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Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

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Cohen fronting the $130,000, which would have been $127,300 over the maximum individual campaign contribution, which Cohen plead guilty to.
If 130,000 was a campaign contribution..........It was for a non diclosure agreement.......
 
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TO My good friends with whom I have spent many happy hours talking of many things.
I will not be on the internet for a while.
My brother died in another State and I will not be on the forum for a while.
Thank you in advance for the condolences and support.
I am always concerned when posters disappear.
This is a courtesy to anyone who may notice my absence.
Grieve well.
 
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The Durham report was biased. There is an objective truth in reality which is facts based and thereby dictates to us what is true.

First allow me to point out a few fundamental facts, that can be proven about people, through examining the semantics in people's words and the state of mind they project:
1) A sound mind actually wants to know the Truth about what happened.
2) Those who actually want to know the Truth about what happened, do not reason upon bias as a foundation for logic.
3) Any reasoning based on falsehood ends in a contradiction.

Here is the factual account about how the "Russia Hoax" started built precept upon precept:
1) The DNC was reportedly hacked by someone, 2015-2016.
2) The DNC says it was the Russians. Logically, either the DNC was hacked by the Russians, or it wasn't (Yeah or nay, positive/negative).
3) The document dumps by WikiLeaks about Hillary, which Donald would read at his campaign rallies, were meant to hurt Hillary's chances which would in turn benefit Trump's campaign.
4) Whoever was behind the hacks, and the release of stolen documents would rather have Trump win than Hillary.
5) In 2015 Trump was posed a question by "Maria Butina" (proved later to be a Russian agent). She wanted to know about his position on Russia and specifically about removing sanctions against Russia for invading Crimea that had been imposed during the Obama administration. Trump replied: “I believe I would get along very nicely with Putin ... I don’t think you’d need the sanctions. I think we would get along very, very well.”

6) On June 9, 2016 the Trump Tower meeting took place where representatives of Russian interests met with the Trump Campaign. The public would not learn about this meeting until a year later, well after the election was over. We were told by Don junior that it was to discuss getting dirt on Hillary, and about reinstating an adoption program for Russian orphans. Note: The adoption program had been shut down as part of Putin's retaliation for the sanctions imposed by America and her allies because Putin had invaded Crimea.
7) On June 14, 2016 came the announcement that the DNC had been hacked and cyber security experts said that they believed it was the Russians.
8) On June 17, 2016 Fox News said this: Trump, for his part, isn’t buying the DNC explanation that this is the work of some nefarious outside hacker. He said, “We believe it was the DNC that did the ‘hacking’ as a way to distract from the many issues facing their deeply flawed candidate and failed party leader. Too bad the DNC doesn’t hack Crooked Hillary’s 33,000 missing emails.”

Now that sounds far-fetched as well. Not only is there nothing new here, but no one can absorb 200 pages at once. Why not dribble out the attacks, package them as talking points, put them in attack ads, rather than create a bogus hacking story and dump it all out there? Or dress it up with some narrative and release it as a report?

9) Please note above that on June 17,2016 Fox news was suggesting to the viewer's minds that the hacking story is Bogus (a hoax according to Trump). At the time Trump is saying, "We believe it was the DNC that did the 'hacking' as a way to distract from the many issues facing their deeply flawed candidate and failed party leader". What's important to note here is that the messaging is inferring that the suggestion that Russia hacked the DNC is a Hoax/Fake story invented by the Democratic party.

10) On the same day, June 17,2016, Putin says he does not have a preference for who wins U.S. election, though he welcomes Trump's pledge to restore U.S.-Russia ties. Putin says, "We never interfere in other countries’ internal politics, especially the U.S."

We can see that Putin's words present a contradiction in reasoning since "We never" is contradicted by "especially the U.S."... And we also can see a contradiction in claiming that he ‘welcomes’ Trump's "pledge" to restore U.S.- Russian ties while also claiming he has no preference.
11) June or July 2016, according to the indictment of Stone, Stone informs the Trump campaign about possible Wikileaks release of damaging Clinton documents. Stone would not give up his contact but did lie about who it was.

