Pro-Palestinian supporters at Columbia University confront Jews ‘to push them out of camp’

[stevevw]

You mean like in Canada? LOL!

How dare you mock Canada, one of the Wokest nation around lol. An ethnic French prime minister with a Woke multicultural society. But it brings up a good point. Why don't the students protest and condemn the Canadians. Shall we remove all the Canadians and make an Inuit nation. How is todays Canadians responsible for what happened 100.s of years ago.

Then theres the problem that the native inhabitants were not the original people in those lands. For example the South American natives the Inca's and others were originallly Aboriginal decent. That makes Australian Aboriginals the rightful owners of South American.

But wait the Aboriginals were also a mix of tribal groups coming down the land bridge from the Middle East and Africa. If we play this game we can wipe out most nations on planet earth as being settlers.

But then your analogy is a false one anyway as the Isrealites are the indigenous peoples like the Inuits if we say the native Inuits are the original people. It was the Babylonians, Persians, Assyrians and Romans who were the nations and Empires who came in and denied the Jews as settlers and not the Jews.

So in reality the student protestors should be out there standing up for the terrible treatment of the Jews and demanding their recognition. But somehow I can't see such a complete reversal of thinking is going to happen.

 

[BCP1928]

How dare you mock Canada, one of the Wokest nation around lol. An ethnic French prime minister with a Woke multicultural society. But it brings up a good point. Why don't the students protest and condemn the Canadians. Shall we remove all the Canadians and make an Inuit nation. How is todays Canadians responsible for what happened 100.s of years ago.

Canada is woke?

Then theres the problem that the native inhabitants were not the original people in those lands. For example the South American natives the Inca's and others were originallly Aboriginal decent. That makes Australian Aboriginals the rightful owners of South American.

That's an interesting theory. Shall we have the Western Powers decree what is now Chile to be an Abo state? The current residents of Chile might put up a fight but that just means they're evil because of their religion.

But wait the Aboriginals were also a mix of tribal groups coming down the land bridge from the Middle East and Africa. If we play this game we can wipe out most nations on planet earth as being settlers.

But then your analogy is a false one anyway as the Isrealites are the indigenous peoples like the Inuits if we say the native Inuits are the original people. It was the Babylonians, Persians, Assyrians and Romans who were the nations and Empires who came in and denied the Jews as settlers and not the Jews.

They did it with military power. The indigenous people were semites and they are still semites, up until 1948 when there was an influx of Europeans who are not semites.

So in reality the student protestors should be out there standing up for the terrible treatment of the Jews and demanding their recognition. But somehow I can't see such a complete reversal of thinking is going to happen.

Right now they are busy protesting the way in which a secular middle-eastern state is waging war.

 

[stevevw]

Canada is woke?

You don't know. That says something. Yes Canada is regarded as one of the most Woke progressive societies as far as the government policies and laws such as legalisation of hard drugs which has led to increased drug problems, overdoses. homelessness and crime on the streets.

Breaches of Freedom of speech and cancel culture where people are afraid to speak their minds in fear of repercussions. Identity, Gender and DEI politics dividing people. Governments freezing peoples bank accounts for merely expressing their right to protest. State control of media and information as to what people can view or say. And of course radical Green policies.

That's an interesting theory. Shall we have the Western Powers decree what is now Chile to be an Abo state?

Thats not very Woke. Aboriginals regard the term 'Abo' to be offensive. But why not. While the protestors are at it they can also protest their own nations and the rights of the Indigenous peoples or whoever makes the biggest claim for being there first. They can also start by giving up their homes and land for the cause lol. Afterall unless their are the first peoples they are on occupied lands.

The current residents of Chile might put up a fight but that just means they're evil because of their religion.

No because the Chilians can cite a long, long history of being in that land, archeological history and text. Part of their ethnicity is Aboriginal and that became part of the mix for that culture in that land. The Aboriginals who stayed in Australia developed their own culture. Two destinct cultures though having some similar ancestory. A bit like taxonomy in evolution.

