Christ's Law (The Royal Law / God's Law) is incompatible with the (Big Ten) IMHO

[Grip Docility]

1 Corinthians 9:18 What then is my reward? To preach the gospel and offer it free of charge and not make full use of my authority in the gospel.

Paul is in the flesh discussing why he doesn't preach for financial profit. Paul in the Spirit is explaining that the Gospel is FREE of Carnal Charge.​

John 2:13 The Jewish Passover was near, so Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple complex He found people selling oxen, sheep, and doves, and He also found the money changers sitting there.​

Luke 19:45,46 And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who sold, saying to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a den of robbers.”​

The Gentiles and Jews were allowed to worship and pray past the gate into the Temple. This was known as the Temple courtyard. The spiritual implication of money is Carnal Works of Righteousness that count towards self righteousness, throughout the entire new testament. The Temple "sacrifices" used to forgive sin were being sold right within the Temple. It is not written, but it is verified through historical study that priests had to confirm if a "sacrifice" was worthy of offering and thus could have easily denied all "bring your own" sacrifices, then charged expensive amounts for the sacrifices being sold. The spiritual implication is clearly that forgiveness of sins costs carnal exchange between God and Mankind.​

15 After making a whip out of cords, He drove everyone out of the temple complex with their sheep and oxen. He also poured out the money changers’ coins and overturned the tables. 16 He told those who were selling doves, “Get these things out of here! Stop turning My Father’s house into a marketplace!”​

In the John account, Jesus calls the Money changers Robbers/Thieves​

Matthew 23:25 “Woe to you, Experts in the Torah and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside they are full of robbery and self-indulgence.​

In Matthew 23 Jesus likens the Teachers of the Torah unto hypocrisy, robbery and self righteousness, because their works are comparative works that they expect others to follow and themselves to be exalted for following.​

19 Although I am a free man and not anyone’s slave, I have made myself a slave to everyone, in order to win more people.

Paul is evoking Galatians 4 in this verse. He is making it abundantly clear that he has cast out the Slave Woman and her son that were born on Mt. Sinai. Then Paul evokes his self proclaimed title as a Bond servant of Jesus Christ to All mankind, which is a binding reference to an old testament passage of being completely freed, then begging your Master to grab an awl, as they place their ear willingly to the Master's doorpost so that the Master can drive a hole through the freed slaves ear. An ear ring could be placed in the hole to declare them a Bond Servant of the Master forever. This is Paul's reference to exalting Jesus Christ's Law.​

20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win Jews; to those under the law, like one under the law—though I myself am not under the law—to win those under the law.

There are two different usages of the word LAW, between 1 Corinthians 9:20 and 1 Corinthians 9:21​

1 Corinthians 9:20​

1 Corinthians 9:21​

3551. nomos nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: nomos Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os) Definition: that which is assigned, usage, law Usage: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general. Just to be certain that this very Law being mentioned by Paul is the Decalogue, (10 Commandments), we find that this is the precise word that is used to pen the following verses in the same Koine Greek. Matthew 5:17 N-AMS GRK: καταλῦσαι τὸν νόμον ἢ τοὺς NAS: to abolish the Law or KJV: to destroy the law, or INT: to abolish the law or the Matthew 5:18 N-GMS And... GRK: ἀπὸ τοῦ νόμου ἕως ἂν NAS: shall pass from the Law until KJV: pass from the law, till all INT: from the law until anyhow​ Jesus Christ has made it possible for Paul to ensure that it is clear that he is not Under this Law because Jesus Christ fulfilled this Law. Matthew 5:17 “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

1772. ennomos 2 Usages Acts 19:39 Adj-DFS GRK: ἐν τῇ ἐννόμῳ ἐκκλησίᾳ ἐπιλυθήσεται NAS: this, it shall be settled in the lawful assembly. KJV: in a lawful assembly. INT: in the lawful assembly it will be solved 1 Corinthians 9:21 Adj-NMS GRK: θεοῦ ἀλλ' ἔννομος Χριστοῦ ἵνα NAS: of God but under the law of Christ, KJV: but under the law to Christ,) INT: to God but within law to Christ that​ Jesus Christ is the KING. Revelation 19:13 He wore a robe stained with blood, and His name is the Word of God. ... 16 And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. This is why the very structure of James 2:8 Indeed, if you keep the royal law prescribed in the Scripture, Love your neighbor as yourself, you are doing well. James 2:8 defines the ROYAL LAW as specifically "Love your neighbor as yourself" Under this Law, it then specifies that if Love is given partially based on Carnal Judgment that the ROYAL LAW is transgressed, which then rolls the individual under the LAW of FREEDOM (James 2:12) back under the Law of Stone that leads to sin and death (Hebrews 2:14, 1 Corinthians 15:54,55,56, 2 Corinthians 3:7). Jesus lays the foundation for this understanding in John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh: I judge not any man. The Stone Law requires Carnal obedience that other men can visibly see and judge.​ ​ Romans 2:16 on the day when God will judge the secrets of human hearts, according to my gospel through Christ Jesus.​ The Love within a person's heart and the motives behind it can only be discerned by God. This is why the Royal Law is only fully observable by Jesus Christ's knowledge of each individuals human "heart" (Soul).​ ​

21 To those who are without that law, like one without the law—not being without God’s law but within Christ’s law—to win those without the law.

Here the very Greek supports that Paul is calling Jesus Christ's Law the Law of God or "God's Law".​

Christ's Law (John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”​

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Again, Jesus Christ, The King of king's, ROYAL LAW; ​

James 2:8 Indeed, if you keep the royal law prescribed in the Scripture, Love your neighbor as yourself, you are doing well.​

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22 To the weak I became weak, in order to win the weak. I have become all things to all people, so that I may by every possible means save some.

Romans 14 is Paul specifically defining Christ's Law at work through him in reference to assisting the weak in faith. I will use Red for Strong and Blue for weak.​

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Romans 14:1 Accept anyone who is weak in faith, but don’t argue about doubtful issues.​

Paul makes it clear that the weak in faith are to be Loved and encouraged. He warns that they are prone to bring up arguments that arise from doubts over small issues that could harm their weak faith, if it is stringently argued against.​

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2 One person believes he may eat anything, but one who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 One who eats must not look down on one who does not eat, and one who does not eat must not criticize one who does, because God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to criticize another’s household slave? Before his own Lord he stands or falls. And he will stand. For the Lord is able to make him stand.​

Paul states that neither stance should criticize or look down on the other. He's referring to meat sacrificed to idols. When eating with Gentiles, that Paul and his fellow apostles were witnessing to, a pig sacrificed to a foreign god might be served by the household being witnessed to as a kind gesture, ignorant to the concept of such matters, as they were being witnessed to. Paul writes about this in depth in 1 Corinthians 8. A fellow witness with Paul, may be upset by this matter and merely eat vegetables being served, while avoiding the meat. Pig was a very common sacrifice to foreign god's. It is one of the reasons the Mosaic Law forbid it's consumption.​

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1 Corinthians 8:1 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3 But whoever loves God is known by God.​

4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.​

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7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.​

Here, Paul calls the weak in faith an individual that has a "Defiled Conscience", meaning that they are not fully confident in the work of Jesus, yet. Paul makes it clear that it is fine to eat the meat, but adds that it's just food, neither good nor bad. Paul is quoting Jesus in a round about way.​

Matthew 15:11 what goes into a person's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth does.​

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[Grip Docility]

9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols?​

Paul is saying that the weak in faith may interpret the act as encouragement to act against their "defiled and weak" conscience.​

11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge.​

They may give up their faith, because they feel that they have failed God beyond repair, due to their weak faith.​

12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.​

Here, Paul is stating that he is careful how he behaves in front of the weak in faith, because he doesn't want to be a stumbling block before them, though his faith is Bold. He is stating that he will act weak around the weak, to one day allow the Holy Spirit to bring about Bold Faith within them, one day, in God's timing.​

5 One person considers one day to be above another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind.

Paul is hoping that the weak in faith will follow their "defiled conscience" long enough to eventually become responsive to the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and develop Bold Faith in the Royal Law of Jesus Christ (Love your neighbor as yourself), as he is exemplifying by the works of the Holy Spirit within Paul to all mankind.​

6 Whoever observes the day, observes it for the honor of the Lord. Whoever eats, eats for the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; and whoever does not eat, it is for the Lord that he does not eat it, yet he thanks God.

Paul now explains that initial heart motive is critical in this matter, as the Holy Spirit works within the heart (Soul).​

7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself.

The Royal Law asks that we perpetually build up others in Love in a very Holy Spirit of Jesus way!​

8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord.

