Did Jesus die on the day they killed the paschal lamb?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You’re wrong. That’s all. The only thing you’ve ever proven is that you’re unwilling to accept blatant scripture. And you still haven’t answered to them. You avoid it because you’re wrong and you know it. Mark and Luke have no alternate interpretation. If they do, prove it.

I have proven it MANY times to you in the past. I accept scripture, just not your incorrect interpretation of them.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

In Judaism, a lamb was sacrificed on the afternoon of the 14th of Nisan, the eve of Passover, in the courtyard of the Temple in Jerusalem.

The 14th is Passover. The 15th is the 1st day of unleavened bread festival. Leviticus 23:5-6

 

[tonychanyt]

Yes, if you accept John's account - John 19:14. Jesus died on Nisan 14, the Day of Preparation, which is when the lambs were slaughtered for consumption on the Passover.

Can you quote my words in the OP and contradict them?

 

[AFrazier]

I have proven it MANY times to you in the past. I accept scripture, just not your incorrect interpretation of them.

Address the scriptures. They say he ate the Passover. You say he died on the Passover. If I’m misinterpreting Mark and Luke, then elaborate and explain where my alleged error is.

Matthew, Mark, and Luke make the following statements concerning the day leading up to the Last Supper:

1) It was the first day of unleavened bread.
2) It was the day when they killed the Passover.
3) Peter and John were sent by Jesus to make ready the Passover.
4) Peter and John made ready the Passover.
5) The goodman of the house was to be told that Jesus would keep the Passover at his house.

That is what they say. You saying that I’m wrong doesn’t make me wrong. You saying that I’m misinterpreting them doesn’t mean that I am. You saying that you’ve proven me wrong doesn’t mean you have. We only go ‘round and ‘round on this because you are determining your chronology theologically. The gospels say that he ate the Passover. The evidence demonstrates that it is you who is misinterpreting. And with as many times as I’ve shown you those same passages, and you still choose not to acknowledge what they say, you are ignoring scriptures.

Moving forward, I’m going to simply declare you wrong. The arguments fall on deaf ears with you.

If I’m wrong, prove it.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Address the scriptures. They say he ate the Passover. You say he died on the Passover. If I’m misinterpreting Mark and Luke, then elaborate and explain where my alleged error is.

Matthew, Mark, and Luke make the following statements concerning the day leading up to the Last Supper:

1) It was the first day of unleavened bread.
2) It was the day when they killed the Passover.
3) Peter and John were sent by Jesus to make ready the Passover.
4) Peter and John made ready the Passover.
5) The goodman of the house was to be told that Jesus would keep the Passover at his house.

That is what they say. You saying that I’m wrong doesn’t make me wrong. You saying that I’m misinterpreting them doesn’t mean that I am. You saying that you’ve proven me wrong doesn’t mean you have. We only go ‘round and ‘round on this because you are determining your chronology theologically. The gospels say that he ate the Passover. The evidence demonstrates that it is you who is misinterpreting. And with as many times as I’ve shown you those same passages, and you still choose not to acknowledge what they say, you are ignoring scriptures.

Moving forward, I’m going to simply declare you wrong. The arguments fall on deaf ears with you.

If I’m wrong, prove it.

The 1st of unleavened is the 15th. Just saying that, proves you wrong (among MANY other reasons that I have pointed out to you in the past). If you do not know why, you should. Because you do not, explains why you say the things you do. The only thing you have proven is that you do not understand 2nd Temple or biblical Judaism, fulfillments or the Prophets. Paul in 1 Corinthians 5:7 proves you wrong too.

 

[Ace777]

They say he ate the Passover.

So the last supper was lamb? It was more then just bread and wine.

 

[notRusskiyMir]

Can you quote my words in the OP and contradict them?

No. Your post is too messy. You state he died on Nissan 14 - my sources agree, yet you say that is not the day the lambs were slaughtered. Explain that.
This is the link explaining how Jewish Passover is celebrated on Nisan 15 and that the lambs were killed on Nissan 14.

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No. Your post is too messy. You state he died on Nisan 14 - my sources agree, yet you say that is not the day the lambs were slaughtered. Explain that.
This is the link explaining how Jewish Passover is celebrated on Nisan 15 and that the lambs were killed on Nisan 14.

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

1 Corinthians 5:7

 

[ralliann]

You are the only one denying scripture. You are a broken record. We have been through all of this before and I proved you wrong. You conveniently skip anything by John. The passover lamb was killed on the 14th, not on the 1st of Chag HaMatzot (the 15th). So either scripture is wrong or you are. I pick YOU. Do you have no idea what the 15th was? Oy vey!

John does not even speak of unleavened bread. When he speaks of that feast, he speaks of it as Passover.
1. The feast of unleavened bread was called Passover.....
Lu 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.
2. John called the feast, Passover......
Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
3. The seder here is spoken of as before the feast of Passover.....
1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

John does not even speak of unleavened bread. When he speaks of that feast, he speaks of it as Passover.
1. The feast of unleavened bread was called Passover.....
Lu 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.
2. John called the feast, Passover......
Joh 6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
3. The seder here is spoken of as before the feast of Passover.....
1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s

Some call the entire feast (Passover + the days of unleavened) as the feast of Passover, especially when speaking BEFORE those days occur.

 

[ralliann]

Some call the entire feast (Passover + the days of unleavened) as the feast of Passover,

Yes, but specifically John. He does not even mention unleavened bread at all. Neither as a feast, nor days of unleavened bread...as do the other new testament scripture.

especially when speaking BEFORE those days occur.