12) From July 24, 2016. Below is an interview with Jake Tapper. Please keep in mind when you read it, that Don junior is already aware that Russia is trying to help Trump win when he gives this interview, (because he has already had the meeting at Trump Tower and he has already read the email stating: "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump", June 3,2016).

JAKE TAPPER: So, I don't know if you were hearing earlier, but Robby Mook, the campaign manager for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — I asked him about the DNC leak. And he suggested that experts are saying that Russians were behind both the leak — the hacking of the DNC emails and their release. He seemed to be suggesting that this is part of a plot to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Your response?

TRUMP JR.: Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this. I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie. You notice he won't say, well, I say this. We hear experts. You know, here's (INAUDIBLE) at home once said that this is what's happening with the Russians. It's disgusting. It's so phony. I watched him bumble through the interview, I was able to hear it on audio a little bit. I mean, I can't think of bigger lies, but that exactly goes to show you what the DNC and what the Clinton camp will do. They will lie and do anything to win.


13) Please note that in the first of the following tweets the "fake news" must be referring to help from Russia to help Trump win. It therefore cannot be referring to a fake story about "collusion", since that would have nothing to do with an excuse for why Hillary lost. However, the second tweet changes the original context for "Fake story/Hoax" from helping Trump win, to "collusion". Here is where we see Trump changing the original narrative and metaphorically "moving the goal posts". And this change in context in the second tweet, works to actually contradict the first tweet and expose it as a lie, since collusion with Russia could not even be possible unless it was Russia that was actually behind the hack to begin with.

Feb. 16, 2017 Trump tweet:

The Democrats had to come up with a story as to why they lost the election, and so badly (306), so they made up a story - RUSSIA. Fake news!

Feb. 18, 2018 Trump tweet:

I never said Russia did not meddle in the election, I said “it may be Russia, or China or another country or group, or it may be a 400 pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer.” The Russian “hoax” was that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia - it never did!


So, in summation, we can clearly see in hindsight that Putin had motive in wanting a foreign policy change in America towards Russia that would get rid of the sanctions for invading Crimea imposed during the Obama administration. We also see that Trump had voiced being open to that.

We see that Trump first claimed, that the DNC was not hacked by Russia, but by the DNC itself. We then see from an indictment that Trump was allegedly being told by Roger Stone that WikiLeaks will be releasing bad things about Hillary. And we know Trump loved the releases by Wikileaks even though he claimed the DNC hacked its own self to somehow hurt him. We then see Don junior saying that the Hillary campaign is making up lies about the Russians trying to hurt Hillary and help Trump win, even though he knows at the time that Russia is doing exactly that according to the emails that were released by the free press.

We also see Trump after the election claiming that no one knows who hacked the DNC which contradicts the claim that the suspicion that Russia was trying to help him win was a fake story made up by the Democrats who had hacked themselves as an excuse for losing, which in turn is not possible because the story began spreading five months before the election was even lost.

And finally, after the election, we see Trump conveniently changing the meaning of "fake story" claiming that when he said, "Russian hoax", he was referring to "colluding" with Russia, not Russia meddling to help him win, which contradicted his earlier statement that it was a fake story (Hoax) that Russia was trying to help him win to begin with. For both instances, the facts show it was Trump who pushed the Russian hoax narrative, not the Democrats.

The Mueller investigation also was called a "witch hunt" by Trump. The Mueller investigation looking into interference by Russia in the 2016 elections, was started by Rosenstein, a Republican, who took over after the Trump appointed AG Jeff Sessions recused himself. Rosenstein said that he turned to a Special Counsel because Trump had fired FBI director Comey and Trump had tried to get him to lie and say it was Rosenstein's own idea. None of this was started by the Democrats. There were two additional investigations conducted by the house and the senate both controlled by the Republicans.

All three independent investigations concluded definitively that Russia was indeed trying to hurt Hillary and Help Trump. The term collude means to cooperate in a secret or unlawful way in order to deceive or gain an advantage over others. To meet that definition, all the Trump campaign had to do to cooperate was to keep it a secret that they knew Russia was helping them.
Please don’t help people trying to derail the thread. thanks.
 