Paul is literally under the threat of death, daily as he witnesses for Jesus Christ, as well as the rest of the Body.​

Therefore, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 Christ died and came to life for this: that He might rule over both the dead and the living. 10 But you, why do you criticize your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before the tribunal of God. 11 For it is written:

The Law of Love is a very deep matter that is intimate to God!​

As I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue will give praise to God.
12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

Our presence of Love or Lack thereof will finalize everything, which only God knows. This is a deep reference to the sheep and the goats.​

Paul will wrap this OP up. All Love in Jesus Christ to all of you!​

The Law of Love​

13 Therefore, let us no longer criticize one another. Instead decide never to put a stumbling block or pitfall in your brother’s way. 14 (I know and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself. Still, to someone who considers a thing to be unclean, to that one it is unclean.) 15 For if your brother is hurt by what you eat, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy that one Christ died for by what you eat. 16 Therefore, do not let your good be slandered, 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever serves Christ in this way is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19 So then, we must pursue what promotes peace and what builds up one another. 20 Do not tear down God’s work because of food. Everything is clean, but it is wrong for a man to cause stumbling by what he eats. 21 It is a noble thing not to eat meat, or drink wine, or do anything that makes your brother stumble. 22 Do you have a conviction? Keep it to yourself before God. The man who does not condemn himself by what he approves is blessed. 23 But whoever doubts stands condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from a conviction, and everything that is not from a conviction is sin.

 

[BobRyan]

Matt 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do so that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good;

but if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?”


Ok this is where Christ starts His own thread on the topic of "Christ's commands"

And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder; Ex 20
You shall not commit adultery; Ex 20
You shall not steal; Ex 20
You shall not give false testimony; Ex 20
19 Honor your father and mother; Ex 20
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev 19:18

Heb 8 - Paul tells us that it is Jesus speaking at Sinai - HIS commands
John tells us that Jesus spoke nothing of His own - but only the commands that the Father gave Him to speak.

Jesus' Word tells us to Love others as we love ourselves. Matt 19, Matt 22, Lev 19:18

QUESTION - did Jesus love others that way?
ANSWER - yes

Then to love others as Jesus loved us - is to follow His teaching in Lev 19:18, Matt 22, Matt 19 Rom 13 ... etc.

 

[Grip Docility]

Matt 19
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do so that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good;

but if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?”


Ok this is where Christ starts His own thread on the topic of "Christ's commands"

And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder; Ex 20
You shall not commit adultery; Ex 20
You shall not steal; Ex 20
You shall not give false testimony; Ex 20
19 Honor your father and mother; Ex 20
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev 19:18

Heb 8 - Paul tells us that it is Jesus speaking at Sinai - HIS commands
John tells us that Jesus spoke nothing of His own - but only the commands that the Father gave Him to speak.

Jesus' Word tells us to Love others as we love ourselves. Matt 19, Matt 22, Lev 19:18

QUESTION - did Jesus love others that way?
ANSWER - yes

Then to love others as Jesus loved us - is to follow His teaching in Lev 19:18, Matt 22, Matt 19 Rom 13 ... etc.

Paul addressed this very discussion. There are doctrines that I am not allowed to reconcile by scripture. An odd Mystery here is that by stringent exegesis, this is one that I am allowed by Jesus, through Paul to reconcile with you. We are both respected by Jesus, through scripture on our views.

As I exegeted this per my opinions and what I perceive to be the leading of the Holy Spirit of Jesus, it ended, naturally at Jesus through Paul insisting that the Royal command exalts peace on this matter in the name of Love (God). 1 John 4

There are doctrines that scripture ardently combats, yet on this divergence in opinion, you, who has a different view on this from myself and I who have a different view on this from you, are commanded through tactful words to find peace and Brotherhood in Jesus Christ, though we view this differently.

I found this Beautiful.

All Love to you in the Name of Jesus Christ to you, Bob, my Brother in Jesus.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The Royal law is the Ten Commandments summarized or Greatest Commandments- the first 4 how to love and worship God, the last 6 how to love our neighbor.

Rom 13:9 9 For the commandments, (Directly quoting from the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20) “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

The summary does not delete the details why breaking one of the Royal Law- the Ten Commandments- law of Liberty written on God's Authority Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 we break them all.


James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, (God in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20) “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

No wonder why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments because we would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30

This whole doctrine that the law of Christ is in conflict with the Law of God is not one that is coming from Jesus. Christ is Jesus and the law of Christ is the law of God.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Grip Docility]

The Royal law is the Ten Commandments summarized or Greatest Commandments- the first 4 how to love and worship God, the last 6 how to love our neighbor.

Rom 13:9 9 For the commandments, (Directly quoting from the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20) “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

The summary does not delete the details why breaking one of the Royal Law- the Ten Commandments- law of Liberty written on God's Authority Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 we break them all.

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, (God in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20) “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

No wonder why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments because we would be in fear of sin and Judgement Mat 5:19-30

This whole doctrine that the law of Christ is in conflict with the Law of God is not one that is coming from Jesus. Christ is Jesus and the law of Christ is the law of God.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I want to be be precise from my opinionated stance. As I fully exegeted this, I ended at Paul saying these specific words;

Romans 14:13 Therefore, let us no longer criticize one another. Instead decide never to put a stumbling block or pitfall in your brother’s way. 14 (I know and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself. Still, to someone who considers a thing to be unclean, to that one it is unclean.) 15 For if your brother is hurt by what you eat, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy that one Christ died for by what you eat. 16 Therefore, do not let your good be slandered, 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever serves Christ in this way is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19 So then, we must pursue what promotes peace and what builds up one another. 20 Do not tear down God’s work because of food. Everything is clean, but it is wrong for a man to cause stumbling by what he eats. 21 It is a noble thing not to eat meat, or drink wine, or do anything that makes your brother stumble. 22 Do you have a conviction? Keep it to yourself before God. The man who does not condemn himself by what he approves is blessed. 23 But whoever doubts stands condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from a conviction, and everything that is not from a conviction is sin.

Paul, in this passage, is explaining a complex matter that arises in witness when we come across situations that can be challenging to the unlearned, to navigate. The subject is Meat that is sacrificed to idols. I don't know if you read the OP in totality or are simply responding to the heading, but in most matters of discussion this topic is afforded peace between us. ​

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@BobRyan responded from the conviction of his heart as you are, also. However, there is a divergent issue of difference within his approach of responding to me and your approach. Bob breaths peace on this matter and shared his conviction, Lovingly, under the full conceptualization of Love.​

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When you and I discuss this and I offer peace, you do not desire peace and desire that I understand, per your conviction, which I understand implores you to communicate in such a matter, that I will be reckoned incorrect at judgment day. I believe you do this out of what you believe to be love. You are not the first Christian to communicate this way and I have had these moments in discussion, just as you, in the past and alluded to judgment day. I stopped doing it when in direct discussion with people. If I bind to doctrine that suggests salvational fate, I now do it apart from direct discussion and I always ensure I address an individual as Sibling in Jesus, per the Blood and Colossians 1. I am sharing this because I desire peace with all of my Siblings. I have no issue with the idea that you and I have a different conviction. You read the James chapter 2 passage far differently than I read it. This said, I am under the conviction to seek peace with you. ​

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I have a genuine question for you. Are you willing to count me a Sibling in Jesus and find peace with me on this matter of discussion that we view differently, or do you desire to discuss our perspectives back and forth because you are not willing to count me a sibling in Jesus, if I have this differing conviction than you?​

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I want to be be precise from my opinionated stance. As I fully exegeted this, I ended at Paul saying these specific words;

Romans 14:13 Therefore, let us no longer criticize one another. Instead decide never to put a stumbling block or pitfall in your brother’s way. 14 (I know and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself. Still, to someone who considers a thing to be unclean, to that one it is unclean.) 15 For if your brother is hurt by what you eat, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy that one Christ died for by what you eat. 16 Therefore, do not let your good be slandered, 17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever serves Christ in this way is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19 So then, we must pursue what promotes peace and what builds up one another. 20 Do not tear down God’s work because of food. Everything is clean, but it is wrong for a man to cause stumbling by what he eats. 21 It is a noble thing not to eat meat, or drink wine, or do anything that makes your brother stumble. 22 Do you have a conviction? Keep it to yourself before God. The man who does not condemn himself by what he approves is blessed. 23 But whoever doubts stands condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from a conviction, and everything that is not from a conviction is sin.

Paul, in this passage, is explaining a complex matter that arises in witness when we come across situations that can be challenging to the unlearned, to navigate. The subject is Meat that is sacrificed to idols. I don't know if you read the OP in totality or are simply responding to the heading, but in most matters of discussion this topic is afforded peace between us. ​

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@BobRyan responded from the conviction of his heart as you are, also. However, there is a divergent issue of difference within his approach of responding to me and your approach. Bob breaths peace on this matter and shared his conviction, Lovingly, under the full conceptualization of Love.​

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When you and I discuss this and I offer peace, you do not desire peace and desire that I understand, per your conviction, which I understand implores you to communicate in such a matter, that I will be reckoned incorrect at judgment day. I believe you do this out of what you believe to be love. You are not the first Christian to communicate this way and I have had these moments in discussion, just as you, in the past and alluded to judgment day. I stopped doing it when in direct discussion with people. If I bind to doctrine that suggests salvational fate, I now do it apart from direct discussion and I always ensure I address an individual as Sibling in Jesus, per the Blood and Colossians 1. I am sharing this because I desire peace with all of my Siblings. I have no issue with the idea that you and I have a different conviction. You read the James chapter 2 passage far differently than I read it. This said, I am under the conviction to seek peace with you. ​

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I have a genuine question for you. Are you willing to count me a Sibling in Jesus and find peace with me on this matter of discussion that we view differently, or do you desire to discuss our perspectives back and forth because you are not willing to count me a sibling in Jesus, if I have this differing conviction than you?​

Yes, I read the title and read what you thought substantiates your title or argument and I was providing clear scripture evidence that is making a different argument than the one you are making about God's law. Many think the Greatest Commandments- how to love God and how to love neighbor go undefined in scriptures, but they don't. Paul was very clear on what commandments make up how to love thy neighbor (the 2nd greatest commandment) taken directly from the Ten Commandments Rom 13:9 so obviously the greatest commandment how to love God must also be taken from the same unit of Ten- Which James confirms quoting directly from the same law- the Ten Commandments saying when we break one commandment we break them all James 2:10-12 Love to God and neighbor is keeping His commandments 1 John 5:2-3. I mean really how can one love God by breaking the very first commandment in the Ten by worshipping other gods. To claim God's Ten is not compatible with the Royal Law/Greatest commandments is just not a biblical argument.

