Can Christians Still Support Trump after the Guilty Verdict?

[Bradskii]

According to what I've seen, many liberals appear to almost... almost worship the policies of the Democratic Party...

Can you name one? I'd like to see what you mean by worship, so an example would be good. An official policy of the Democratic party if you could.

 

[Vambram]

Can you name one? I'd like to see what you mean by worship, so an example would be good. An official policy of the Democratic party if you could.

Perhaps we can start with the transgenderism agenda, or with the pro-abortion agenda of the Democratic Political Party?

 

[Adam56]

Then you shouldn't have any problem with mass immigrations coming across the border today.

Unless you'd like to explain how and why it's different of course.

-CryptoLutheran

Simple, we have an established government which has an established border and we have laws written down saying that in order to enter this country certain steps must be taken.

Native Americans had no such systems in place.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Ah...no. They think so little of him that the term 'imperfect' comes nowhere near describing what they actually think of him.

So? That doesn't make me incorrect.

Forum rules won't allow me to tell you what terms they'd actually use.

Thier use of colorful language makes them cool or correct?

 

[childeye 2]

Confrontation Over Character
If a leader lacks Christian character but is pointing the nation back to God, is that a bad thing?

The answer is yes, it's a bad thing. Why? Because its' propaganda.

The term "God", without any imagery, is an axiomatic term implying the source of the energy that formed all things. So whatever image is being given to the term "God" will define the positive/negative aspects of all moral/immoral terminology in our thought and words (psycholinguistics).

The Christ Character is the Light of mankind's soul. Any person lacking this Light has powers of darkness occupying their soul (they don't know God). That's why the god of this world is a false image of god, because it's not sent from heaven but is a worldly image created by the creature.

And this brings up this question: To what image of god is this leader taking our nation back to?

Jesus is the True shepherd who will gather his sheep and lead us back to God, which makes this other leader a false shepherd. The Holy Spirit testifies to Jesus not to Trump.

 

[rambot]

According to what I've seen, many liberals appear to almost... almost worship the policies of the Democratic Party while at the same time appearing to go all in with defending Joe Biden and many other Democratic Party politicians.

This is one of the wrongest things I've read about Democrats, based on what I've seen.
1. Worship? At best they support. They don't pin the success of America on any one issue or policy (ahem border). I will admit that female health issues is an issue the left does have a pretty tight focus on.



Despite the very real affect his stutter and his strategies have him I think I've only heard his stutter used as an excuse for a peoblem a handful of times. Despite the fact that some will see it as a cop out, I mean, what can I say. I guess they don't know anyone with a disability.

 

[Vambram]

And this brings up this question: To what image of god is this leader taking our nation back to?

Jesus is the True shepherd who will gather his sheep and lead them back to God, which makes this other leader a false shepherd. The Holy Spirit testifies to Jesus not to Trump.

The people, politicians, and policies of ALL political parties are NOT perfect, NOR without faults. However, does the LORD God and the Lord Jesus Christ support the transgenderism agenda, the social and political agenda of the LGBTQ progressive left, or the killing of millions of unborn babies? Does the LORD God support policies of open borders allowing massive illegal immigration?

However, without any reservation, I do agree that the Lord Jesus Christ is THE TRUE Shepherd and the Savior of the world. The Holy Spirit does indeed point towards and testifies of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Adam56]

The answer is yes, it's a bad thing. Why? Because its' propaganda.

The term "God", without any imagery, is an axiomatic term implying the source of the energy that formed all things. So whatever image is being given to the term "God" will define the positive/negative aspects of all moral/immoral terminology in our thought and words (psycholinguistics).

The Christ Character is the Light of mankind's soul. Any person lacking this Light has powers of darkness occupying their soul. That's why the god of this world is a false image of god, because it's not sent from heaven but is a worldly image created by the creature.

And this brings up this question: To what image of god is this leader taking our nation back to?

Jesus is the True shepherd who will gather his sheep and lead us back to God, which makes this other leader a false shepherd. The Holy Spirit testifies to Jesus not to Trump.

Trump is a Christian himself, but he is also someone in a nation which doesn’t require citizens to be Christians. So he uses the word God. A leader of a Muslim country may use “Allah” but American is a country which emphasizes religious freedom.

 

[Adam56]

This is one of the wrongest things I've read about Democrats, based on what I've seen.
1. Worship? At best they support. They don't pin the success of America on any one issue or policy (ahem border). I will admit that female health issues is an issue the left does have a pretty tight focus on.



Despite the very real affect his stutter and his strategies have him I think I've only heard his stutter used as an excuse for a peoblem a handful of times. Despite the fact that some will see it as a cop out, I mean, what can I say. I guess they don't know anyone with a disability.

I think Democrats do worship open borders and voting rights for migrants in order to get a permanent electoral majority. They’re satisfied allowing tons of migrants in to get votes to maintain power.

 

[BPPLEE]

Can you name one? I'd like to see what you mean by worship, so an example would be good. An official policy of the Democratic party if you could.

Abortion on demand, anything to do with LGBTQ or BLM

 

[BPPLEE]

This is one of the wrongest things I've read about Democrats, based on what I've seen.
1. Worship? At best they support. They don't pin the success of America on any one issue or policy (ahem border). I will admit that female health issues is an issue the left does have a pretty tight focus on.



Despite the very real affect his stutter and his strategies have him I think I've only heard his stutter used as an excuse for a peoblem a handful of times. Despite the fact that some will see it as a cop out, I mean, what can I say. I guess they don't know anyone with a disability.

What he’s doing is not stuttering

 

[childeye 2]

....does the LORD God and the Lord Jesus Christ support the transgenderism agenda, the social and political agenda of the LGBTQ progressive left, or the killing of millions of unborn babies? Does the LORD God support policies of open borders allowing massive illegal immigration?

This above is actually propaganda dictating to the mind how to think. Because it's a question framed so that one must answer no. If anyone answers yes, they could be accused and slandered as saying God is for sin.

Notice it omits greed, lying, adultery, fornication, hypocrisy, slander, (some of Donalds sins). It's wrong to cherry pick particular sins to condemn, so one can claim the worse sinners are all on "the far left". So, what's on the right? A theocracy that punishes everyone else's sins but not theirs?

We will be judged by what measure we use to judge others. The merciful will receive mercy, and faith is counted as righteousness in contrast to righteousness through the works of the law.

By the way, the open borders thing is a strawman argument.

 

[childeye 2]

Trump is a Christian himself, but he is also someone in a nation which doesn’t require citizens to be Christians. So he uses the word God. A leader of a Muslim country may use “Allah” but American is a country which emphasizes religious freedom.

Saying I'm a Christian doesn't make me a Christian. At the prompting of the Holy Spirit, I had to hear and understand the Gospel to believe in God's Christ. The Character of Christ lives in us when we are walking in His Spirit.

 

[Adam56]

Saying I'm a Christian doesn't make me a Christian.

Didn’t say it does. But if Trump believes in God and Jesus and says he is a Christian, then u would have to be accusing him of lying or using a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Furthermore, if he can put forth more Christian policies and point people towards God, he’s better than Biden for the job.

 

[Bradskii]

Perhaps we can start with the transgenderism agenda, or with the pro-abortion agenda of the Democratic Political Party?

I don't Know. Can you quote their policies on these matters?

 

[Pommer]

Global government will indeed happen .... don't know when ... but it will happen ... and the bible also prophecies state there will be a unification of church and state at some point as well. It will be a great deceptive.

Revelation 13:3

KJ21
And I saw that one of his heads was, as it were, wounded to death, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world wondered after the beast.

Not one religion per se ... but a religious power that accepts all religions and that will be the papacy ... everyone will begin to unite under "the common good" which is humanism and Polytheism (already happening) ... there will be a small remnant that will refuse and they will be persecuted ... at some point satan will even fake the 2nd coming of Jesus and show signs and wonders and will deceive MANY, people will actually think it is Jesus. No ... when Jesus returns ... judgement has already taken place and the 1st resurrection will happen ... He does not rule on earth as some people teach.

Things that are not biblical and/or mis understanding of prophecy that people will cause people to be deceived ...

Fake resurrection ... demons will take on the appearance of past loved ones. (this will even convince atheists)**
The fake "jesus" ... will be a soft spoken and have a beautiful appearance ... appear as a angel of light

The deception thinking jesus will reign on earth people will worship this false jesus.

The two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness

** immortality of the soul lays the foundation of spiritualism (belief that departed souls can interact with the living) ... bible does not teach this ... people will be deceived.

The fourth commandment has not changed. Many if not most christians worship on the 1st day of the week instead of the 7th day sabbath. False doctrines propagated by satan (through the papacy) have successfully lead many to dismiss it ... even the papacy itself states the truth about the matter regarding the 7th day Sabbath

• Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
  A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
  Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
  A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
  [ The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, 1951 printing, page 50. ]

Changed modified other of Gods laws as well.

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Don't be fooled by flowery words and philosophies ... the catholic belief is combined with tradition ... take heed to what Jesus said about mans traditions. Rome don't change ....

Jesus says that in history past they rejected the commandments of God so that they might keep their own tradition (Mark 7:9). He also said their traditions destroyed the effect of God's Word (Mark 7:13).

Ecclesiastes 1:9
Berean Standard Bible
What has been will be again, and what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

God is calling his people out of the apostate churches, catholic as well as the protestant ones.

Revelation 18 BSB

Babylon is falling and soon will indeed fall completely ... take heed .... know your bible .... study these things for yourself.

The 1st day is being kept our of ignorance .... it was carried over from when people came to America to flee persecution (by the church) and it had not yet been revealed/discovered by them of their error ... and this error has been being and is being ignorantly practiced.

Jesus was/is God .... Jesus kept the Sabbath .... not because He was a Jew ... but because He was God in the flesh and can not break His own law. We are called to walk as He walked ... and that walk includes remembering and keeping the 7th day Sabbath holy (set apart from all other days)

Being under the grace of God does not eliminate His law ... His law was so important Jesus died for it.

Revelation 12:17


AMP
So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went off to wage war on the rest of her children (seed), those who keep and obey the commandments of God and have the testimony (understand prophecy) of Jesus [holding firmly to it and bearing witness to Him].

Revelation 19:10 says, “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” The people who receive this spirit of prophecy in this verse are “the brethren,” which is a term Revelation later uses for prophets (Rev. 22:9). In other words, the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy given to the prophets. (understanding it)

Apologize for the long post ... anyway please please please prayerfully study out these things for yourself.

Why then the “fear” of a single World Government if it hastens the Parousia?

 

[childeye 2]

Didn’t say it does. But if Trump believes in God and Jesus and says he is a Christian, then u would have to be accusing him of lying or using a no true Scotsman fallacy.

God knows his sheep, so it doesn't matter.

Furthermore, if he can put forth more Christian policies and point people towards God, he’s better than Biden for the job.

It's statements like these above that bother me. I don't believe righteousness can come through the works of the law. I don't believe it's possible to instill virtue through policies Galatians 2:21 . It seems to me that if a person thinks the fear of punishment is what makes people do what is right, then they don't actually believe in the Spirit of God.

 

[Bradskii]

...then u would have to be accusing him of lying...

There really isn't any need. If you did a word association test on any number of people and asked them to name the first politician that comes to mind when you say 'lies'...need I go further?

 

[Pommer]

Native Americans had no such systems in place.

Well, none that we’re recognizable to the Europeans who were flooding in, no.

The “wilderness” had been carefully and systematically manicured to produce the abundance of the flora and fauna that the local peoples thrived upon; again these systems weren’t recognized by the settlers from the Old World.

 

[Adam56]

God knows his sheep, so it doesn't matter.

And you aren’t God. So you don’t know if Trump is truly Christian or not.

It's statements like these above that bother me. I don't believe righteousness can come through the works of the law. I don't believe it's possible to instill virtue through policies Galatians 2:21 . It seems to me that if a person thinks the fear of punishment is what makes people do what is right, then they don't actually believe in the Spirit of God.

Laws need to exist in a society for it to function properly. It’s silly to pretend otherwise.

There really isn't any need. If you did a word association test on any number of people and asked them to name the first politician that comes to mind when you say 'lies'...need I go further?

You can believe what you want but accusations require proof.