The days of unleavened bread are from the evening of the 14th day, until the evening of the 21st day.
Ex 12:18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel,

The first day of the feast is the 15th day.
Le 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

The night of seder (Eating) belongs to the 14th day. None was to remain in the morning

Ex 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S passover.

The festival sacrifices for a day began in the morning of the 15th day till the morning of the twenty first day. Reckoned feast days were the daily sacrifices morning and evening.

 

[notRusskiyMir]

1 Corinthians 5:7

Yes. He was sacrificed for us on Nissan 14.

 

[notRusskiyMir]

Yes, but specifically John. He does not even mention unleavened bread at all. Neither as a feast, nor days of unleavened bread...as do the other new testament scripture.

The days of unleavened bread are from the evening of the 14th day, until the evening of the 21st day.
Ex 12:18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel,

The first day of the feast is the 15th day.
Le 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

The night of seder (Eating) belongs to the 14th day. None was to remain in the morning

Ex 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S passover.

The festival sacrifices for a day began in the morning of the 15th day till the morning of the twenty first day. Reckoned feast days were the daily sacrifices morning and evening.

For clarity, ....

The days of unleavened bread are from the evening of the 14th day,

"the evening of the 14th day", is the start of Nissan 15. The days start in the evening at sundown.
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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes, but specifically John. He does not even mention unleavened bread at all. Neither as a feast, nor days of unleavened bread...as do the other new testament scripture.

The days of unleavened bread are from the evening of the 14th day, until the evening of the 21st day.
Ex 12:18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
19 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel,

The first day of the feast is the 15th day.
Le 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

The night of seder (Eating) belongs to the 14th day. None was to remain in the morning

Ex 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD’S passover.

The festival sacrifices for a day began in the morning of the 15th day till the morning of the twenty first day. Reckoned feast days were the daily sacrifices morning and evening.

Um, John was a Jew so he would have known that. The days of unleavened are from the 15th (sundown on the 14th) to the 21st.

 

[ralliann]

For clarity, ....

"the evening of the 14th day", is the start of Nissan 15. The days start in the evening at sundown.
"

The start of the CALENDER Day begins at night. The days of unleavened bread begin in the evening of the 14th calendar day..... A liturgical day is from morning to evening.
"daily" sacrifices.....

Le 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Num 28:1 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, My offering, and my bread for my sacrifices made by fire, for a sweet savour unto me, shall ye observe to offer unto me in their due season. {a sweet … : Heb. a savour of my rest }
3 And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering. {day by day: Heb. in a day }
4 The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even; {at even: Heb. between the two evenings }


Nu 28:23 Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.

Nu 28:24 After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
Nu 28:31 Ye shall offer them beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, (they shall be unto you without blemish) and their drink offerings.

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

 

[notRusskiyMir]

The start of the CALENDER Day begins at night. The days of unleavened bread begin in the evening of the 14th calendar day..... A liturgical day is from morning to evening.
"daily" sacrifices.....

Le 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Num 28:1 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, My offering, and my bread for my sacrifices made by fire, for a sweet savour unto me, shall ye observe to offer unto me in their due season. {a sweet … : Heb. a savour of my rest }
3 And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering. {day by day: Heb. in a day }
4 The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even; {at even: Heb. between the two evenings }


Nu 28:23 Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.

Nu 28:24 After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
Nu 28:31 Ye shall offer them beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, (they shall be unto you without blemish) and their drink offerings.

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Once again, please see this:

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The start of the CALENDER Day begins at night. The days of unleavened bread begin in the evening of the 14th calendar day..... A liturgical day is from morning to evening.
"daily" sacrifices.....

Le 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Num 28:1 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, My offering, and my bread for my sacrifices made by fire, for a sweet savour unto me, shall ye observe to offer unto me in their due season. {a sweet … : Heb. a savour of my rest }
3 And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering. {day by day: Heb. in a day }
4 The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even; {at even: Heb. between the two evenings }


Nu 28:23 Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.

Nu 28:24 After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
Nu 28:31 Ye shall offer them beside the continual burnt offering, and his meat offering, (they shall be unto you without blemish) and their drink offerings.

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

You are taking things out of context. It clearly says "On the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the Lord. lAnd on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days. "

 

[ralliann]

Um, John was a Jew so he would have known that. The days of unleavened are from the 15th (sundown on the 14th) to the 21st.

The days of unleavened bread are from the evening of the 14th day, to the evening of the 21st day.

 

[ralliann]

Once again, please see this:

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

Please read on.....
In temple times..........

"A Long Day​

Also note that, in a certain sense, the celebration of the 15th is considered to be an extension of the 14th. How so? With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.”4 In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought.5

Therefore, when it comes to the celebration of the Passover sacrifice, while it was eaten on the 15th, it was considered to be the same day as the 14th."


After all we are speaking of sacrifices here

 

[notRusskiyMir]

Please read on.....
In temple times..........

"A Long Day​

Also note that, in a certain sense, the celebration of the 15th is considered to be an extension of the 14th. How so? With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.”4 In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought.5

Therefore, when it comes to the celebration of the Passover sacrifice, while it was eaten on the 15th, it was considered to be the same day as the 14th."

You are contradicting the article. The article actually addresses this exact point. It does NOT agree with yours.
Once again:

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm