SC Senate Passes Bill Banning Affirmative Care For Minors

[Belk]

I think a lot of doctors and researchers are being pressured by the trans activist to ignore the long term effects of gender affirming care and hormone therapy. It’s sickening.

Citation?

 

[rjs330]

Them? No.

Good then we are in agreement. Makes one wonder then why you want listen to them.

Odd, then, that there were numerous experts who testified against this legislation. I guess it is easier to oppose gay rights when some few people with degrees that have the same ideological bent. Seen a few to many warnings of "gays ruining society" to see this as anything other then a continuation.

I don't think gay rights had anything to do with this. Unless of course you are referring to children who were medicalized only later to find out they were gay and not trans.

I've already addressed the issue on how the so called experts belong to organizations who refuse to conduct a systematic review like the Euopeans did which altered thier course. Makes one wonder as to tbier motives. Especially when members have asked for ir. I mean they wouldn't actually have to do it. They could just look at the other countries who have done it already. I suspect money and ideology may be to blame.

It's a good thing we have legislators who are informed. Especially when medical fields refuse to be.

 

[RileyG]

Citation?

No citation. Just a personal observation. I also have a video of a woman who regretted her decision on Dr. Phil. It’s eye opening.

 

[RileyG]

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News

Gender identity haunts every aspect of our lives, dictating the outcomes of our conversations, our workplaces, our relationships – even our bath products. Before most infants are named, they are assigned a sex based on the appearance of their external genitalia by a third party. These decisions...

sitn.hms.harvard.edu

Let us know when the DSM gets an entry for "feeling Asian".

I’m aware of gender dysphoria, thank you. Feeling you are a different race isn’t much different from transgenderism. Both are uncomfortable with who they are.

 

[Belk]

No citation. Just a personal observation. I also have a video of a woman who regretted her decision on Dr. Phil. It’s eye opening.

OK, noted.

 

[Belk]

Good then we are in agreement. Makes one wonder then why you want listen to them.

I don't think gay rights had anything to do with this. Unless of course you are referring to children who were medicalized only later to find out they were gay and not trans.

I've already addressed the issue on how the so called experts belong to organizations who refuse to conduct a systematic review like the Euopeans did which altered thier course. Makes one wonder as to tbier motives. Especially when members have asked for ir. I mean they wouldn't actually have to do it. They could just look at the other countries who have done it already. I suspect money and ideology may be to blame.

It's a good thing we have legislators who are informed. Especially when medical fields refuse to be.

I disagree. It is the exact same people opposing Trans as are opposed to everything else in the gay community.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The article linked in the OP seems to disagree :

“There are some things in the nature of creation — male and female is one of them — that gets beyond what you believe and I believe,” Republican Sen. Richard Cash said on the Senate floor before debate began Thursday. “It’s rooted in creation; it’s rooted in the creator and those who opposed that are opposing in some sense the nature of creation itself.”​

This is one person's statement out of many who voted on the bill.

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Doctors and parents testified before committees in both the House and Senate that people younger than 18 do not receive gender-transition surgeries in South Carolina and hormone treatments begin only after extensive consultation with health professionals.​

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They said the treatments can be lifesaving, allowing young transgender people to live more fulfilling lives. Research has shown that transgender youth and adults are prone to stress, depression and suicidal behavior when forced to live as the sex they were assigned at birth.​

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The article linked in the OP seems to disagree :

“There are some things in the nature of creation — male and female is one of them — that gets beyond what you believe and I believe,” Republican Sen. Richard Cash said on the Senate floor before debate began Thursday. “It’s rooted in creation; it’s rooted in the creator and those who opposed that are opposing in some sense the nature of creation itself.”​

That's the statement of one state senator who supported the bill....

I'm sure it's not the only one.

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Doctors and parents testified before committees in both the House and Senate that people younger than 18 do not receive gender-transition surgeries in South Carolina and hormone treatments begin only after extensive consultation with health professionals.​

Amazing. These might sound like the debunked lies of trans-activists from 3 years ago....but hey, maybe they're actually true?

If so....why would these doctors fight a ban that prevents them from performing surgeries on teens under 18yo?

During the debate on the bill there's a considerable amount said supporting the bill, citing large scale meta-studies that have shown there's no high quality evidence to support the use of hormones or puberty blockers on children. None.

This bill doesn't prevent any children from accessing psychological or therapeutic care. Were you aware of that? There's nothing in the bill that prevents confused children from accessing any psychological treatment.

They simply cannot be experimented on with drugs that have no FDA approval for treating "trans children".

Did you know that the FDA hasn't approved puberty blockers or hormone replacement therapy for "trans children"?

That's because the medical research doesn't support it.

I know you have a tendency to dismiss pretty much anything I say, but think about that for a moment. If you really believe that medical science research was on the side of puberty blockers and hormone replacement therapy for children as a part of Affirmative Care treatment....why hasn't the FDA approved these drugs for these children?

The science simply doesn't support these drugs being handed out to children. Sweden had jumped on the Affirmative Care model years before the US did....and they ran into the exact same problems that the UK did. They both ended up with a lot of teens getting placed onto a lifelong drug path that causes irreversible harm to children. The Affirmative Care model is notoriously bad for diagnosing children correctly, as it requires doctors to agree with whatever the children claim as a "gender identity".

I can link you the whole debate regarding the bill if you like.....I think it's somewhere between 2-3 hours long, but it has timestamps.

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They said the treatments can be lifesaving​

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Again, these are old debunked trans activist lies.