Just like the Isrealites who formed out of a mix of ethnics in Canaan and developed a unique culture and people for that area. They may have some different ethnicity in the mix originally but then they went on to become a destinct nation of people.

They did it with military power. The indigenous people were semites and they are still semites, up until 1948 when there was an influx of Europeans who are not semites.

The Semites are like the Canaanites a general term for people who lived in tribes and were nomads sometimes forming cities but not States or Nations. Just like originally people from the land mass of Europe were generally Europeans or from Africa were Africans. Until they gradually evolved into nations of people.

We even have new nations with Africa still forming as recent as the 20th century. Many of those new nations originally consisted of mixed ethnic groups but a new culture and nation was formed out of those people.

Then if we want to go back further then all lands were of mixed ethnics originally. Thats the whole point. Out of these mixed peoples comes unique cultures and nations. For the Levant it was the Isrealites, for Anatolia it was the Greeks and Turks for example and for north Africa it was the Egyptians and Algerians with South Sudan only being made a nation in 2011.

Right now they are busy protesting the way in which a secular middle-eastern state is waging war.

No they are not. From the very day Hamas crossed into Isreal and massacred Isrealis the protestors were celebrating and attacking Isreal and the Jews.

The fact that you frame it as some sort of war rather than the right for a nation to defend itself against terrorism thats been at their doorstep for decades shows people are tyreating the Isrealis differently.

If it was unbiased and just about a bully nation coming starting a war on innocents then the protestors should be also if not instead of protesting again the war in Yemen where 10's of thousands of innocents have been killed for no reason other than they ethnicity. Thats genocide. They protest genocide so why are they not protesting against one of the greatest genocides happening right now.

There are probably 10 or 20 conflicts of greatest harm and outright inhuman treatment. In fact right now Christians in certain nations like Africa are being killed at genocidal levels and yet not one word of protest. Reeks of antisemetism where one ethnic group is singled out for scrutiny more than others simply because of their race or belief.

Heck why arn't the leaders of the protests and the university heads addressing the fact that they are doing to the Jewish students in their own backyards what they claim the Isrealis are doing to the Palestinians. Making their lives hell, making them fear for their lives, being physically harassed and death threats, calling for their extenction. You have to fist take the log out of your own eye before you try to take the speck out of anothers.

 

[BCP1928]

How dare you mock Canada, one of the Wokest nation around lol. An ethnic French prime minister with a Woke multicultural society. But it brings up a good point. Why don't the students protest and condemn the Canadians. Shall we remove all the Canadians and make an Inuit nation. How is todays Canadians responsible for what happened 100.s of years ago.

Canada is woke? Are you sure? Maybe there is another Canada down there by you somewhere that's woke. The Canada up here by us is still pretty conventional and ordinary.

Then theres the problem that the native inhabitants were not the original people in those lands. For example the South American natives the Inca's and others were originallly Aboriginal decent. That makes Australian Aboriginals the rightful owners of South American.

But wait the Aboriginals were also a mix of tribal groups coming down the land bridge from the Middle East and Africa. If we play this game we can wipe out most nations on planet earth as being settlers.

So much for ancient residency being the basis of legitimacy of a modern secular state.

But then your analogy is a false one anyway as the Isrealites are the indigenous peoples like the Inuits if we say the native Inuits are the original people. It was the Babylonians, Persians, Assyrians and Romans who were the nations and Empires who came in and denied the Jews as settlers and not the Jews.

The region had been inhabited for a long time before there was any notion of an "Israelite"

So in reality the student protestors should be out there standing up for the terrible treatment of the Jews and demanding their recognition. But somehow I can't see such a complete reversal of thinking is going to happen.

There are already people like that out protesting. Some are protesting both Hamas and Israel.

 

[stevevw]

Canada is woke? Are you sure? Maybe there is another Canada down there by you somewhere that's woke. The Canada up here by us is still pretty conventional and ordinary.

No there's only one Canada and since Trudeau has taken over its become Woke.

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So much for ancient residency being the basis of legitimacy of a modern secular state.

Ancient residency, what does that even mean. Under a mixed tribal and ethnic nomads how do you even determine what actual nation people belong to apart from the actual nations that evolved out of the land.

