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On Trump's 2025 Plan, if he gets re-elected as president

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Trump wishes to dismantle the federal government.
He wants to dismantle the liberal agenda government of Joe BIden. I am amazed the Clinton, Obama and Pelosi all support him. Esp Pelosi does not feel Joe is competent to be president. Joe has already turned the white house into a nursing home. They say any medical student can look at the way Joe walks and talks to see that there is a problem there that needs to be addressed.
 
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He wants to dismantle the liberal agenda government of Joe BIden. I am amazed the Clinton, Obama and Pelosi all support him. Esp Pelosi does not feel Joe is competent to be president. Joe has already turned the white house into a nursing home. They say any medical student can look at the way Joe walks and talks to see that there is a problem there that needs to be addressed.
I'm amazed that the American party system doesn't have an age limit - or a Westminster style Cabinet vote process that changes leader. How on earth is Joe still there? Why was he running LAST time?

But the larger question - how is a man like Trump running at all?

Mind you - Westminster leadership politics can go wrong sometimes. (Parties sometimes panic on a given poll and personal ambition gets in there and knifes a good leader in the back. EG: When Julia Gillard arranged a coup against Kevin Rudd - who was incredibly smart, hardworking, moral, and visionary in staving off the worst of the GFC for Australia.)

But generally - I'm proud of the fact that Australia has a Westminster system of government with compulsory voting (so that politicians appeal to the middle ground), we vote on a Saturday so working people can get there, we have abundant polling booths run in schools and councils, and the schools generally have a "Democracy sausage" going as a fund raiser. Indeed - one of our more academic political podcasts is called just that.

So colour me biased - but I think our system is more democratic - even though we do not directly vote for our 'leader' - we vote for the party that chooses that leader - and with compulsory voting - more of us vote in a fairer manner with less 'democracy decline' than America seems to be experiencing.
 
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Why should not this leftist propaganda arm of the federal government be eliminated? The department of education is long gone from any useful purpose. It is more concerned with bathroom agendas and encouraging children they can be whatever sex they want than teaching education fundamentals. Many can not read or do math up to grade level but girls think they can be boys and boys think they can be girls. Many are no longer taught cursive writing they can’t even sign their name. History is being rewritten , climate fear propaganda is shoved down their throats. The department of education is no longer concerned with legitimate education so it should be eliminated.
Such fear to return power to "we the people". Dismantling federal agencies power, over our schools empowers us. Libs just cannot fathom not having these bureaucrats running our lives.
 
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Such fear to return power to "we the people". Dismantling federal agencies power, over our schools empowers us. Libs just cannot fathom not having these bureaucrats running our lives.
I happen to like public education being free, for everyone, somewhat equitable, and guaranteed by the government. The kids are mainly being taught how to read and write.

In NSW our Religious Education boards decades ago proposed legislation to allow 30 minutes a week of integrating the culture in the home to be expressed in the school. Our Christian scripture teachers were careful to write the legislation to include all faiths, whether humanist or Buddhist or Moslem, to also enjoy this right. We are a pluralistic society - and faith should be by conversation, not coercion. (See Romans, Galatians, 1 Corinthians, Jesus saying "My kingdom is not of this world", and this book.

But then I accept science. I accept that the evidence leads us to an old old universe, and old planet, and evolution. I'm not trying to shield my children from these realities, nor the reality of climate change. Under the influence of Australian Ken Ham - so many American's have been influenced to believe these are all evil things - lies of the devil - even though there are heaps of Christian biologists and cosmologists etc across all the old earth sciences. I don't believe you can hide children from these things by gutting your educational system and trying to send your country into some kind of Gilead from the Handmaid's Tale.
 
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I happen to like public education being free
Public and education is a contradiction in terms. If it is public then brain washing maybe a better term to use. Or in George Orwell’s dystopian novel “1984,” they call it double think of group think. Hitler was the first to use public education to brainwash people. Most people have not been to a private school so they do not have that comparison.
 
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Public and education is a contradiction in terms.
No they're not.
If it is public then brain washing maybe a better term to use.
The "public" in public education refers to how it is funded, publically, through tax dollars. It is no contradiction that tax dollars fund schools and learning.
Most people have not been to a private school so they do not have that comparison.
I went to both public and private schools. It was the public school that taught to question everything. It was the private school that taught unquestionong acceptance of their precepts.
 
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The "public" in public education refers to how it is funded, publically, through tax dollars. It is no contradiction that tax dollars fund schools and learning.
Adolf Hitler, the infamous dictator of Germany during World War II, implemented various programs to indoctrinate German children. One of the most notorious was the Hitler Youth. Before the Nazis came to power, the Hitler Youth had a small membership, but once they took control, its numbers swelled dramatically, including millions of children. By 1939, membership became compulsory for all children of the appropriate age1.

I had a friend that was in Hitler's youth. He was sent to the front line when he was 12 and ended up in a Polish prisoner of war camp where a guard knocked out one of his eyes with the butt of a rifle. He was able to escape when he cut down a tree and pole vaulted over the fence. He was having problems with being paranoid but I do not know what happened to him after that.

The High School I went to the director and principal were holocaust survivors. So I got a little bit different of an education then what people were getting in the brain control public school system that specialized in revisionism, double talk and group think. But I appreciate how effective they were in getting you to defend them the way you do. We will put a star on your chart for that one. Keep up the good work and maybe someday you will earn yourself a ribbon!
 
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Adolf Hitler, the infamous dictator of Germany during World War II, implemented various programs to indoctrinate German children. One of the most notorious was the Hitler Youth. Before the Nazis came to power, the Hitler Youth had a small membership, but once they took control, its numbers swelled dramatically, including millions of children. By 1939, membership became compulsory for all children of the appropriate age1.

I had a friend that was in Hitler's youth. He was sent to the front line when he was 12 and ended up in a Polish prisoner of war camp where a guard knocked out one of his eyes with the butt of a rifle. He was able to escape when he cut down a tree and pole vaulted over the fence. He was having problems with being paranoid but I do not know what happened to him after that.

The High School I went to the director and principal were holocaust survivors. So I got a little bit different of an education then what people were getting in the brain control public school system that specialized in revisionism, double talk and group think. But I appreciate how effective they were in getting you to defend them the way you do. We will put a star on your chart for that one. Keep up the good work and maybe someday you will earn yourself a ribbon!
That has nothing to do with public education in the US which began almost a 100 years prior to Adolph Hitler (the first public normal school is established in 1839 in Lexington, Massachusetts).
 
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That has nothing to do with public education
Believe what you want. It is just a testimony to how effective they are in brainwashing people. This does not even get into a discussion on how the war mongers get people to fight their wars for them. But some of my best friends were pawns for the war mongers.
 
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I happen to like public education being free, for everyone, somewhat equitable, and guaranteed by the government.
First, public education is not free. Second, The first is true because the government does not have it's own money. It is "we the public" which bear the cost willingly.
Other than the above... I happen to like a focus on academics, and in accordance to the constitutional freedoms and rights within it's walls.
The kids are mainly being taught how to read and write.
In NSW our Religious Education boards decades ago proposed legislation to allow 30 minutes a week of integrating the culture in the home to be expressed in the school.
Why would you do that? If culture is going to be taught, teach the culture of our constitutional republic. That which 'we the public" all (should) share equally. What goes beyond that toss it out.
Our Christian scripture teachers were careful to write the legislation to include all faiths, whether humanist or Buddhist or Moslem, to also enjoy this right. We are a pluralistic society - and faith should be by conversation, not coercion.
Yes, but all live and abide by the constitution of our republic.
(See Romans, Galatians, 1 Corinthians, Jesus saying "My kingdom is not of this world", and this book.

But then I accept science. I accept that the evidence leads us to an old old universe, and old planet, and evolution. I'm not trying to shield my children from these realities, nor the reality of climate change.
I like to shield our public places to our shared values as a constitutional republic.
Under the influence of Australian Ken Ham - so many American's have been influenced to believe these are all evil things - lies of the devil - even though there are heaps of Christian biologists and cosmologists etc across all the old earth sciences.
How about the influence of being Americans, having a shared constitutional republic.
I don't believe you can hide children from these things by gutting your educational system and trying to send your country into some kind of Gilead from the Handmaid's Tale.
Trying to hide? Are you trying to hide our shared constitution? If we teach what we share as our rights and responsibility to our fellow citizens there would be no such accusations but a common goal of unity as Americans. Let our outside concerns be addressed through another venue. And return to the power of persuasion.....due to respecting our constitution as Americans
 
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No they're not.

The "public" in public education refers to how it is funded, publically, through tax dollars. It is no contradiction that tax dollars fund schools and learning.

I went to both public and private schools. It was the public school that taught to question everything. It was the private school that taught unquestionong acceptance of their precepts.
And that public is "we the people". And as we the people, to understand and behave as a shared blessing, as well as a shared burden to OTHERS, as fellow Americans. Not this group of the people, that group of the people. Not this agency, bureau, etc.
 
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Public and education is a contradiction in terms. If it is public then brain washing maybe a better term to use. Or in George Orwell’s dystopian novel “1984,” they call it double think of group think. Hitler was the first to use public education to brainwash people. Most people have not been to a private school so they do not have that comparison.
Wow - if you have an opinion - I want you to feel free to express it - without evidence and in as blunt a manner as you can! :doh: :oldthumbsup:
Oh - and feel free to confirm Godwin's law to boot!

Ha ha - I love this T-shirt!
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Adolf Hitler, the infamous dictator of Germany during World War II, implemented various programs to indoctrinate German children. One of the most notorious was the Hitler Youth. Before the Nazis came to power, the Hitler Youth had a small membership, but once they took control, its numbers swelled dramatically, including millions of children. By 1939, membership became compulsory for all children of the appropriate age1.

I had a friend that was in Hitler's youth. He was sent to the front line when he was 12 and ended up in a Polish prisoner of war camp where a guard knocked out one of his eyes with the butt of a rifle. He was able to escape when he cut down a tree and pole vaulted over the fence. He was having problems with being paranoid but I do not know what happened to him after that.

The High School I went to the director and principal were holocaust survivors. So I got a little bit different of an education then what people were getting in the brain control public school system that specialized in revisionism, double talk and group think. But I appreciate how effective they were in getting you to defend them the way you do. We will put a star on your chart for that one. Keep up the good work and maybe someday you will earn yourself a ribbon!
And it just keeps on going! :doh:o_O:D:D:D
Public education is mainly about teaching how to read and write and do maths, some critical thinking, and then appreciating that we live in a multi-cultural, multi-faith society. In other words - gentle tolerance as we all try to figure this out. It's actually remarkably consistent with what the New Testament teaches! It's the job of parents and church to help youth be secure enough in their Christianity to actually practice what we preach! That our kingdom is "Not of this world" and that the law does not save! See Galatians, Romans, New Testament - and if you still need help avoiding "Christian Nationalism" - try this book.
 
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And that public is "we the people". And as we the people, to understand and behave as a shared blessing, as well as a shared burden to OTHERS, as fellow Americans. Not this group of the people, that group of the people. Not this agency, bureau, etc.
I'm not quite sure what point you are making here?
I agree the public is 'we the people'. But organisational structures are required to funnel our tax dollars to where they should go, and deliver the services and infrastructure that keeps society moving. I don't mind government departments - with oversight - but in the free market area I dislike Corporations and wish we used DWC's competing in a free market. But maybe that's for another thread.

Meanwhile - getting back to the point of this thread - what checks and balances are in the American system? I was watching a "Caspian Report" on if Trump got back in - and this graphic came up. I'm very busy at the moment - and wondering if someone can give me a paragraph on each Committee - and how it might moderate Trumpism?


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I'm not quite sure what point you are making here?
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I agree the public is 'we the people'. But organisational structures are required to funnel our tax dollars to where they should go, and deliver the services and infrastructure that keeps society moving.
We were talking about educating our children. And the service is reading, writing, math. Simple academics...
I don't mind government departments - with oversight - but in the free market area I dislike Corporations and wish we used DWC's competing in a free market. But maybe that's for another thread.
Again we were talking about public education
Meanwhile - getting back to the point of this thread - what checks and balances are in the American system?
3 branches of government each with it's own power. To keep each others power in check. having those whom we elect do this is how we choose who does this...
I was watching a "Caspian Report" on if Trump got back in - and this graphic came up. I'm very busy at the moment - and wondering if someone can give me a paragraph on each Committee - and how it might moderate Trumpism?


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They are doing their job we gave them as elected officials. This is one of their operations on our behalf. Why are you complaining about government oversight for us as elected officials?
 
