wednesday, she said: “Why are they picking on us? Why are they damaging our town? This is a struggling seaside town as it is. We’ve lost so much to the likes of Liverpool. And now our struggling community is under attack from these yobs that are coming in.​

“What did we do to deserve this? We’ve already lost our children. Our community is grieving. How dare they come here to our town and do this? It’s disgusting. It really is disgusting.”​

Jerran’s family have owned the shop near Southport mosque since 1993 but leased it out to a Sri Lankan businessman who turned it into a corner shop three years ago.​

She said she saw on social media a “huge mob of young lads” outside the shop before her tenant phoned her to say “men with fire were coming into the shop”. They looted all of the cigarettes and many bottles of alcohol, she said.​

 

[HantsUK]

If the minor's name was exposed, would the government lie, and say it's not the real name, to protect hia identity? Also, why is a 17 year old not being tried as an adult in such a horrific crime?

So you now claim to know where he will be tried?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Does the UK always put out entirely false stories?

No...typically, that sort of thing is punished in the UK tmk.

 

[Ana the Ist]

You didn’t need verifiable evidence to repeat his name. Why do you need “verifiable evidence” to retract it?

I don't understand what exactly is the claim here....

The person identified in the OP isn't actually the person in the case?

Did they identify the person in the case or not?

 

[iluvatar5150]

I don't understand what exactly is the claim here....

The person identified in the OP isn't actually the person in the case?

Correct. The "Channel 3" that made the original claim isn't really a news outlet. I'm not sure if the person identified in the OP even exists.

Did they identify the person in the case or not?

No, though they did give some basic characteristics about him (e.g. birthplace) that dismantle the claims in the OP.

 

[Ana the Ist]

This is from the Guardian on-line this morning:

Josh Halliday, the Guardian’s north of England editor, has been speaking to local people in Southport in the aftermath of the riots last night.​

Residents in Southport have expressed their disgust and dismay after rioters tore down walls and smashed cars while attacking police officers shortly after a peaceful vigil to remember the young victims of Monday’s attack.​

The Guardian was told on Wednesday that rioters broke into locals’ sheds, looted a shop and hot-wired a car that was driven at police officers.​

Suzanne Jerran, the owner of Windsor mini mart, said she feared for the lives of her tenants when “a mob” broke into her shop and set fire to an industrial bin outside to ram at riot police.​

Holding back tears as a huge clean-up operation got underway on Wednesday, she said: “Why are they picking on us? Why are they damaging our town? This is a struggling seaside town as it is. We’ve lost so much to the likes of Liverpool. And now our struggling community is under attack from these yobs that are coming in.​

“What did we do to deserve this? We’ve already lost our children. Our community is grieving. How dare they come here to our town and do this? It’s disgusting. It really is disgusting.”​

Jerran’s family have owned the shop near Southport mosque since 1993 but leased it out to a Sri Lankan businessman who turned it into a corner shop three years ago.​

She said she saw on social media a “huge mob of young lads” outside the shop before her tenant phoned her to say “men with fire were coming into the shop”. They looted all of the cigarettes and many bottles of alcohol, she said.​

Sad. This seems to be increasingly common as a reaction to lawlessness.

It's not very difficult to justify your own lawlessness when you see it as a response to the lawlessness of others....and the authorities do nothing. Whenever that increasingly becomes the norm....anger and frustration can lead to a mob.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Correct. The "Channel 3" that made the original claim isn't really a news outlet.

Lol not even a news outlet???

Channel 3....you dogs....you picked a very dishonest name to fool people.

No, though they did give some basic characteristics about him (e.g. birthplace) that dismantle the claims in the OP.

Which post has the corrections? They didn't all load on my phone.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Lol not even a news outlet???

Channel 3....you dogs....you picked a very dishonest name to fool people.




Which post has the corrections? They didn't all load on my phone.

Eleven children and two adults have been knifed at a Taylor Swift-themed event in Southport

Eleven children and two adults have been knifed at a Taylor Swift-themed event in Southport A knife-wielding attacker has injured eleven children - two of them fatally - and two adults at a Taylor Swift-themed yoga event in the town of Southport in northwestern England. Channel 3 named the...

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[Ana the Ist]

This is exactly why the attacker's name hasn't been made public; because the attacker is a minor and for legal reasons. It's standard procedure not to give out the name of a minor suspected of committing a crime in the UK. Any source on the internet that names the attacker, including "Channel 3," is going to be wrong.

Well hang on...I'll agree that a non-news source claiming to be a news source isn't likely to have the correct name, certainly not in this case....

However....surely there are news sources that do some journalism and could possibly have an inside source on an investigation give details to a reporter under the cover of anonymity....no?

Or did they lose freedom of the press around the time they began policing speech?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Eleven children and two adults have been knifed at a Taylor Swift-themed event in Southport

Eleven children and two adults have been knifed at a Taylor Swift-themed event in Southport A knife-wielding attacker has injured eleven children - two of them fatally - and two adults at a Taylor Swift-themed yoga event in the town of Southport in northwestern England. Channel 3 named the...

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Ty @iluvatar5150.

 

[Pommer]

Sad. This seems to be increasingly common as a reaction to lawlessness.

It's not very difficult to justify your own lawlessness when you see it as a response to the lawlessness of others....and the authorities do nothing. Whenever that increasingly becomes the norm....anger and frustration can lead to a mob.

The authorities arrested someone for these horrific crimes and are beginning to build their case.
This is “the norm”, Bad Things Happen, Police make it go away.
Now the courts in England are generally pretty quick to indict suspected criminals so, we’re again, being told that normal, standard, everyday fare is “wrong”.