There is only one nation that evolved out of the Levant. Look at lebenon or Jordan. They exist next to Isreal. They also were a mix of people before they became nations. What is the difference between them and Isreal.

The region had been inhabited for a long time before there was any notion of an "Israelite"

Yes but there was no nations that had formed. Just like in other areas of the world like within Europe where nations like Germany, Austria, the Czechs, Hungary ect which were hunter gathers and ealr European farmers. They then gradually formed nations. The Czechs only formed after the 1st world war so would have a mixture of ethnics who may have a different nationality to what the Czechs have.

Out of the region of the Levant only one nation evolved and that was the Irealites. There was no other nation of people but rather scattered tribes and nomads. This idea that there were some other mixed ethnics who have more right than Isreal is unreal because under that logic every nation had mixed ethnics before they became nations.

There are already people like that out protesting. Some are protesting both Hamas and Israel.

Well why don't we see them with the same level of passion creating tent encampments, marching through the streets and becoming violent. We don't see any protesting say Yemen in the same level in Universities. No just Isreal or just Isreal with the level of anger and vitriole towards Isreal and the Jews.

Its hypocracy. No other nation on earth has garnered the same level of attention and attacks on them as Isreal.

 

[BCP1928]

No there's only one Canada and since Trudeau has taken over its become Woke.

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Ancient residency, what does that even mean. Under a mixed tribal and ethnic nomads how do you even determine what actual nation people belong to apart from the actual nations that evolved out of the land.

There is only one nation that evolved out of the Levant. Look at lebenon or Jordan. They exist next to Isreal. They also were a mix of people before they became nations. What is the difference between them and Isreal.

Yes but there was no nations that had formed. Just like in other areas of the world like within Europe where nations like Germany, Austria, the Czechs, Hungary ect which were hunter gathers and ealr European farmers. They then gradually formed nations. The Czechs only formed after the 1st world war so would have a mixture of ethnics who may have a different nationality to what the Czechs have.

Out of the region of the Levant only one nation evolved and that was the Irealites. There was no other nation of people but rather scattered tribes and nomads. This idea that there were some other mixed ethnics who have more right than Isreal is unreal because under that logic every nation had mixed ethnics before they became nations.

Well why don't we see them with the same level of passion creating tent encampments, marching through the streets and becoming violent. We don't see any protesting say Yemen in the same level in Universities. No just Isreal or just Isreal with the level of anger and vitriole towards Isreal and the Jews.

Its hypocracy. No other nation on earth has garnered the same level of attention and attacks on them as Isreal.

King Hiram would not have taken kindly to hear his kingdom described as "scattered tribes and nomads".

 

[stevevw]

King Hiram would not have taken kindly to hear his kingdom described as "scattered tribes and nomads".

His Kingdom was originally made upof a mixed Arab and Asiatic nomads, farmers and herders in what was called Canaan. In fact his Kingdom city Tyre which was part of the Phoenician Empire and later became Lebenon. So in some ways Isreal and Lebenon have some similarities in that they formed out of the Canaanites and developed over time being known by other names and peoples and having their territory reshaped until they became modern nations. In fact the Hebrews and King Hiram were contemprories.

If the Phoenicians had an endonym to denote the land overall, some scholars believe that they would have used "Canaan" and therefore referred to themselves as "Canaanites".[20]

Phœnicia, was an ancient Semitic thalassocratic civilization originating in the coastal strip of the Levant region of the eastern Mediterranean, primarily located in modern Lebanon. The Phoenicians directly succeeded the Bronze Age Canaanites. Archaeologist Jonathan N. Tubb argues that "Ammonites, Moabites, Israelites, and Phoenicians undoubtedly achieved their own cultural identities, and yet ethnically they were all Canaanites", "the same people who settled in farming villages in the region in the 8th millennium BC."

But we can go back even further than that to herders and nomads and before that pre pottery Neolthics. But it seems the Canaanites within Pheonesia merged with a migrating people from an even wider Arab ancestry and then before that hunter gatherers and nomads from an even wider area beyond. In fact they may have come from as far as the Erythraean Sea and migrated to the area.