The Ten Commandments is the same commandments just summarized into love- Love to God, love to man. What gets dangerous is when we start teaching something different and Jesus warns Mat 5:19 which leads me to my next point of where in regard to your interpretation on Mat 5:17

Many use this passage to basically have Jesus saying, I did not come to destroy the law or prophets, but came to end them, but if one were to read all the context in this passage its clearly not what Jesus is teaching. Jesus came to fill-full the law and prophets, not to end them. Like when someone fulfills their wedding vows, does that mean one can go commit adultery or does that mean one is faithful, for me it's the latter. Using it in the other context would make Jesus contradict Himself in the same passage because He clearly says if we break the least of these commandments- one would be least in heaven - so what we do today affects our status in heaven. Not something as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t can pass from God's law- heaven and earth would pass before that happens until ALL is fulfilled and that is when Jesus comes in the Clouds and His saints meet Him in the air. Hence why breaking and teaching others to break the least of these commandments- comes with some consequences- because least in heaven does not mean one will be there is we read the very next verse Mat 5:20

I am sorry, if you feel I am not teaching peace and unity, but we should never do so, at the compromise of biblical Truth. I love you dearly as my brother, which is why I spend the time to provide these scriptures. Sadly, there is a war against God's commandments and those who keep them, we have it predicted in scripture Rev 12:17 but God loves us all so very much, its why He asks us to teach each other His commandments Mat 5:19 and to come out of our false teachings before its too late 18:1-4

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[Grip Docility]

Yes, I read the title and read what you thought substantiates your title or argument and I was providing clear scripture evidence that is making a different argument than the one you are making about God's law. Many think the Greatest Commandments- how to love God and how to love neighbor go undefined in scriptures, but they don't. Paul was very clear on what commandments make up how to love thy neighbor (the 2nd greatest commandment) taken directly from the Ten Commandments Rom 13:9 so obviously the greatest commandment how to love God who also must be taken from the same unit of Ten- Which James confirms quoting directly from the same law- the Ten Commandments saying when we break one commandment we break them all James 2:10-12 Love to God and neighbor is keeping His commandments 1 John 5:2-3. I mean really how can one love God by breaking the very first commandment in the Ten by worshipping other gods. To claim God's Ten is not compatible with the Royal Law/Greatest commandments is just not a biblical argument.

The Ten Commandments is the same commandments just summarized into love- Love to God, love to man. What gets dangerous is when we start teaching something different and Jesus warns Mat 5:19 which leads me to my next point of where in regard to your interpretation on Mat 5:17

Many use this passage to basically have Jesus saying, I did not come to destroy the law of prophets, but came to end them, but if one were to read all the context in this passage its clearly not what Jesus is teaching. Jesus came to fill-full the law and prophets, not to end them. Like when someone fulfills their wedding vows, does that mean one can go commit adultery or does that mean one is faithful, for me it's the latter. Using it in the other context would make Jesus contradict Himself in the same passage because He clearly says if we break the least of these commandments- one would be least in heaven - so what we do today affects our status in heaven. Not something as small as a dot of an i or cross of a t can pass from God's law- heaven and earth would pass before that happens until ALL is fulfilled and that is when Jesus comes in the Clouds and His saints meet Him in the air. Hence why breaking and teaching others to break the least of these commandments- comes with some consequences- because least in heaven does not mean one will be there is we read the very next verse Mat 5:20

I am sorry, if you feel I am not teaching peace and unity, but we should never do so, at the compromise of biblical Truth. I love you dearly as my brother, which is why I spend the time to provide these scriptures. Sadly, there is a war against God's commandments and those who keep them, we have it predicted in scripture Rev 12:17 but God loves us all so very much, its why He asks us to teach each other His commandments Mat 5:19 and to come out of our false teachings before its too late 18:1-4

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I am commanded to Love you as Christ Loved me, so I will take this as a decision on your part to engage in discussion over this.

My first response is a request for you to evaluate the Totality of James Chapter 2 and I implore you to exegete it verse by verse. I know this topic matters to you and you believe that defending your position is a matter of Love. Therefore, I am telling you what my next discussion move will be, in response to whatever response you give in reference to this counter stance that I now willingly take up in discussion. I will be exegeting James Chapter 2 verse by verse from verse 1 to conclusion.

My second move will be to employ exegesis and root Koine Greek that I have already brought forward in the very OP. The portion I will first be standing on as a persuasive point will be the portion of the Opening Post that is contained within the bifurcated Table.

 

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I am commanded to Love you as Christ Loved me, so I will take this as a decision on your part to engage in discussion over this.

My first response is a request for you to evaluate the Totality of James Chapter 2 and I implore you to exegete it verse by verse. I know this topic matters to you and you believe that defending your position is a matter of Love. Therefore, I am telling you what my next discussion move will be, in response to whatever response you give in reference to this counter stance that I now willingly take up in discussion. I will be exegeting James Chapter 2 verse by verse from verse 1 to conclusion.

My second move will be to employ exegesis and root Koine Greek that I have already brought forward in the very OP. The portion I will first be standing on as a persuasive point will be the portion of the Opening Post that is contained within the bifurcated Table.

Seems clear to me....

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, (God in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20) “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

What commandments did Paul quote from to say what summarized the 2nd Greatest Commandment- to thy neighbor as thyself?

Rom 13:9 9 For the commandments, (Directly quoting from the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20) “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

So it would be impossible for the Royal Law/ Greatest commandments to be incompatible with the Ten Commandments when its the same law.

1 John 5: 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

We can't love God with all our hearts, mind, soul if we are breaking His commandments- starting with the first one...explain how we can break this and keep the Royal law of love. This is just the first commandment, if we can't get past this one, we should know our teaching is not compatible with God's written and spoken Word.

Exo 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

 

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Seems clear to me....

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, (God in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20) “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Opening Discussion Salvo.

This exegesis will become a repeating reference by myself in contrast to all further discussion in some fashion.

James Chapter 2

My brothers, do not show favoritism as you hold on to the faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ.

James opens this discussion with the concept of NOT SHOWING FAVORITISM. James is declared the "Brother" of Jesus throughout scripture, so we can be assured that James will bind Christ's more complex teachings within his Holy Spirit inspired writings.​

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Where does Jesus exemplify this teaching about "favoritism" at is most potent form?​

Luke 18:9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable:​

Jesus is about to address self righteousness and how it causes people to look down on others. This is the core meaning of "Favoritism".​

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10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.​

Pharisees exalted the Law and especially the 10 commandments. They stoned people per the Law to the letter, that transgressed the Law. We see this when they try to entrap Jesus by throwing the Adulterous woman at Jesus feet.​

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11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’​

The Pharisee evokes the 10 commandments.​

- Commandment 8: Thou shalt not steal​

- The very word "evildoers" in this passage roots in Koine Greek to people Unjustified by the Law of Moses (All Laws including the 10)​

- Commandment 7: You shall not commit adultery​

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He further exemplifies that he pays tithe and fasts twice a week​

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13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’​

We know that the Tax Collector is hated because he works for Rome. He is physically wealthy just like the Pharisee, because being a Tax Collector paid extremely well. However, unlike the Pharisee, this man acknowledges that he is condemned by the entire Law before God and begs God's Mercy. This also binds to Jesus saying that he did not come to save the "Righteous", but Sinners.​

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”​

Jesus confirms that the man that confessed that he is a sinner went home, ironically, "Justified before God". The Pharisee literally judged the Tax collector "Unjustified before God".​

2 For example, a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and a poor man dressed in dirty clothes also comes in.

