Can Christians Still Support Trump after the Guilty Verdict?

[Fantine]

A culture which treats babies in the womb as disposable is one that is open to dehumanization.

I believe that it is man's inhumanity to man (dehumanization) that created a culture that allows abortion, not vice versa.

Why? Let's think about it.

Theoretically, 10,000 women have abortions. If it weren't for a bunch of busybodies--picketers holding signs, "Don't kill your baby!" and governors wanting to monitor women's menstrual cycles and give young women pregnancy tests before they cross state lines, etc.--no one would know. And if no one knew, they might turn their eyes to the all too visible problems in our society that they neglect while picketing abortion clinics.

On the other hand, if we had a society that honors life in every way--so that no child went to be hungry or dehydrated, or languished due to lack of medical care or dentistry, or was warehoused in decaying inner city schools with few resources and underpaid teachers, or going home to empty homes because of working parents--people would understand that human life is sacred. Human life is important. We know it is important because we see that it is valued in our society, and that mothers are respected.

Instead we see what is respected. Money. Money talks. Wealthy people get all the tax cuts. They exert inordinate clout on public officials and public policy. We pay for their tax cuts by cutting school lunch programs and SNAP benefits.

You can't show your respect for life by standing outside a clinic with a sign harassing and tormenting young women at a vulnerable and dangerous time in their lives.

You can attack dehumanization by valuing people---whether they are immigrants, people of color, disabled people, etc. And if you do that you will see fewer abortions.

 

[comana]

Didn’t say it does. But if Trump believes in God and Jesus and says he is a Christian, then u would have to be accusing him of lying or using a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Furthermore, if he can put forth more Christian policies and point people towards God, he’s better than Biden for the job.

If you are looking for a leader to draw more people to Christianity, then Trump is just about the worst option.

 

[rambot]

Didn’t say it does. But if Trump believes in God and Jesus and says he is a Christian, then u would have to be accusing him of lying or using a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Are you serious? He's lying.

Furthermore, if he can put forth more Christian policies and point people towards God, he’s better than Biden for the job.

Whoa. That's crazy town. The idea of Trump "bringing people to God". He does nothing that reflects God's will; how could he bring people to Him?

To be clear, I don't think Biden would do much of a job of that either.

 

[rambot]

I believe that it is man's inhumanity to man (dehumanization) that created a culture that allows abortion, not vice versa.

Why? Let's think about it.

Theoretically, 10,000 women have abortions. If it weren't for a bunch of busybodies--picketers holding signs, "Don't kill your baby!" and governors wanting to monitor women's menstrual cycles and give young women pregnancy tests before they cross state lines, etc.--no one would know. And if no one knew, they might turn their eyes to the all too visible problems in our society that they neglect while picketing abortion clinics.

On the other hand, if we had a society that honors life in every way--so that no child went to be hungry or dehydrated, or languished due to lack of medical care or dentistry, or was warehoused in decaying inner city schools with few resources and underpaid teachers, or going home to empty homes because of working parents--people would understand that human life is sacred. Human life is important. We know it is important because we see that it is valued in our society, and that mothers are respected.

Instead we see what is respected. Money. Money talks. Wealthy people get all the tax cuts. They exert inordinate clout on public officials and public policy. We pay for their tax cuts by cutting school lunch programs and SNAP benefits.

You can't show your respect for life by standing outside a clinic with a sign harassing and tormenting young women at a vulnerable and dangerous time in their lives.

You can attack dehumanization by valuing people---whether they are immigrants, people of color, disabled people, etc. And if you do that you will see fewer abortions.

This is excellent. I like how this argument is put forward and I would love to see someone challenge it.

 

[Adam56]

I believe that it is man's inhumanity to man (dehumanization) that created a culture that allows abortion, not vice versa.

Why? Let's think about it.

Theoretically, 10,000 women have abortions. If it weren't for a bunch of busybodies--picketers holding signs, "Don't kill your baby!" and governors wanting to monitor women's menstrual cycles and give young women pregnancy tests before they cross state lines, etc.--no one would know. And if no one knew, they might turn their eyes to the all too visible problems in our society that they neglect while picketing abortion clinics.

The children’s homes are empty often because of single motherhood which the democrats’ policies create.

On the other hand, if we had a society that honors life in every way--so that no child went to be hungry or dehydrated, or languished due to lack of medical care or dentistry, or was warehoused in decaying inner city schools with few resources and underpaid teachers, or going home to empty homes because of working parents--people would understand that human life is sacred. Human life is important. We know it is important because we see that it is valued in our society, and that mothers are respected.

Instead we see what is respected. Money. Money talks. Wealthy people get all the tax cuts. They exert inordinate clout on public officials and public policy. We pay for their tax cuts by cutting school lunch programs and SNAP benefits.

You can't show your respect for life by standing outside a clinic with a sign harassing and tormenting young women at a vulnerable and dangerous time in their lives.

You can attack dehumanization by valuing people---whether they are immigrants, people of color, disabled people, etc. And if you do that you will see fewer abortions.

Why the focus on people of color and not all people? White people and East Asian people are light skinned but also deserve to be valued.

 

[Adam56]

If you are looking for a leader to draw more people to Christianity, then Trump is just about the worst option.

Disagree, I think Biden is worse, as he defends abortion and LGBT nonsense.

 

[Adam56]

Are you serious? He's lying.

Prove it.

Whoa. That's crazy town. The idea of Trump "bringing people to God". He does nothing that reflects God's will; how could he bring people to Him?

To be clear, I don't think Biden would do much of a job of that either.

Biden actively pulls people away from God. Trump at the very least creates a sense of law and order, which is the job of a president, not a pastor.

 

[Brihaha]

Disagree, I think Biden is worse, as he defends abortion and LGBT nonsense.

Now that makes no sense my friend.
Joe Biden actually attends church services and is a practicing Catholic. You might gain a more holy perspective if you read a bible. Then keep reading it until you are graced with understanding to couple with your vast reservoir of opinions lol. Food for thought. Peace

 

[BCP1928]

Disagree, I think Biden is worse, as he defends abortion and LGBT nonsense.

Yes, he sees no need to support criminalizing Christian sins for the non-Christian citizens of a secular state. If you want people to obey your moral laws you are going to have to evangelize them yourself. You can't expect the government to do it for you.

 

[rambot]

Prove it.

He thinks he's never done anything wrong that needs to ask forgiveness from God


End of discussion.

Biden actively pulls people away from God.

No he doesn't. But...

Prove it.
With concrete examples; not "allow people to make their own personal choices" kinda arguments.

Trump at the very least creates a sense of law and order

But he doesn't. He makes his supporters feel safe....because he does so much to try to terrify them and make them think only he can save them and keep them safe.

And looks like you've gotten on that train too!

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Trump at the very least creates a sense of law and order, which is the job of a president, not a pastor.

What? You can not be serious!

 

[BPPLEE]

But that's the thing, there are a lot of different things that affect the frequency of stuttering. How rested, the amount of stress physiological factors.

Again, compared to many Biden has done VERY well in dealing with his stutter.

Again PLEASE understand that I am NOT excusing every time Biden misspeaks. It's just something I'd hope people remember about him.

When I was working construction, I was working with a really REALLY bad stutterer. I felt SO bad for him. It kept him from being a foreman. And then the company sent him to a speech specialist. It was INCREDIBLE the difference. Dude became foreman within a year; company loved him (and he them) and he was one of the top foremen there.

What was interesting was that he had a physical behaviour that went along when he stuttered (lifting/adjusting his hard hat) and THAT behaviour never really went away.

Well Biden had problems today.

 

[Adam56]

Now that makes no sense my friend.
Joe Biden actually attends church services and is a practicing Catholic. You might gain a more holy perspective if you read a bible. Then keep reading it until you are graced with understanding to couple with your vast reservoir of opinions lol. Food for thought. Peace

Joe Biden doesn’t lead people to God though. Also if he promotes abortion and LGBT nonsense he isn’t exactly abiding by his faith.

Yes, he sees no need to support criminalizing Christian sins for the non-Christian citizens of a secular state. If you want people to obey your moral laws you are going to have to evangelize them yourself. You can't expect the government to do it for you.

There are countries that are not Christian which go against LGBT, so anti-LGBT is not just a Christian point of view.

 

[Adam56]

He thinks he's never done anything wrong that needs to ask forgiveness from God


End of discussion.



No he doesn't. But...

Prove it.
With concrete examples; not "allow people to make their own personal choices" kinda arguments.

He leads people away from God by promoting sin.

But he doesn't. He makes his supporters feel safe....because he does so much to try to terrify them and make them think only he can save them and keep them safe.

And looks like you've gotten on that train too!

Trump is against illegal immigration and criminals entering this country.

 

[Adam56]

What? You can not be serious!

See above.

 

[Brihaha]

Joe Biden doesn’t lead people to God though.

Joe Biden was elected to be president of our United States of America. Not a religious figure. And btw, the "LGBT nonsense" of what you speak are people, not nonsense. Maybe they are closer to God now? How could you possibly know? Have you interacted with any LGBT + folks lately? Despite your lack of acceptance, God is thrilled to find lost sheep. Your sins are not somehow better than theirs anyhow. It's why I urge you to live in God's word, which is found in the bible.

 

[rambot]

He leads people away from God by promoting sin.

That is incorrect. HE does NOT promote sin. People make their OWN choice. I have ONLY heard him say that abortion should be an option...i've never heard him say you "should" get an abortion.

Trump is against illegal immigration and criminals entering this country.

Why don't you address Trump's obvious lack of knowledge and faith and continue to convince yourself he's the more godly man?
Neither of those things are in ANY way EXPLICITLY addressed in the Bible as some kind of grand Christian ideal or some intrinsic part of our faith.

 

[rambot]

Well Biden had problems today.

I guarantee he probably has problems every day. It's just sometimes it's not put onto tape.

He has a disability that will stay with him forever.

 

[BPPLEE]

I guarantee he probably has problems every day. It's just sometimes it's not put onto tape.

He has a disability that will stay with him forever.

It wasn’t stuttering today. He was confused

 

[rambot]

It wasn’t stuttering today. He was confused

Stuttering Explained.

Some who stutter will also try to avoid stuttering by pausing before words, substituting words, and interjecting phrases such as “you know,” “well actually,” “um,” etc., whenever they anticipate a moment of stuttering. As a result, the person may create the false impression of being hesitant, uncertain, or confused.

Hoping this helps!