None of these children were dying before they were put on puberty blockers....and then the puberty blockers saved their lives. That's never happened. Nobody has any idea what the "trans child" suicide rate is....because it's not a statistic anyone can track. What we do know is that out of all age groups....people under 18yo have the lowest suicide rate. The very claim that these treatments are "necessary for saving lives" is empty and without any evidence at all.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It is the exact same people opposing Trans as are opposed to everything else in the gay community.

I don't oppose anything in the gay community. I don't oppose gay marriage, adoption, military service, etc.

You're seeing patterns that don't exist.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Wait, I thought they were duping parents? Which is it, are they opposed to treatment or are they tricking parents into incorrect treatments for their children?

Medical professionals that have been required to examine the quality of the research into...

1. The Affirmative Care model.
2. Puberty blockers as part of treatment.
3. Hormone replacement therapy as part of treatment.
4. Surgery as part of treatment.

And these experts have concluded that the research is too low quality (aka garbage) to justify these treatments.

This is why the FDA hasn't approved puberty blockers or HRT.

Them? No. The same people oppressed to all progress for the queer community? Yes.

Is the FDA under Biden opposed to "progress" for the "queer community"?

I mean, look at the surgeon general. If these were safe effective treatments according to the science....why hasn't the FDA approved them?

Odd, then, that there were numerous experts who testified against this legislation.

Most of which lose profits if it gets passed.

When we ask the medical experts with no skin in the game....suddenly they aren't so supportive.

You'll see this pattern a lot throughout history. Tobacco companies would have experts testify that their cigarettes are safe. I prefer the opinions of experts not getting paid off the treatments being banned.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Citation?

A Trans Pioneer Explains Her Resignation from the US Professional Association for Transgender Health

In the past, we were told that people who were transgender had a deep-seated psychiatric disorder, which no longer is the prevailing view, but for many years it was, which was why so many trans people feel traumatized, especially adult trans people, who were basically told they were crazy.

quillette.com

In this interview, the former head of the organization that writes the guidelines for and created the Affirmative Care model speaks about pressure placed on medical experts to stay silent on matters of disagreement.

 

[RileyG]

OK, noted.

That's all. I have no proof.

 

[RileyG]

A Trans Pioneer Explains Her Resignation from the US Professional Association for Transgender Health

In the past, we were told that people who were transgender had a deep-seated psychiatric disorder, which no longer is the prevailing view, but for many years it was, which was why so many trans people feel traumatized, especially adult trans people, who were basically told they were crazy.

quillette.com

In this interview, the former head of the organization that writes the guidelines for and created the Affirmative Care model speaks about pressure placed on medical experts to stay silent on matters of disagreement.

Boom!

 

[rjs330]

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News

Gender identity haunts every aspect of our lives, dictating the outcomes of our conversations, our workplaces, our relationships – even our bath products. Before most infants are named, they are assigned a sex based on the appearance of their external genitalia by a third party. These decisions...

sitn.hms.harvard.edu

Let us know when the DSM gets an entry for "feeling Asian".

Oh good an article that references research that has been discredited. It's unreliable or unscientific. It's the same research used by WPATH to promote their agenda. And it's been discredited by the scientific, medical and therapeutic fields around the world.

Taking a look just at the Twins study is evidence at what is being used to make claims that even the research doesn't claim.

You've been duped again. The brain studies don't prove anything either. Never have, that's why Europe has abandoned its positions of the past. Systematic reviews have proven it as junk.

 

[rjs330]

Apparently trans is all about feelings, what I feel like. I can say I feel like I’m Asian even though I’m white. Does that make me Asian? How is that argument any different from transgenderism?

It doesn't. And we all know it. It's wild that even the left acknowedges what you say as truth EXCEPT for trnasgenderism. It's the one exception.

 

[rjs330]

Boom!

We all know it has been happening. I saw an interview with another therapist who said the same thing. I saw an I terview with a member if the endocrine society who also said rhe same thing. And the pressure on them is enormous. They know many others who aren't coming forward because they dint want to be black balled. Many of them.have lost friends and colleagues over it. It's never easy to be a whistle blower.

 

[rjs330]

I disagree. It is the exact same people opposing Trans as are opposed to everything else in the gay community.

It just goes ro show how uninformed you are. I could link to many discussions from gay supporters who oppose transing kids. But you wouldn't bother to listen to them. I bet if you read the one book that Riley posted you would still make this ridiculous and un supported claim. Or read the interview and you'll find she certainly isn't anti-lgbt.

Yes many on this board don't support much of the gay agenda. I get that. But then this is a Christian forum and you shouldn't expect different. But out in rhe world where this has been actually decided, they most certainly are not in the same place. You even agreed with me. But yet you still keep saying it. At this point it's obvious you have no clue what you are talking about. Even on this topic regarding kids I don't recall any of us saying anything about the opposing gay stuff. I think it was you who first mentioned it.

 

[ozso]

It means I do not find your claims credible.

I wasn't making any claims.

 

[ozso]

I disagree. It is the exact same people opposing Trans as are opposed to everything else in the gay community.

This is specifically transing children through chemicals and surgery, which has a much larger variance of people against it. I've even heard people in the gay community speaking out against it.

 

[ozso]

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News

Gender identity haunts every aspect of our lives, dictating the outcomes of our conversations, our workplaces, our relationships – even our bath products. Before most infants are named, they are assigned a sex based on the appearance of their external genitalia by a third party. These decisions...

sitn.hms.harvard.edu

Let us know when the DSM gets an entry for "feeling Asian".

That would fall under delusional disorders.

 

[RileyG]

This is specifically transing children through chemicals and surgery, which has a much larger variance of people against it. I've even heard people in the gay community speaking out against it.

Absolutely true! Gays Against Groomers is a very conservative pro-gay movement that strongly is opposed to the transgender agenda.