In John 8:15, Jesus says this; "Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man."​

Because this is the book of John, we can bind poetic equivocations to this statement.​

Not only is the next statement Poetically equivalent, but it is in direct context with this account found, also in John chapter 8.​

John 8:3 Then the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, making her stand in the center. 4 “Teacher,” they said to Him, “this woman was caught in the act of committing adultery. 5 In the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do You say?” 6 They asked this to trap Him, in order that they might have evidence to accuse Him.​

It is eisegesis to suggest that this woman wasn't lawfully condemned to Stoning. There are far more than 3 witnesses present to this event. By the very Law, it is prescribed to stone this woman to death. Yet, Jesus had been forgiving sins and healing all manner of sinful people that the Pharisees hated and judged. They desired Jesus to spare the woman against Moses, most likely.​

Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with His finger. 7 When they persisted in questioning Him, He stood up and said to them, “The one without sin among you should be the first to throw a stone at her.”​

We can speculate what Jesus wrote in the sand for hours, but we know one thing, the very Finger that Carved the 10 Commandments which demanded blood for atonement, now carved into the very dust of the earth that Adam was formed from. Jesus employed a legal tactic that invalidates witness testimony. He suggested that only the innocent can condemn the guilty. Paul exegetes this concept.​

Galatians 3:22 But the Scripture has imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe​

8 Then He stooped down again and continued writing on the ground. 9 When they heard this, they left one by one, starting with the older men. Only He was left, with the woman in the center. 10 When Jesus stood up, He said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”​

It is eisegesis to assume what Jesus wrote into the dust. However, we know that Jesus convicted the accusers by the Law of Moses in such a way that they dropped their stones and left. In order to convict those attempting to entrap Jesus, Jesus had to reveal something within the Law that the accusers had been ignoring.​

11 “No one, Lord,” she answered.​

The woman is standing before the only Being that was innocent and capable of Righteously condemning her that very moment.​

“Neither do I condemn you,” said Jesus. “Go, and from now on do not sin anymore.”​

Jesus fulfills that He gives Mercy, where Mankind condemns the flesh. Jesus drove those using the 7th commandment against this woman away from her. How did Jesus fulfil this matter, yet remain obedient to the Law of Moses?​

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”​

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Jesus is Perfect and sinless. This woman is a sinful human being. Jesus is capable of NEVER SINNING and didn't. Yet, He commands this woman to "Go and sin no more".​

John 16:9 The world's sin is that it refuses to believe in me​

Just as Paul verifies, Jesus is now revealing that He is this woman's One True Savior (Messiah).​

2 Timothy 1:12 That is why I am suffering as I am. Yet this is no cause for shame, because I know whom I have believed, and am convinced that he is able to guard what I have entrusted to him until that day.​

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Jesus commanded this woman to unbelieve no more and if she will continue to do so, He will always drive off her accusers. Jesus exemplified this woman as all that Believe. She is a picture of His Virgin Bride without Spot or wrinkle because He fulfilled the Law for Her.​

3 If you look with favor on the man wearing the fine clothes and say, “Sit here in a good place,” and yet you say to the poor man, “Stand over there,” or, “Sit here on the floor by my footstool,” 4 haven’t you discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?

James is now Spiritually discussing using the Law of Moses as a measure of a man. He is likening this discussion to the Tax Collector and the Pharisee Parable. James was mature in the Meat of Jesus Christ and knew that the Spiritual person would discern this. He is writing to ensure that the Law of Love is exalted within the Body of Jesus, instead of Moses.​

5 Listen, my dear brothers: Didn’t God choose the poor in this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom that He has promised to those who love Him?

James, now, unmistakably evokes, again, that Jesus came to save those that acknowledge that they are utterly condemned by the Law of Moses, including what are referred to as "The Divine Laws", which are etched in Stone.​

6 Yet you dishonored that poor man. Don’t the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts? 7 Don’t they blaspheme the noble name that was pronounced over you at your baptism?

James is literally referring to the same Teachers of the Law of Moses that falsely condemned Jesus and per NT scripture are out and about to literally kill and condemn all believers in Jesus Christ. Why? The Law says "Do"! Jesus says "Done". The Law says "Slave". Jesus says "Son".​

8 Indeed, if you keep the royal law prescribed in the Scripture, Love your neighbor as yourself, you are doing well.

Not only does James name "THE ROYAL LAW", but he then defines it and finishes the statement with a period. He doesn't add to "Love your neighbor as yourself". Why? Because Love does one's neighbor (All Humanity), No Harm.​

9 But if you show favoritism, you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

James doesn't declare this "Law" a Royal Law. He contrasts it against the Royal Law and further defines that Sin itself can be charged unto a believer if they are "UNDER" this Law. He says that people who employ "Favoritism" have Fallen from the Royal Law and thus are now "Under" This Law.​

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Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law are alienated from Christ; you have fallen from grace.​

I Posit that this not only validates my path of exegesis, but when bound to James, it now further defines the Contrast between the Royal Law of "Love your neighbor as yourself", and the Stone Law which demands "Servitude through obedience and written Law", which is a gateway to Death. (Hebrews 2:14, 1 Corinthians 15:54,55,56)​

10 For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all. 11 For He who said, Do not commit adultery, also said, Do not murder. So if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you are a lawbreaker.

This doesn't hurt my position, but emphasizes it. James doesn't call this Law a Royal Law, but instead defines it as the very Stone 10 which as I have been positing all of this time, Condemns. He goes on to name some precise points of the Stone Law, which does not contain the "Royal Law" within it, because it was Given by Jesus Christ Himself as a NEW COMMAND. Had it been the Stone 10, He wouldn't have needed to contractually specify that it is the NEW LAW.​

12 Speak and act as those who will be judged by the law of freedom.

James didn't call the Stone Law a Law of "Freedom". He specified that it brings Guilt and Condemnation. By Jesus' very teachings, if a person lusts in their heart or hates someone in their heart, they are guilty of breaking the Stone 10. Jesus made it impossible to be Justified by the Law, unless a person is Good. Jesus called all of us "Evil". Paul agrees with this concept and teaches it. Only God (Jesus Christ) is "Good".​

13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who hasn’t shown mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

The Law of Love is born of a sincere Heart that only the Holy Spirit can make possible. "Love your neighbor as yourself". It is only discerned by God, Himself.​

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The Law of Stone is a matter of obedience and carnal practice. It is observable by fleshly means. It also leads to condemnation unto death per all NT writings. If you ever get a chance to ask a full blown Judaism Jew what they think of Paul's writings, you might be shocked. They are quite hostile towards Paul.​

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14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can his faith save him?​

The Royal law is the "Works" that James is speaking of here. A person that has life changing Love unto mankind is a work of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ. Their "Works" of Love your neighbor as yourself are the Works of God. They are the "Fruits of the Holy Spirit". No man can carnally judge a Christian, because Christians don't "Battle against flesh and blood".​

15 If a brother or sister is without clothes and lacks daily food 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you don’t give them what the body needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way faith, if it doesn’t have works, is dead by itself.

Carnally, this reads directly towards the Royal Law as I posit it is given. Spiritually, it reads even more deeply towards the Royal Law.​

Cloths (Wedding Garment of Jesus Christs work of Righteousness that Saves us)​

Food (Jesus is the Bread of Life and every word of Love to our fellow man and ourselves is healing and powerful to break down strongholds of hate built by the enemy)​

Warmth (Jesus makes us on Passionate Fire with His Love that infectiously leads us to Love mankind with changing results unto the world)​

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith from my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. The demons also believe—and they shudder.

Even Demons know that God exists, but they don't understand God's Mercy, Love, Humility and Grace. They don't believe in Christ's sufficiency to save 5 alarm sinners and continue to condemn humanity as they have believed is correct, just like their senior authority did before God night and day, until he was cast from Heaven with they.​

20 Foolish man! Are you willing to learn that faith without works is useless? 21 Wasn’t Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active together with his works, and by works, faith was perfected. 23 So the Scripture was fulfilled that says, Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness, and he was called God’s friend.

Hebrews reveals this thing.​

Hebrews 11:19 For he had concluded that God could even raise people from the dead! And, figuratively speaking, he did so receive him.​

Abraham knew that God could resurrect the dead and knew that God was Love. He Believed that Loving God was his friend and would restore Isaac, even if he sacrificed Isaac per God's instructions. He knew that God wasn't a Demanding god like the ones that people were demanded to throw their baby's into the fire, for.​

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24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

These are works of Love (God). Love your neighbor as yourself.​

25 And in the same way, wasn’t Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by a different route?

Rahab was a lady of the evening. She was a prostitute. She was a woman of "ill repute". She was a sex worker. She was condemned under the Stone Law as an Adulterous. Yet, her act of LOVE JUSTIFIED HER before God. Love of the Royal Law triumphs over the Condemnation of the Stone Law.​

26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works (of LOVE) is dead.

1 Corinthians 13:1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.​

 

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Opening Discussion Salvo.

This exegesis will become a repeating reference by myself in contrast to all further discussion in some fashion.

James Chapter 2

My brothers, do not show favoritism as you hold on to the faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ.

James opens this discussion with the concept of NOT SHOWING FAVORITISM. James is declared the "Brother" of Jesus throughout scripture, so we can be assured that James will bind Christ's more complex teachings within his Holy Spirit inspired writings.​

You are getting way off topic so I will only respond to what we are discussing... for example the law in Galatians is mainly about the law of circumcision which is not the same as the Ten Commandments or the Royal law in which James is discussing. Paul makes this distinction clearly 1 Cor 7:19

James is contrasting how we should not show favoritism with each other, the same way we should not show favoritism in God's law. The Ten Commandments was never meant to be "multiple choice" or optional and James makes this point very clear. Sadly the warning James is giving is exactly what most people teach to do.