The Canaanite culture that gave rise to the Phoenicians apparently developed in situ from the earlier Ghassulian chalcolithic culture. Ghassulian itself developed from the Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex, which in turn developed from a fusion of their ancestral Natufian and Harifian cultures with Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (PPNB) farming cultures, practicing the domestication of animals during the 8.2 kiloyear event, which led to the Neolithic Revolution in the Levant.

The fourth-century BC Greek historian Herodotus claimed that the Phoenicians had migrated from the Erythraean Sea around 2750 BC and the first-century AD geographer Strabo reports a claim that they came from Tylos and Arad (Bahrain and Muharraq).[38][39][40][41] Some archaeologists working on the Persian Gulf have accepted these traditions and suggest a migration connected with the collapse of the Dilmun civilization c. 1750 BC.

The Pheonesians also setup settlement colonies across the Mediteranian and Africa. So they were what the Woke would called Colonialist denying other cultures their rights.

The Phoenicians established colonies and trading posts across the Mediterranean; Carthage, a settlement in northwest Africa, became a major civilization in its own right in the seventh century BC. Early into the Iron Age, the Phoenicians established ports, warehouses, markets, and settlement all across the Mediterranean and up to the southern Black Sea. Colonies were established on Cyprus, Sardinia, the Balearic Islands, Sicily, and Malta, as well as the coasts of North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula.

Like the Isrealites they to were in war with Egyptian Pharohs and interestingly are mentioned in the same Amarna letters the Isrealites were mentioned in.

The first known account of the Phoenicians relates to the conquests of Pharaoh Thutmose III (1479–1425 BC). The Amarna letters report that from 1350 to 1300 BC, neighboring Amorites and Hittites were capturing Phoenician cities, especially in the north.

This is when King Hiram comes into the picture and coincidently or not it seems both the Phoenesian and Isrealite Kingdoms arose around the same time. In fact King Hiram and later Kings supplied cedar for the Jews in building projects including parts of the Temple.
By the tenth century BC, Tyre rose to become the richest and most powerful Phoenician city-state, particularly during the reign of Hiram I (c. 969–936 BC).[48]
Phoenicia - Wikipedia

The Pheonesians were also under the control of the same Empires and powers as the Isrealites. They were also deported into other lands, they were denied their culture and nationhood at times just like the Isrealites.

Lebenon and Isreal have many similarities in their history and so do other nations around that area. So if Lebenon and these other nations who formed out of a similar mixed people have a right to exist and be a nation so does Isreal.

 

[BCP1928]

The Pheonesians were also under the control of the same Empires and powers as the Isrealites. They were also deported into other lands, they were denied their culture and nationhood at times just like the Isrealites.

Well, at least you admit the Kingdom of Tyre was not just scattered tribes and nomads.

Lebenon and Isreal have many similarities in their history and so do other nations around that area. So if Lebenon and these other nations who formed out of a similar mixed people have a right to exist and be a nation so does Isreal.

Yes, all nations which have been granted sovereignty have the right to defend it. I thought we had covered that already.

 

[stevevw]

Well, at least you admit the Kingdom of Tyre was not just scattered tribes and nomads.

Thats like say the Isrealites were scattered tribes and nomads. Both the Kingdoms of Isreal and Tyre had developed from tribes and nomads in that area. At one point most nations and Kingdoms were just tribes, nomads and hunter gatherers.

So in that sense Tyre and Isreal are similar. Except Tyre went on to become Lebonon and Isreal was Isreal though both went through various forms and setups to get where they are today.

But we don't see that with the Palestinians until recently. The Palestinians are really still the nomads and wanderers of Canaan. They did not formulate a unique culture and nation. But we can't just say because they may trace back to Canaan generally that somehow they were always a nation. It doesn't work that way.

Who were the Palestinians as destinct from the generalised Canaananites. Are they Syrian, Jordanian or may Lebonese. Who were the proto palestinians and who was their nation prior to today. Prior to a 1,000 years ago at the same time the Isrealites and Tyre were formulating. At one stage they were part of Egypt and Jordan I think. Or maybe it was Syria. I don't know. Even top Palestinian Officials say they are originally Syrian I think.

The name Palestine was a general name for the area of Canaan or like the Hykos, Asiatic people from the Levant rather than any specific nation. The Egyptians called the land north east of them Philistine but this related to Aegean people more closely related to the Greeks.

Yes, all nations which have been granted sovereignty have the right to defend it. I thought we had covered that already.

All except Isreal.

 

[BCP1928]

Thats like say the Isrealites were scattered tribes and nomads. Both the Kingdoms of Isreal and Tyre had developed from tribes and nomads in that area. At one point most nations and Kingdoms were just tribes, nomads and hunter gatherers.

So in that sense Tyre and Isreal are similar. Except Tyre went on to become Lebonon and Isreal was Isreal though both went through various forms and setups to get where they are today.

But we don't see that with the Palestinians until recently. The Palestinians are really still the nomads and wanderers of Canaan. They did not formulate a unique culture and nation. But we can't just say because they may trace back to Canaan generally that somehow they were always a nation. It doesn't work that way.

Who were the Palestinians as destinct from the generalised Canaananites. Are they Syrian, Jordanian or may Lebonese. Who were the proto palestinians and who was their nation prior to today. Prior to a 1,000 years ago at the same time the Isrealites and Tyre were formulating. At one stage they were part of Egypt and Jordan I think. Or maybe it was Syria. I don't know. Even top Palestinian Officials say they are originally Syrian I think.

The name Palestine was a general name for the area of Canaan or like the Hykos, Asiatic people from the Levant rather than any specific nation. The Egyptians called the land north east of them Philistine but this related to Aegean people more closely related to the Greeks.

All except Isreal.

Why do you think Israel is an exception? In any case, the modern sovereign states of Syria, Lebanon and Jordan did not exist prior to 1946.

 

[Hans Blaster]

So in that sense Tyre and Isreal are similar. Except Tyre went on to become Lebonon and Isreal was Isreal though both went through various forms and setups to get where they are today.

Tyre went on to become Tyre. Tyre was and is a city. (There was no unified Phoenician state ever, including an empire.)

 

[stevevw]

Why do you think Israel is an exception?

I don't know. There is no justified reason why Isreal should be singled out as not qualifying as a nation when they had a similar history as other nations like Lebanon. If we go back through history it seems the Isrealite and Jews were for some reasom singled out. Why was it the Jews the Nazi hated.

I think theres some spiritual aspect to the hate for Jews. They were the only ones who followed a single God, Christ is a Jew, the Jews are Gods chosen people, the Jews seem a very sucessful nation when they are allowed to flourish. perhaps theres some envy there as well.

But certainly anyone can see that the Jews are singled out compared to other groups more often and there seems to be this deep seated inherent hatred in people against the Jews which is hard to exactly put your finger on.

In any case, the modern sovereign states of Syria, Lebanon and Jordan did not exist prior to 1946.

Yes but like Lebanon they existed before that and were only recognised in modern times. Tyre was a powerful city and had a Kingdom like Isreal and Judah. It was already developing as a nation. It survived and continued to become a nation and that is why it was recognised eventually.

The same with Syria and Jordan. Though Jordan seems less clear than others as it was once a Jewish Kingdom. But even so Isreal was a nation and it was reduced to what it is just like Lebanon. This is the same for most nations. They went through changes and developed and lasted became more destinguished from other nations and became what we see today.

 

[BCP1928]

I don't know. There is no justified reason why Isreal should be singled out as not qualifying as a nation when they had a similar history as other nations like Lebanon.

Not qualifying as a nation? What are you talking about now? Lebanon was part of the French Mandate and was made a sovereign nation after WW II just like Syria and Jordan. Israel was part of the British mandate and was made a sovereign nation at the same time.

If we go back through history it seems the Isrealite and Jews were for some reasom singled out. Why was it the Jews the Nazi hated.

Because they were an abhorrent variant of Western Culture. Jews have always been hated, and frequently persecuted in the West.

I think theres some spiritual aspect to the hate for Jews. They were the only ones who followed a single God, Christ is a Jew, the Jews are Gods chosen people, the Jews seem a very sucessful nation when they are allowed to flourish. perhaps theres some envy there as well.

But certainly anyone can see that the Jews are singled out compared to other groups more often and there seems to be this deep seated inherent hatred in people against the Jews which is hard to exactly put your finger on.

Yes but like Lebanon they existed before that and were only recognised in modern times. Tyre was a powerful city and had a Kingdom like Isreal and Judah. It was already developing as a nation. It survived and continued to become a nation and that is why it was recognised eventually.

The same with Syria and Jordan. Though Jordan seems less clear than others as it was once a Jewish Kingdom. But even so Isreal was a nation and it was reduced to what it is just like Lebanon. This is the same for most nations. They went through changes and developed and lasted became more destinguished from other nations and became what we see today.

Where are you getting this stuff? It's entirely incoherent. I think you have lost track of the point you are trying to make.

 

[stevevw]

Not qualifying as a nation? What are you talking about now? Lebanon was part of the French Mandate and was made a sovereign nation after WW II just like Syria and Jordan. Israel was part of the British mandate and was made a sovereign nation at the same time.

I mean why people are now calling for Isreal to be cancelled and that they don't have the right to be a nation. Youknow the saying "From the River to the Sea Palestine will be Free". That sort of thing, in universities and other institutions and even within the UN.

You are like others arguing against Isreals history as a nation. People strutinising Isreal as opposed to other nations like Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. Why aren't they protesting against Jordan and how they have treated the Palestinians. How their land has Palestinian origins and questioning their status as a nation. Why is it only Isreal.

Because they were an abhorrent variant of Western Culture.

Are you saying the Jews were an abhorrent variant. I hope not. It doesn't matter how others feel about a race, persecuting people because of percieved attitudes about them as a race is genocidal.

Jews have always been hated, and frequently persecuted in the West.

But why, as far as I understand they have been very sucessful as a people. Often Bankers and they were ussed by Empires for their talent. Great brick layers as well evidently the Egyptians thought so. But they often turned what was a barron and unloved land of Isreal into a beautiful thing. I think people are envious.

Where are you getting this stuff? It's entirely incoherent. I think you have lost track of the point you are trying to make.

I said several things so I am not sure what your talking about. But apart from the first paragraph which is my personal view as to why people hate the Jews so much. There doesn't seem to be any logical reason why there is so much passion and hate for one race so it has to be something deeper within people. Its certainly cultural and political so its about peoples beliefs and ideology.

But the rest is all based on facts. What did I say. Jews are the most persecuted people and theres a deep seated hate. Thats a fact.

Tyre was Lebanon today (fact), They were a Kingdom like Isreal (fact), Jordan was once the Kingdom of Judah (fact).

If you mean the KIngdom of Judah and Jordan, I thought at one point Judah occupied part of Jordan around the westbank. Jordan then annexed it and eventually gave it over to the westbank.

Of course the land became Isreal but they occupied and also won back the westbank and east Jerusalem. Eventually Jordan gave up its rights to the west bank and now its occupied by mostly Palestinians and some Isrealis.

 

[BCP1928]

Thats like say the Isrealites were scattered tribes and nomads. Both the Kingdoms of Isreal and Tyre had developed from tribes and nomads in that area. At one point most nations and Kingdoms were just tribes, nomads and hunter gatherers.

So in that sense Tyre and Isreal are similar. Except Tyre went on to become Lebonon and Isreal was Isreal though both went through various forms and setups to get where they are today.

But we don't see that with the Palestinians until recently. The Palestinians are really still the nomads and wanderers of Canaan. They did not formulate a unique culture and nation. But we can't just say because they may trace back to Canaan generally that somehow they were always a nation. It doesn't work that way.

Who were the Palestinians as destinct from the generalised Canaananites. Are they Syrian, Jordanian or may Lebonese. Who were the proto palestinians and who was their nation prior to today. Prior to a 1,000 years ago at the same time the Isrealites and Tyre were formulating. At one stage they were part of Egypt and Jordan I think. Or maybe it was Syria. I don't know. Even top Palestinian Officials say they are originally Syrian I think.

The name Palestine was a general name for the area of Canaan or like the Hykos, Asiatic people from the Levant rather than any specific nation. The Egyptians called the land north east of them Philistine but this related to Aegean people more closely related to the Greeks.

All except Isreal.

Yes it is possible to conclude that from your made-up history and crappy arguments, but despite your best efforts most people still think Israel has the same right to defend itself as any other nation.

 

[stevevw]

Yes it is possible to conclude that from your made-up history and crappy arguments, but despite your best efforts most people still think Israel has the same right to defend itself as any other nation.

No thats just not true, how can you say that. Are you living on another planet. Which nations has anti semetism growing against it, have a guess. Isreal. No other nation is being subject to that much scrutiny and even violence for just existing.

The OP is about Uni students protesting, their rally cry is "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free". That is genocide to the Isrealis and Uni heads were allowing it to happen. Polititians displaying antsemetic views and antisemetism creeping into the UN. No other nation has been subjected to as much hostility for being a nation, for just existing.

 

[BCP1928]

No thats just not true, how can you say that. Are you living on another planet. Which nations has anti semetism growing against it, have a guess. Isreal. No other nation is being subject to that much scrutiny and even violence for just existing.

The OP is very Uni students protesting, their rally cry is "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free". That is genocide to the Isrealis and Uni heads were allowing it to happen. Polititians displaying antsemetic views and antisemetism creeping into the UN. No other nation has been subjected to as much hostility for being a nation, for just existing.

Even right after the Diaspora there remained Jewish communities in the Holy Land. These grew as the years passed, thriving or not as they were harassed by the occupying power. Jews were free to move back from wherever the diaspora had chased and some did, even though the trip for most was long, expensive and dangerous. Palestina Secunda was taken over by Caliph Omar in the 7th century and the Jews were actually better off for a while until they were driven out again during the Frankish Mandate. They were welcome again during the Ottoman Empire. Tens of thousands fled Europe as antisemitic persecution increased and returned to Ottoman Palestine during that period 35,000 from Spain alone during the Reconquista. In Ottoman Palestine Jews (and Christians, too.) could live peacefully and have access to their holy sites.

Then WWI came and everything changed. But you don't seem to be interested in talking about what happened next.

 

[stevevw]

Even right after the Diaspora there remained Jewish communities in the Holy Land. These grew as the years passed, thriving or not as they were harassed by the occupying power. Jews were free to move back from wherever the diaspora had chased and some did, even though the trip for most was long, expensive and dangerous. Palestina Secunda was taken over by Caliph Omar in the 7th century and the Jews were actually better off for a while until they were driven out again during the Frankish Mandate. They were welcome again during the Ottoman Empire. Tens of thousands fled Europe as antisemitic persecution increased and returned to Ottoman Palestine during that period 35,000 from Spain alone during the Reconquista. In Ottoman Palestine Jews (and Christians, too.) could live peacefully and have access to their holy sites.

Then WWI came and everything changed. But you don't seem to be interested in talking about what happened next.

Why would I have a problem with any of this. Whats so great about what happens next that changes Isreals right to be a nation, to have always been a nation.

What you just described above more or less happened to Lebanon when Tyre. If Lebanon has the right Isreal has the right.

 

[BCP1928]

Why would I have a problem with any of this. Whats so great about what happens next that changes Isreals right to be a nation, to have always been a nation.

Israel has been a homeland for the Jewish people and the location of their holy sites for millenia.. Sometimes they were a national state (whatever that meant at the time) and sometimes they were not. But it was always, and still is, their homeland. They lived there in relative peace with the other Semitic peoples of the region for centuries up until WWI. So what changed and why?

 

[Hans Blaster]

What you just described above more or less happened to Lebanon when Tyre. If Lebanon has the right Isreal has the right.

"when Tyre..." what? your sentence is incomplete. (I will remind you that Tyre is an ancient city and not a nation. The city has been occupied continuously since it was one of the Phoenician cities.)