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That was because they decided the nondisclosure was really a campaign contribution. Do you get that? Then it grew legs based on that ONE THING? They actually made THE INTENT for paying her the hush money determined that question. Once it was a because of his campaign, it turned into a campaign issue.
Yes, Mister Cohen had pled guilty to this crime and did time for it.
That’s how we (all) know that it is a “crime”.
 
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Eventually.
And made sure that the payments were labeled “Legal fees”, to hide this fact.
Ironically, if he had just written a check from his own bank account, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
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If 130,000 was a campaign contribution..........It was for a non diclosure agreement.......
Which was needed to keep Daniel’s story out of the news during the campaign…making it a campaign contribution.
 
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When, in this trial of the former President, did such evidence come out?
I think that info came out when Bidens daughter’s diary was stolen. And Trump commented to Howard Stern about Ivanka having a nice body and then either during that interview or another interview with someone else Trump said that if Ivanka wasn’t his daughter he’d probably be dating her.
 
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I think they learned their lesson with the Zimmerman and Rittenhouse trials: Don't let them be televised. I know a lot of people that really wanted Rittenhouse to fry came out of it agreeing with the verdict. One of the more comical responses was a guy that said he thought the victims were black.

No one "learned their lesson". This isn't some sort of plan or conspiracy.

Trump's trial wasn't televised because trials aren't televised in NY state.

Trump trial: Why can't Americans see or hear what is going on inside the courtroom?

Trump's federal trials won't be televised either as the federal courts prohibit television cameras.

If he makes it that far, the Georgia trial will be televised, as all of the proceedings so far have been televised.
 
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I think that info came out when Bidens daughter’s diary was stolen. And Trump commented to Howard Stern about Ivanka having a nice body and then either during that interview or another interview with someone else Trump said that if Ivanka wasn’t his daughter he’d probably be dating her.
So in a thread about the verdict of Donald Trump’s trial, you felt the need to bring up a story of a purloined diary about Biden…why?
 
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Then I guess we all know what the answer is. Just like the dozen upon dozen of cases rejected by umpteen courts about a 'stolen' election, any verdict that goes for you is correct, all others must be wrong. People with this one eyed mentality have no credibility.
Sounds like gaslighting.
 
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Haha, I'll buy that for a dollar. I don't know any Trump defenders who aren't tired these days ;).
It was past my bed time. You know how you start to lose your faculties at that time and start acting like Joe Biden.
 
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I shall peruse this at a later time; he’s usually a good watch.
The video is deceptive.
Notice, pecker did not sell the mcdougal story because his lawyers said "it might look like a campaign contribution"
In other words If it is suspected of being that, they will have to EXPOSE it was for a NDA
In other words The payment would stick out like a sore thumb, and be found out. Defeating the whole purpose to hide the story in the first place.
Yes, he was trying to "HUSH" something, and paid for that. It was not a campaign contribution and this video continuously leads to these comments to mean the knew it was a campaign contribution. Sneaky

Here is a cut and paste from wiki concerning the same thing way back
Mueller, FBI, looked at this already..... And saw nothing.....
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"Davidson's involvement with Daniels' settlement interested special prosecutor Robert Mueller, who was investigating the payment. Cohen made the payment personally through a limited liability corporation; however, it was suggested he was to be reimbursed by Trump personally or by his campaign, a payment which was not reported as a campaign expense. After the FBI searched Cohen's office in mid-April 2018, prosecutors asked Davidson to turn over, "certain electronic records" from his interactions with Cohen.[3]"
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Which the above , is how Robet Costello became involved. He testified and went on news interviews in defense of Trump.


Copy and pasted from the AP
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"Trump’s lawyers called Costello, an attorney and ex-federal prosecutor, as their primary witness in a terse defense case aimed at undermining Cohen’s credibility.

After the FBI raided Cohen’s home and office in 2018, Costello offered to become his lawyer. He told the jury that during their first meeting, Cohen paced anxiously, saying his life, and his family’s life, had been “shattered.”"
Mueller, the Fbi, Costello all looked at this. So did BRAGG until now! Is this Braggs, and machan's campaign contribution to The Biden campaign? I suppose now we could find a way to make it just that.
 
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