James 2: 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it

James then goes on to quote the law he is referring to…

Where do these commandments come from?

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Only in the Ten Commandments- James is not teaching we are free to break these commandments, its the opposite- breaking one is like breaking them all. Like the teachings of many who claim to keep 9 commandments, when the He who said wrote and spoke Ten Commandments. Exo 32:16 Exo 34:28 James is clearly saying we break one of these we break them all, same as Jesus taught Mat 5:19


20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

10 For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all. 11 For He who said, Do not commit adultery, also said, Do not murder. So if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you are a lawbreaker.
This doesn't hurt my position, but emphasizes it. James doesn't call this Law a Royal Law, but instead defines it as the very Stone 10 which as I have been positing all of this time, Condemns. He goes on to name some precise points of the Stone Law, which does not contain the "Royal Law" within it, because it was Given by Jesus Christ Himself as a NEW COMMAND. Had it been the Stone 10, He wouldn't have needed to contractually specify that it is the NEW LAW.

Where exactly is James calling the Ten Commandments the law of stone. God personally wrote them on Stone for its eternal nature and then placed them in our hearts Heb 8:10 I don't think you have a good understanding of the purpose of the Ten Commandments. It is the law that defines what sin is when breaking 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 . The purpose of the commandments is to show us our sins Rom 3:20 Rom 7:7 so we are not depending on our righteous way of living but on God's Rom 7:12 Psa 119:172 which is everlasting Psa 119:142 and it shows us our need for Jesus. Psa 19:7 What you are teaching is the exact opposite of what this passage actually says and what Jesus taught- to not break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 because Jesus will Judge us based on our deeds 2 Cor 5:10 and we will all be Judged by the law of Liberty the Ten Commandments- breaking one, we break them all. James 2:10-12 I’m not sure where you’re getting that we don’t have to stand before Jesus on Judgment day. Jesus didn’t come the first time to Judge, He came to not just to take the penalty of the law (death Rom 6:23) but also came show us the WAY and led by example 1 John 2:6 never teaching what man teaches today that we don’t have to keep God’s commandments, but condemned those who keep their rules over obeying God’s Mat 15:3-14 sadly not much has changed. Jesus however will Judge us all on the last day John 12:48. We are told what we will be Judged by, but but most people think “it won’t happen to me” despite the clear scriptures, Jame 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 7:23 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15.

Can you please point the verse in scripture where Christ giving a "New" commandment deletes all His other commandments? Jesus never pitted one f His teachings over another, that one deletes the other, they all build on each other and all work in harmony. Do you really think Jesus didn't know about the greatest commandments in the OT when He repeated them in the NT- it wasn't that they were new, love the Lord thy God and love thy neighbor is the basis of the Ten Commandments Rom 13:9. and all of God’s Word. Jesus was restating it in a new way, because people are so stiff necked and He would have to say things in a new way in hopes people would open to their heart to be obedient to His teachings. Sin is what separated us (breaking God's law) Isa 59:2 doing the same thing over and over again that Jesus condemned in scripture is not how we are reconciled. The Ten Commandments is the law of Liberty James 2:10-12 because we are free from the bondage of sin. If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments- can you imagine how life would be like- free from the bondage of sin. Unfortunately we won't know that until He comes back and all sin and sinners will destroyed forever, but through His Spirit, He can help us obey Him John 14:15-18 so we can be reconciled Rev 22:14 but sadly many choose to rebel Rom 8:7-8 Rev 22:15

 

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You are getting way off topic so I will only respond to what we are discussing... for example the law in Galatians is mainly about the law of circumcision which is not the same as the Ten Commandments or the Royal law in which James is discussing,

I have to be honest with you, this is eisegesis. The poetry, repetition and driving verbiage makes it specifically about the Law of 10. I know for a fact that asking you what was born on Sinai per Galatians 4 forces you to step aside from context. (In my humble opinion)

James is contrasting how we should not show favoritism with each other, the same way we should not show favoritism in God's law. The Ten Commandments was never meant to be "multiple choice" or optional and James makes this point very clear. Sadly the warning James is giving is exactly what most people teach.

Could you please quote James and James alone where he says this. Be prepared to receive that precise place exegeted back, because it is already exegeted per context. (IMO)

James 2: 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it

By Jesus turning the 10 commandments into a matter of heart, He makes it impossible to keep the 10 commandments. I have yet to meet a single person that claims to not infract them per Jesus' personal standards given in the Beatitudes, on a daily basis. I know this because I have become adept at these discussions.

I know that "The Law defines Sin". I know that "Especially the Divine Law in Moses" defines Sin. All that I have to quote is 1 John 1:8, stand on it and the Koine Greek and a person is forced to choose their "Type" from the passage about the Phariseee and the Tax Collector.

Where do

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
20 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

You've backed up my stance, in my opinion. This very Law points out "Transgression". It is a Witness Against us. (Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26)

Where exactly is James calling the Ten Commandments the law of stone. I don't think you have a good understanding of the purpose of the Ten Commandments. It is the that defines what sin is when breaking 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 .

You can't take those verses from their entire books and utilize them correctly, IMO. James contrasts what is written as the Law that contains some of the 10 commandments, with what is fully defined as THE ROYAL LAW; "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Period) IMO

I will confess one thing. We have two different opinions that I am willing to make peace with you over and have been, yet one of us is most definitely without "a good understanding of the purpose of the Ten Commandments".

The purpose of the commandments is to show us our sins Rom 3:20

Bingo (Oh Lord, I'm a Sinful man)

and so we are not depending on our righteous way of living but on God's Rom 7:12 Psa 119:172 and our need for Jesus.

We are actually on the same page, so far, with the exception that I would word this as such;

"so we are not depending on our righteous(ness) but... Jesus(')" righteousness.

What you are teaching is the exact opposite of what this passage actually says and what Jesus taught- to not break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19-30 because Jesus will Judge us based on our deeds 2 Cor 5:10 and we will all be Judged by the law of Liberty the Ten Commandments- breaking one, we break them all. James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15

Please show me where I've specified to break any commandments. Also, you are now Holding me to this very Law which you specified;

"The purpose of the commandments is to show us our sins Rom 3:20"

and so we are not depending on our righteous way of living but on God's Rom 7:12 Psa 119:172 and our need for Jesus.

Do you ask that someone "Obeys, Follows, Is compelled to, Must Do" the Commandments to be saved?

Can you please point in scripture where Christ giving a "New" commandment deletes all His other commandments?

One is fulfilled. You quote the verse frequently. Jesus fulfilled the very Law that not one word will pass from until Heaven and Earth pass away.

The other was given specifically as "A NEW COMMANDMENT" right before Jesus died for ALL of our Sins.

Do you really think Jesus didn't know about the greatest commandments in the OT when He repeated them in the NT- it wasn't that they were new, love God and love thy neighbor is the basis of the Ten Commandments. Rom 13:9 Jesus was restating it in a new way, because people are so stiff necked and He would have to say things in a new way in hope people would open to their heart to be obedient to God's commandments.

Saul obeyed these very commandments and 600 plus more better than you or I could ever obey them. He speaks of this.

Philippians 3:2 Watch out for “dogs,” watch out for evil workers, watch out for those who mutilate the flesh. 3 For we are the circumcision, the ones who serve by the Spirit of God, boast in Christ Jesus, and do not put confidence in the flesh— 4 although I once also had confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised the eighth day; of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born of Hebrews; regarding the law, a Pharisee; 6 regarding zeal, persecuting the church; regarding the righteousness that is in the law, blameless.

Sin is what separated us (breaking God's law) Isa 59:2 doing the same thing over and over again that Jesus condemned in scripture is not how we are reconciled.

So, the Law that separates us from God, now doesn't?

The Ten Commandments is the law of Liberty James 2:12 because we are free from the bondage of sin.

Nowhere in James 2 does James define the "Law of Liberty" as the 10 Commandments. You have to ignore direct context to make this leap which is going to fall directly in front of Galatians 4, then be marked as eisegesis. IMO

I can show you where THE ROYAL LAW is specifically defined, without question as "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Period), with direct passage exegesis, which is contained by the period.

If everyone was keeping the Ten Commandments- can you imagine how life would be like.

Do people that have the teachings you uphold not ever break the 10? If I were to search the records, would I find perfect adherence to the 10 commandments within this particular gathering of the Invisible Body? I don't ask this to be rude or difficult, but to instead posit a point that scripture makes, over and over.

Unfortunately we won't know that until He comes back and all sin and sinners will destroyed forever, but through His Spirit, He can help us obey Him John 14:15-18 so we can be reconciled Rev 22:14

"Help us obey".... Obey the Law that Condemns? Jesus died for our sins, defined by a Law that condemned an entire nation that spanned generations, so that we could then be challenged to "Obey that Law that Condemns"?

God was physically in the presence of Israel. That's pretty amazing. Yet, they failed to keep those commands. Do you think that we, no, let's pull the scope down, do you think that your specific theological compatriots can keep those commands better than Israel?

I will only point out that by your own admission, one could keep 9 of the 10 perfectly, yet if they fail at one point are guilty of breaking it all. What is your opinion on this?

I am willing to simply reconcile that we are Brother's in Jesus and chalk this up to agreement to disagree. I will follow your lead on this discussion in this matter.

 

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I have to be honest with you, this is eisegesis. The poetry, repetition and driving verbiage makes it specifically about the Law of 10. I know for a fact that asking you what was born on Sinai per Galatians 4 forces you to step aside from context. (In my humble opinion)

Not just the Ten Commandments was at Mt Sinai, the law Moses wrote down in a book that was placed outside the ark Deut 31:24-26 was also given at My Sinai, but it was a separate law from the Ten Commandments Deut 5:22 Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 that served a different purpose.

Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.

Where people go wrong in NT, mainly Paul’s writing, is they don’t have a good foundation on the differences between the Ten Commandments and all other laws. Paul only uses the word “law” and we need to go by the context of the passage and understand the law that is perfect Psa 19:7 and is holy and blessed can never turn into the law that is contrary or against. Paul also never goes against the teachings of Jesus or goes against what God commands.

Could you please quote James and James alone where he says this. Be prepared to receive that precise place exegeted back, because it is already exegeted per context. (IMO)

James 2:1-7 is James discussing people showing favoritisms about dress in regards to what seat they are given and God doesn’t judge poor or rich and then James transitions into contrasting that with the law. I’ve already provided this scripture multiples times- I would suggest to prayerfully read this, it truly cannot be made any clearer

James first talks about the Royal Law- “you shall love your neighbor as yourself” Which Paul also quotes summarizing the commandments from the Ten on how we are to love they neighbor Rom 13:9

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

Then James transitions into the law of Liberty, the Ten Commandments- only quoting and contrasting from the Ten Commandments- no other law

10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, (God in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20) “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Saying its what we will be Judged by- which reconciles with the rest of scriptures Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15

By Jesus turning the 10 commandments into a matter of heart, He makes it impossible to keep the 10 commandments. I have yet to meet a single person that claims to not infract them per Jesus' personal standards given in the Beatitudes, on a daily basis. I know this because I have become adept at these discussions.

Your opinion noted, but no one is judged based on what we think we know others are or are not doing. Only Jesus is our righteous Judge 2 Cor 5:7

For me I am sticking with the promise of Jesus Christ, He said we can overcome, I place my faith in Him.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

If we stumble we have an Advocate with Jesus when we confess our sins 1 John 1:9 but we need to also forsake our sins Pro 28:13 and when He heals He says go and Sin No More- if this were impossible, Jesus would not tell us to do so. I guess it’s a matter of faith. A Christian can keep God’s commandments through Jesus Christ, its not Jesus who teaches we can’t overcome sin, but the other spirit 1 John 3:8 the commandments are not meant to be grievous 1 John 5:3 and can be kept through Christ by our faith and love Rom 3:31 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12 If there is a commandment you can't keep, give it to Jesus ask His help to overcome.

You've backed up my stance, in my opinion. This very Law points out "Transgression". It is a Witness Against us. (Deuteronomy 4 - Deuteronomy 31:26)

Ten Commandments is not the law of Moses, God alone wrote the Ten Commandments, not Moses.

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Deut 31:26 who is writing here? If you knew you would not try to make the case the Ten Commandments that God alone personally wrote with His own finger was a witness against. Like God could ever personally write anything imperfect, this is a sad teaching. God’s law is perfect Psa 19:7 just as He is.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The Ten Commandments is what defines sin when broken Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 James 2:10 the law of Moses was added because of transgression placed outside the ark of the covenant as a witness against for breaking God’s perfect law the Ten Commandments.

You can't take those verses from their entire books and utilize them correctly, IMO. James contrasts what is written as the Law that contains some of the 10 commandments, with what is fully defined as THE ROYAL LAW; "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Period) IMO

The Royal Law is the Ten Commandments summarized, its not hard to understand

Rom 13:9 9 For the commandments, (Directly quoting from the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20) “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;

The summary does not delete the details why breaking one of the Royal Law- the Ten Commandments- law of Liberty written on God's Authority Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 we break them all. James 2:10-12. They are not multiple choice!

Please show me where I've specified to break any commandments. Also, you are now Holding me to this very Law which you specified;

"The purpose of the commandments is to show us our sins Rom 3:20"

I never said “you” I said people- most people teach we only need to obey nine commandments, forgetting the one commandment God said to Remember or because they need to deal with the one commandment they don’t want to keep would rather remove all of God’s commandments than keep the one they don’t want to. God never wrote nine commandments- He gave them a number Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 for a reason and said Remember one of them because God had the foresight that everyone would forget. I really think we ought to obey God over man. Jesus kept all of them and taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 because He wants us close to us and when we go away from His commandments in lieu of our own rules- our hearts are far from Him Mat 15:31-4 the opposite of the NC.

Nowhere in James 2 does James define the "Law of Liberty" as the 10 Commandments.

What law is James quoting from?

10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it

James then goes on to quote the law he is referring to…

Where do these commandments come from? Do not commit adultery, do not murder- who is the “He who said” James is quoting? Let God guide us in His Word- He truly does so plainly if we allow Him to. Pro 3:5-6

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. (What law was James just quoting from to define the law of Liberty? Because it’s the law that defines sin-not keeping it we stay under the bondage of satan 1 John 3:8, obedience through faith and His power He can free us of that bondage. If one thinks its bondage to keep the Ten Commandments, than we have to consider who we are servants to Rom 6:16

The Ten Commandments written by the finger of God is in fact what we will all be Judged by regardless if one accepts or not - hence why the Ten are under His mercy seat and is revealed in heaven Rev 11:19 Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

We serve and fair and just Savior- He is not going to Judge us without telling us the criteria of what He will Judge us by and He does plainly. James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15

I guess we will have to agree to disagree but hope you will consider in prayer.

God bless.

 

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Not just the Ten Commandments was at Mt Sinai, the law Moses he wrote down in a book that was placed outside the ark Deit 31:24-26 was also given at My Sinai, but it was a separate law from the Ten Commandments Deut 5:22 Exo 34:28 Deut 4:13 that served a different purposes

Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai,
And spoke with them from heaven,
And gave them just ordinances and true laws,
Good statutes and commandments.

You just confirmed Galatians 4 with Neh 9:13. What was born on Sinai. It's all there.

Deuteronomy 4:1 is the beginning of the book of the Law.

Deuteronomy 4:2 is where Moses demands that nothing from the opening phrase to the conclusion that he will speak in Deuteronomy 34:26 is not to be added to or subtracted from.

Deuteronomy 5 is the 10 Commandments

Deuteronomy 4:1 - Deuteronomy 31:26 is the giving of the entire Law that God through Moses commands us to not add or subtract from.

Deuteronomy 31:26 declares this entire collection of Laws, which are also called Ordinances "A Witness AGAINST you". Romans 3:20

James 2:1-7 is James discussing people showing favoritisms about dress in regards to what seat they are given and God doesn’t judge poor or rich and then James transitions into contrasting that with the law. I’ve already provided this scripture multiples times- I would suggest to prayerfully read this, it truly cannot be made any clearer

So, the bible is a book about carnal rules without spiritual teachings? You disagree that James is pointing out that the Self Righteous persecute the Surrendered? Ismael did this to Isaac, as well. That's also in Galatians 4.

James first talks about the Royal Law- “you shall love your neighbor as yourself”

There's a period there. We'll get to Paul.

Which Paul also quotes summarizing the commandments from the Ten on how we are to love they neighbor Rom 13:9

Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked. “Only God is truly good. 19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’”

20 “Teacher,” the man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”

This man is good to go by the 10! Jesus now evokes the same Royal Law that James discusses giving your cloak to your neighbor over.​

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21 Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him. “There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him. “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell, and he went away sad, for he had many possessions.

This is grim. The man treasures his CARNAL RICHES, more than Loving his neighbor as himself. He was good to go by the 10, yet the Royal Law condemns him.​

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Where can I get backup on this?​

Matthew 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Jesus appears to be saying that all of the other Laws bow down to the Royal Law in a way where they are lesser than the Royal Law. Jesus Himself confirms this is the Highest of God's Laws. He separates the entire books of Moses from the Royal Law.​

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Paul is doing the same exact thing. He is saying Love your neighbor as yourself FULFILLS the ENTIRE LAW AND PROPHETS, just like Jesus said that He would "Fulfill" the "Law".​

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What does "Fulfill" mean in your opinion?​

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

Then James transitions into the law of Liberty, the Ten Commandments- only quoting and contrasting from the Ten Commandments- no other law

This isn't true to the text, IMO. One Law "Condemns", while the other yields a Body that doesn't show Favoritism.

The Royal Law which is defined specifically as "You shall Love your neighbor as yourself" is the very Law of Freedom. It is an easy yoke. We admit that we are only saved by the work of Jesus. We are only saved by HIS Righteous life. This levels all believers, no matter where they are in their walk as EQUALS.

The Law of Stone which condemns us as sinners (Romans 3:20) is a mechanism of conviction.

One Law is Loving our neighbor as Jesus Loved us, void of carnal effort.
One Law is Carnal effort that not only condemns us, but condemns our neighbor. If a person stumbles at one point, it's game over.

10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, (God in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20) “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Condemnation. Transgression. No redo's. Stone 10.

12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

If you keep the Royal Law, Love your neighbor as yourself, you do WELL. Law of Liberty, Law of Love, Law of Jesus Christ (A NEW Commandment I give you), Law of the King, Royal Law. THE GOLDEN RULE

Saying its what we will be Judged by- which reconciles with the rest of scriptures Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15

I appreciate your expression of your stance, but I see your verses as personally upholding my stance.

Your opinion noted, but no one is judged based on what we think we know others are or are not doing. Only Jesus is our righteous Judge 2 Cor 5:7

Yet scripture says one Law can be "Done Well" by, while the other specifies that failure at one point brings the entire weight of the Law on people. Haven't you heard people with your system of understanding hold people to the Stone Law by interpreting Hebrews 10 as about the Stone 10? Isn't that placing a burden on someone? I say Belief in Jesus is sufficient. You disagree with this. You place the believer back under the very Law that condemned Christ to death on our behalf, do you not?

Can we judge the heart? Love your neighbor as yourself

Can we judge the flesh? 10 commandments

I would say that I can claim these words as support for my stance in my opinionated way.

For me I am sticking with the promise of Jesus Christ, He said we can overcome, I place my faith in Him.

You have a choice in my opinion. You can choose His Righteous Life that He lived to give to you as a promise of your future salvation unto dwelling with Jesus in your new body which will be void of sin, or... you can attempt the path of Israel, who's body's lay dead in the desert. I'm quoting (Paraphrasing) Hebrews 4, for reference.

John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Context is given in John 13. Jesus is referring to the Royal Law He just Gave to the Apostles. Love your neighbor as I have Loved you. Jesus "FULFILLED" the Commandments for us, so that all we must do is Believe in Him,, and we are given His righteous life, in place of our mountain or log of failures. IMO

If we stumble we have an Advocate with Jesus and when He heals He says go and Sin No More- if this were impossible, Jesus would not tell us to do so.

Israel couldn't "Go and Sin no more" under the 10. The forgiven Adulterous could go and UNBELIEVE no more, just as John verifies when he writes that "The Sin of the world is Unbelief".

I guess it’s a matter of faith. A Christian can keep God’s commandments through Jesus Christ, its not Jesus who teaches we can’t overcome sin, but the other spirit 1 John 3:8 the commandments are not meant to be grevious 1 John 5:3 and can be kept through Christ by our faith and love Rom 3:31 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12

Jesus overcame for us. Paul says we who are in Christ are dead, and it is only counted as Christ living in us, so we can step BOLDLY before the Throne of Grace. (That's a bit of Hebrews and Paul). We don't really know who wrote Hebrews, for certain. If it was Paul, my case is fully supported more than it is already supported, IMHO.

Ten Commandments is not the law of Moses, God alone wrote the Ten Commandments, not Moses.

They were given on Sinai, written in the book of the Law and Moses gave them to Israel, acting as a mediator of God. This does make them commandments of Moses, from Israel's perspective. They call the entire Pentateuch "Moses". The 10 were given in "Moses".

Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He (God) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

They are called "The ministry of Death, etched in stone". Who has the power of death, according to Hebrews 2:14? Why was that brought up to Hebrews?

Deut 31:26 who is writing here? If you knew you would not try to make the case the Ten Commandments that God alone personally wrote with His own finger was a witness against. Like God could ever personally write anything imperfect, this is a sad teaching. God’s law is perfect Psa 19:7 just as He is.

Jesus wrote a higher Law in the dust of the earth which He created, before a transgressor of the Stone 10, to forgive her, after driving away people that wanted to kill her per the Stone 10.

Jesus says Mercy triumphs over judgment. (Romans 3:20)

You have said that the Law shows that we have sin. I then say that Jesus forgave ALL sin, thus suggesting that "He Who knew no sin, became all Sin for us, so that us, the sinful, could be DECLARED Righteous (Justified) in God's sight.

You suggest I should be sad, but I am overjoyed and bound to Christ for eternity by the gratitude that this brings from within me. This is my humble opinion.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

It starts with Deut 4:1, has Moses say in Deut 4:2 that we are not to add or subtract from this per God and concludes in Deut 31:26

This said, this creates bookends. The 10 are enclosed with all of the other laws inside those bookends. This means that they are indeed a Witness against us. 1 Cor 15:54,55,56 and Heb 2:14

The Ten Commandments is what defines sin when broken Rom 7:7 1 John 3:4 James 2:10 the law of Moses was added because of transgression placed outside the ark of the covenant as a witness against for breaking God’s law the Ten Commandments.

So the witness is against itself? Can satan stand against satan? What I mean is, by your quotation of Romans 3:20, you say that the Law shows we sin.

Can you think of a major scriptural event that took care of our sin problem? Didn't something MASSIVE happen that forgave these sins? I'm not being rude or difficult but simply expressing thoughts that I have as I am replying.

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The Royal Law is the Ten Commandments summarized, its not hard to understand and one only misses it if they want to.

Rom 13:9 9 For the commandments, (Directly quoting from the Ten Commandments in Exodus 20) “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

"Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law"

This is the follow through of Romans 13. God is Love. Jesus said He was going to Fulfill the Law. Jesus died and in doing so, fulfilled the Law. By Loving our neighbor as Jesus commanded, we are IN JESUS and thus His fulfillment of the Law is counted towards our entire life.

James 2 shows how to fall from Grace, like Galatians also warns against doing. IMO

The summary does not delete the details why breaking one of the Royal Law- the Ten Commandments- law of Liberty written on God'sAuthority Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 we break them all.


James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;

Jesus fulfilled the Stone Law, by fulfilling the Royal Law. His easy yoke unto us is "You shall Love your neighbor as yourself".

I never said you I said people- most people teach we only need to obey nine commandments, forgetting the one commandments God said to Remember. God never wrote nine commandments- He gave them a number Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28 for a reason and said Remember because God had the foresight that everyone would forget.

Jesus fulfilled the Law of Stone. He gave a new Law.

What law is James quoting from?

10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it

Stone Law

James then goes on to quote the law he is referring to…

Where do these commandments come from?

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

James is saying don't use this Law against yourself or neighbor as it leads to condemnation (Romans 3:20) IMO

12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

This is "Love your neighbor as yourself". It's in contrast to the Stone Law. It brings the freedom of sharing God's Love as a son, instead of a slave that is bound to obedience of the stone law. Love does it's neighbor no harm. (Quoting Paul)

Ask the Adulterous that Jesus saved what her opinion of the Stone Law is. IMO

(What law was James quoting from? Where is the He who said not not murder and do not commit adultery He used as an example?

Stone Law

When scripture defines something as it does so clearly in this passage, it best not to go some where else its not quoting and ignore what it says plainly.. This is not how we allow God to direct our path. Psa 3:5-6

Jesus can do this. Or, we can keep trying to eek out carnal failure. It's a personal choice. IMO

The Ten Commandments written by the finger of God is in fact what we will all be Judged by regardless if one accepts or not - hence why the Ten are under His mercy seat and is reveled in heaven Rev 11:19

The writing before the Adulterous, in the dust of the earth, in contrast to the stone Law which condemned her, written by God incarnate who Bled and Died to save us from the Condemnation that comes from the Law of Sin and Death, chiseled in letters of stone. IMO

We serve and fair and just Savior- He is not going to Judge us without telling us the criteria of what He will Judge us by and He does plainly. James 2:10-12 Ecc 12:13-14 Mat 5:19-30 Rev 22:14-15

The verses are out of context, per your usage, only by my personal opinion. I imagine the parable of the sheep and the goats is as clear as it gets, but that's just me. IMO

 

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"Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law"

This is the follow through of Romans 13. God is Love. Jesus said He was going to Fulfill the Law. Jesus died and in doing so, fulfilled the Law. By Loving our neighbor as Jesus commanded, we are IN JESUS and thus His fulfillment of the Law is counted towards our entire life.

James 2 shows how to fall from Grace, like Galatians also warns against doing. IMO

Jesus fulfilled the Stone Law, by fulfilling the Royal Law. His easy yoke unto us is "You shall Love your neighbor as yourself".

Jesus fulfilled the Law of Stone. He gave a new Law.

Stone Law

James is saying don't use this Law against yourself or neighbor as it leads to condemnation (Romans 3:20) IMO

This is "Love your neighbor as yourself". It's in contrast to the Stone Law. It brings the freedom of sharing God's Love as a son, instead of a slave that is bound to obedience of the stone law. Love does it's neighbor no harm. (Quoting Paul)

Ask the Adulterous that Jesus saved what her opinion of the Stone Law is. IMO

Stone Law

Jesus can do this. Or, we can keep trying to eek out carnal failure. It's a personal choice. IMO

The writing before the Adulterous, in the dust of the earth, in contrast to the stone Law which condemned her, written by God incarnate who Bled and Died to save us from the Condemnation that comes from the Law of Sin and Death, chiseled in letters of stone. IMO

The verses are out of context, per your usage, only by my personal opinion. I imagine the parable of the sheep and the goats is as clear as it gets, but that's just me. IMO

Do you think it would be harmful to our relationship with God to worship other gods? Is this the law Jesus was referring that He died on the Cross so we can now worship other gods, or bow to false idols and no longer harmful to our neighbor to murder them or to steal from them or break the least of these commandments? Is this what you think Jesus died on the cross for us, so we have no standard of righteous living and can make up our own rules and throw out everything Jesus taught and lived for our example? If Jesus died so we could stay in our sinful state, He would have never had to of died. We are not saved in our sins, we are saved from sin Mat 1:21 staying in our sinful state is only leading one down the wrong path Heb 10:26-30.

Anyway, you seem set on your beliefs and no one will convince me we can break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 so I guess it will all get sorted out soon enough.

 

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You just confirmed Galatians 4 with Neh 9:13. What was born on Sinai. It's all there.

Deuteronomy 4:1 is the beginning of the book of the Law.

Deuteronomy 4:2 is where Moses demands that nothing from the opening phrase to the conclusion that he will speak in Deuteronomy 34:26 is not to be added to or subtracted from.

Deuteronomy 5 is the 10 Commandments

Deuteronomy 4:1 - Deuteronomy 31:26 is the giving of the entire Law that God through Moses commands us to not add or subtract from.

Deuteronomy 31:26 declares this entire collection of Laws, which are also called Ordinances "A Witness AGAINST you". Romans 3:20

So, the bible is a book about carnal rules without spiritual teachings? You disagree that James is pointing out that the Self Righteous persecute the Surrendered? Ismael did this to Isaac, as well. That's also in Galatians 4.

There's a period there. We'll get to Paul.

Mark 10:18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked. “Only God is truly good. 19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’”

20 “Teacher,” the man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”

This man is good to go by the 10! Jesus now evokes the same Royal Law that James discusses giving your cloak to your neighbor over.​

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21 Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him. “There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him. “Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell, and he went away sad, for he had many possessions.

This is grim. The man treasures his CARNAL RICHES, more than Loving his neighbor as himself. He was good to go by the 10, yet the Royal Law condemns him.​

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Where can I get backup on this?​

Matthew 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Jesus appears to be saying that all of the other Laws bow down to the Royal Law in a way where they are lesser than the Royal Law. Jesus Himself confirms this is the Highest of God's Laws. He separates the entire books of Moses from the Royal Law.​

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Paul is doing the same exact thing. He is saying Love your neighbor as yourself FULFILLS the ENTIRE LAW AND PROPHETS, just like Jesus said that He would "Fulfill" the "Law".​

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What does "Fulfill" mean in your opinion?​

This isn't true to the text, IMO. One Law "Condemns", while the other yields a Body that doesn't show Favoritism.

The Royal Law which is defined specifically as "You shall Love your neighbor as yourself" is the very Law of Freedom. It is an easy yoke. We admit that we are only saved by the work of Jesus. We are only saved by HIS Righteous life. This levels all believers, no matter where they are in their walk as EQUALS.

The Law of Stone which condemns us as sinners (Romans 3:20) is a mechanism of conviction.

One Law is Loving our neighbor as Jesus Loved us, void of carnal effort.
One Law is Carnal effort that not only condemns us, but condemns our neighbor. If a person stumbles at one point, it's game over.

Condemnation. Transgression. No redo's. Stone 10.

If you keep the Royal Law, Love your neighbor as yourself, you do WELL. Law of Liberty, Law of Love, Law of Jesus Christ (A NEW Commandment I give you), Law of the King, Royal Law. THE GOLDEN RULE

I appreciate your expression of your stance, but I see your verses as personally upholding my stance.

Yet scripture says one Law can be "Done Well" by, while the other specifies that failure at one point brings the entire weight of the Law on people. Haven't you heard people with your system of understanding hold people to the Stone Law by interpreting Hebrews 10 as about the Stone 10? Isn't that placing a burden on someone? I say Belief in Jesus is sufficient. You disagree with this. You place the believer back under the very Law that condemned Christ to death on our behalf, do you not?

Can we judge the heart? Love your neighbor as yourself

Can we judge the flesh? 10 commandments

I would say that I can claim these words as support for my stance in my opinionated way.

You have a choice in my opinion. You can choose His Righteous Life that He lived to give to you as a promise of your future salvation unto dwelling with Jesus in your new body which will be void of sin, or... you can attempt the path of Israel, who's body's lay dead in the desert. I'm quoting (Paraphrasing) Hebrews 4, for reference.

Context is given in John 13. Jesus is referring to the Royal Law He just Gave to the Apostles. Love your neighbor as I have Loved you. Jesus "FULFILLED" the Commandments for us, so that all we must do is Believe in Him,, and we are given His righteous life, in place of our mountain or log of failures. IMO

Israel couldn't "Go and Sin no more" under the 10. The forgiven Adulterous could go and UNBELIEVE no more, just as John verifies when he writes that "The Sin of the world is Unbelief".

Jesus overcame for us. Paul says we who are in Christ are dead, and it is only counted as Christ living in us, so we can step BOLDLY before the Throne of Grace. (That's a bit of Hebrews and Paul). We don't really know who wrote Hebrews, for certain. If it was Paul, my case is fully supported more than it is already supported, IMHO.

They were given on Sinai, written in the book of the Law and Moses gave them to Israel, acting as a mediator of God. This does make them commandments of Moses, from Israel's perspective. They call the entire Pentateuch "Moses". The 10 were given in "Moses".

They are called "The ministry of Death, etched in stone". Who has the power of death, according to Hebrews 2:14? Why was that brought up to Hebrews?

Jesus wrote a higher Law in the dust of the earth which He created, before a transgressor of the Stone 10, to forgive her, after driving away people that wanted to kill her per the Stone 10.

Jesus says Mercy triumphs over judgment. (Romans 3:20)

You have said that the Law shows that we have sin. I then say that Jesus forgave ALL sin, thus suggesting that "He Who knew no sin, became all Sin for us, so that us, the sinful, could be DECLARED Righteous (Justified) in God's sight.

You suggest I should be sad, but I am overjoyed and bound to Christ for eternity by the gratitude that this brings from within me. This is my humble opinion.

It starts with Deut 4:1, has Moses say in Deut 4:2 that we are not to add or subtract from this per God and concludes in Deut 31:26

This said, this creates bookends. The 10 are enclosed with all of the other laws inside those bookends. This means that they are indeed a Witness against us. 1 Cor 15:54,55,56 and Heb 2:14

So the witness is against itself? Can satan stand against satan? What I mean is, by your quotation of Romans 3:20, you say that the Law shows we sin.

Can you think of a major scriptural event that took care of our sin problem? Didn't something MASSIVE happen that forgave these sins? I'm not being rude or difficult but simply expressing thoughts that I have as I am replying.

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The ministry of death is sin Rom 6:23 God‘s law is holy, just and righteous Rom 7:12 Psa 119:172. It’s not the law that is the problem, it’s sin- breaking God’s law that is. All the law does is point out our sins and our need for a Savior who forgives us when we confess and helps us to overcome when we love and have faith in Him John 14:15-18 Those who are an enmity against God are not subject to God’s law Rom 8:7-8 so its a matter of who we serve Rom 6:16

 

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The ministry of death is sin Rom 6:23 God‘s law is holy, just and righteous Rom 7:12 Psa 119:172. It’s not the law that is the problem, it’s sin- breaking God’s law that is. All the law does is point out our sins and our need for a Savior who forgives us when we confess and helps us to overcome when we love and have faith in Him John 14:15-18 Those who are an enmity against God are not subject to God’s law Rom 8:7-8 so its a matter of who we serve Rom 6:16

2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stones,...
Hebrews 2:14 Because God's children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death.

The Devil is the one who "had" the power of DEATH

1 Corinthians 15:54 Death has been swallowed up in victory.

55 Death, where is your victory?​

Death, where is your sting?​

56 Now the sting of death is sin,​

and the power of sin is the law.​

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The "Good Law", was used as a tool by Satan against Mankind to condemn them to DEATH, by the power of Sin, defined by THE NOMOS. Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death

The Royal Law is the Law of the Spirit. The Stone is specifically associated with Death.

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1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! (FULFILLED THE LAW of Sin and Death)

 

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2 Corinthians 3:7 Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stones,...
Hebrews 2:14 Because God's children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death.

The Devil is the one who "had" the power of DEATH

1 Corinthians 15:54 Death has been swallowed up in victory.

55 Death, where is your victory?​

Death, where is your sting?​

56 Now the sting of death is sin,​

and the power of sin is the law.​

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The "Good Law", was used as a tool by Satan against Mankind to condemn them to DEATH, by the power of Sin, defined by THE NOMOS.

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1 Corinthians 15:57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ! (FULFILLED THE LAW of Sin and Death)

The law of sin and death is not the Ten Commandments, that is the law of Liberty James 2:10-12. in 2 Cor 3 Paul is contrasting the letter verses the Spirit. Its why we have this warning on Paul's writing 2 Peter 3:16 especially when we use Paul's teachings to contradict the teachings John 14:15-18 Mat 5:19-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 and example of Jesus John 15:10 1 John 2:6

I would go through these passages with you if I felt it would make a difference, but sadly, no context that has been brought in so far, has really even been addressed so I think we are at an impasse and all gets sorted out soon enough.