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The truth will set you free...

Bitcoin as US reserve currency: Trump team reportedly considers adding BTC to Treasury

Trump could label Bitcoin as a strategic asset at the upcoming Bitcoin 2024 Conference in Nashville. According to Dennis Porter, co-founder of the non-profit organization Satoshi Act, inside sources have told him that labeling Bitcoin as a reserve asset is on Trump’s to-do list, and the Bitcoin 2024 Conference, scheduled to take place from July 25 - July 27, offers the opportune time to make the announcement.

Trump's Nashville Bitcoin Conference Fundraiser Top-Tier Tickets Priced At $844,600

Former President Donald Trump is set to headline a campaign fundraiser in Nashville, TN, on July 27, coinciding with his anticipated keynote speech at the Bitcoin Conference, the nation's largest gathering of cryptocurrency enthusiasts. According to an invitation shared with CNBC, the event's top-tier ticket is priced at $844,600 per person.

The priciest tickets, which include a seat at a roundtable with Trump, match the maximum donation individuals can contribute to Trump and the Republican party's main joint fundraising committee, the Trump 47 Committee. For those seeking a photo with Trump, tickets are available at $60,000 per person or $100,000 per couple.

~bella
 
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Trump's 2025 Plan is to simply replace the federal government, with people
who will support all his political agenda. It would make much of the federal
government into an arm of his political party.

Whether or not you support some of the positions that Trump is taking --
and there are some positions that Christians could find appealing --
Trump wishes to dismantle the federal government.

Without an impartial federal government, America would be ruled by a single
political party, and this would be DISASTROUS.

A political party is a group of people who want the same (sort of) agenda
carried out by the president. But, the current system of 2 main political
parties was NEVER contemplated by the founding fathers of America, and
they NEVER meant federal employees (such as the military, the Department
of Justice, the Treasury, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security,
etc.) to be a tool for one political party to enforce its wishes on all American
citizens. The federal government was to serve ALL CITIZENS.

We have already seen that Trump despises judges who rule against him in law suits
(Trump wants to be free of the rule of law in America, for himself), and threatens the
families of these judges, and threatens all politicians who disagree with him. In this
behavior, it is clear that Trump CANNOT live with the American democratic ideals,
of representation of ALL opinions of citizens.

Trump is seeking the end of American democracy, and wishes to bring that about
by taking over the federal government.

His goal is to avoid prosecution. He doesn't want the fair rule of law in America,
to apply to him.

We saw clearly in the January 6th hearings, that traditional Republicans testified
against Trump's lawless behavior. Observing Trump acting outside the rule of law in
America, is not a political party thing. Trump has started political behavior that is
DIRECTLY AGAINST historical Republican values, in that Trump is attacking the
fair rule of law in America.

Trump's 2025 agenda, if he is voted in as President, is to upend the fair rule of
law in America, and make it into a system of political kangaroo courts, that will
do whatever he wants.

This is not American. It is not democracy. It is not justice.
It is not compatible with historic Christian values.
Ugh This isn't Trump's plan. Really wish people would stop spreading false information. He himself has denied any part in it as has the Heritage Foundation that put it together. It's a recommendation put together by 100 delegates. Nothing more. This isn't his plan.

I'm not a Trump fan. Just tired of all the false information and the heavy focus on Project 2025.
 
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Trump Speech...

Gilded: covered or tinged with gold or a golden color.

Gilded Age: The term “gilded age” was coined by Mark Twain and Charles Dudley Warner in a book titled The Gilded Age: A Tale of Today.3 Published in 1873, the book satirized the thin “gilding” of economic well-being that overlaid the widespread poverty, corruption, and labor exploitation that characterized the period.

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Speech...

America’s on the cusp of a new golden age, but we will have the courage to seize it. We’re going to take it, we’re going to make it a current — I mean, we’re going to bring this into a golden age like never seen before.

~bella
 
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Ugh This isn't Trump's plan. Really wish people would stop spreading false information. He himself has denied any part in it as has the Heritage Foundation that put it together. It's a recommendation put together by 100 delegates. Nothing more. This isn't his plan.

I'm not a Trump fan. Just tired of all the false information and the heavy focus on Project 2025.
You haven't watched the ABC 4.Corners special.
 
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