Biden proclaimed the first instance of "Transgender Visibility Day" to occur onEaster Day.

[Bradskii]

BTW, I seriously do resent people who claim that female brains is somehow different than males.

From here: How men's and women's brains are different

'But why are men’s and women’s brains different? One big reason is that, for much of their lifetimes, women and men have different fuel additives running through their tanks: the sex-steroid hormones. In female mammals, the primary additives are a few members of the set of molecules called estrogens, along with another molecule called progesterone; and in males, testosterone and a few look-alikes collectively deemed androgens. Importantly, males developing normally in utero get hit with a big mid-gestation surge of testosterone, permanently shaping not only their body parts and proportions but also their brains. (Genetic defects disrupting testosterone’s influence on a developing male human’s cells induce a shift to a feminine body plan, our “default” condition.)

In general, brain regions that differ in size between men and women (such as the amygdala and the hippocampus) tend to contain especially high concentrations of receptors for sex hormones.'

 

[Bradskii]

Words have meanings. That’s why there are dictionaries.

I'm sick and tired of asking the same people this. Can you find any authoratitive paper, article, discussion, medical journal or dictionary that doesn't explain gender in the way that has been explained to you UMPTEEN TIMES ALREADY?

Sorry for shouting, but when you continuously repeat the same thing ptme and time again and it's pointed out time and time again that you are mistaken, then all caps is a kinda last resort.

 

[QvQ]

That said, if you change the word sex to gender at the end of your quote above then it will all fall into place.

If a woman is exhibiting features that are irregular for females, then the ideal would be to match the closest sex, which would be female, not male."

That is the quote. Now changing that does not change a thing.
Sex and gender are the same thing.
If there are anatomical irregularities in the female or male then the correction should be to the dominant biological sex.
Nothing to do with preference. Chopping off body parts because of low estrogen or a damaged hormone center in the brain is not the way to proceed in medicine.

 

[QvQ]

I'm sick and tired of asking the same people this. Can you find any authoratitive paper, article, discussion, medical journal or dictionary that doesn't explain gender in the way that has been explained to you UMPTEEN TIMES ALREADY?

Sorry for shouting, but when you continuously repeat the same thing ptme and time again and it's pointed out time and time again that you are mistaken, then all caps is a kinda last resort.

I have looked everywhere for explanation of sex and gender.
All I can find is this, Over and Over:
"Gender is more about identity and how we feel about ourselves. People may self-identify as male, female, transgender, other or none (indeterminate/unspecified)."

Nothing to do with science, just feeling and identity.
That is how it is explained and how we are trying to explain it to you.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I have looked everywhere for explanation of sex and gender.
All I can find is this, Over and Over:
"Gender is more about identity and how we feel about ourselves. People may self-identify as male, female, transgender, other or none (indeterminate/unspecified)."

Nothing to do with science, just feeling and identity.
That is how it is explained and how we are trying to explain it to you.

Barely six hours ago, I tried to help out. Sex is a biological clasification. Gender is a social role.

In 2001, a committee convened by the Institute of Medicine (IOM), a nonprofit think tank ... now embedded within the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) ... advised that scientists use these definitions in the following ways:

• In the study of human subjects, the term sex should be used as a classification, generally as male or female, according to the reproductive organs and functions that derive from the chromosomal complement [generally XX for female and XY for male].
• In the study of human subjects, the term gender should be used to refer to a person's self-representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions on the basis of the individual's gender presentation.

 

[Bradskii]

If a woman is exhibiting features that are irregular for females, then the ideal would be to match the closest sex, which would be female, not male."

That is the quote. Now changing that does not change a thing.
Sex and gender are the same thing.

As I said, if you either don't understand the difference between sex and gender or, more likely in this case, refuse to accept it, then any discussion you have, or any argument you make on the very subject of gender is going to be a complete waste of time. All you are left with is posting variations on 'gender doesn't exist'.

 

[QvQ]

Barely six hours ago, I tried to help out. Sex is a biological clasification. Gender is a social role.

And barely six hours ago I tried to help out.
Defining Gender as a Social Role is cultural.
Defining Gender as a Social Role is Stereotyping.
That is not "scientific.

 

[Bradskii]

I have looked everywhere for explanation of sex and gender.
All I can find is this, Over and Over:
"Gender is more about identity and how we feel about ourselves. People may self-identify as male, female, transgender, other or none (indeterminate/unspecified)."

Nothing to do with science, just feeling and identity.
That is how it is explained and how we are trying to explain it to you.

See above.

 

[Bradskii]

Defining Gender as a Social Role is cultural.

Yet you just said it doesn't exist. How did you manage to define a non existing concept?

That is not "scientific".

What is this hang up you have with science? This is a matter where people personally perceive how they identify themsleves. It's like me saying that I love my wife and you saying 'Well, that's not scientific.'

How people identify themselves is up to them. How you identify yourself is up to you. However you describe your identity, and you have to some extent in your posts, that identity is a fact. But...

That is not "scientific.

Utterly irrelevant.

 

[essentialsaltes]

And barely six hours ago I tried to help out.
Defining Gender as a Social Role is cultural.
Defining Gender as a Social Role is Stereotyping.

Nevertheless, that's the explanation, whether you object or not.

 

[Belk]

It’s not a conspiracy theory.

Yes, it is. The medical community is not somehow beholden to a giant gay agenda.

I’m not interested in anyone that wants to mock and insult God and pretend to be something they aren’t.

Not only is Gender Dysphoria real it has nothing to do with trying "Mock God". It is a real condition that real people suffer under.

 

[QvQ]

Nevertheless, that's the explanation, whether you object or not.

It isn't a matter of objecting or not.
Babylon Bee had a news article that the Scottish Parliament declared William Wallace was a woman because he. wore a skirt.
"Lasses wear skirts, lads wear pants." (self presentation)
Designating gender, "he" as "she" based on preference of wearing apparel is cultural
IT is also classic stereotyping, as "lasses do this and lads do that"
A lad who does a lassie stereotype is therefore a lassie.
That may be the "explanation" but frankly, it would be better not to have any explanation at all rather than one as hilarious as that.

 

[RileyG]

Yes, it is. The medical community is not somehow beholden to a giant gay agenda.

Not only is Gender Dysphoria real it has nothing to do with trying "Mock God". It is a real condition that real people suffer under.

I realize it’s a medical condition, but those who get the surgery and pretend to be something they aren’t mock God.

 

[RileyG]

I'm sick and tired of asking the same people this. Can you find any authoratitive paper, article, discussion, medical journal or dictionary that doesn't explain gender in the way that has been explained to you UMPTEEN TIMES ALREADY?

Sorry for shouting, but when you continuously repeat the same thing ptme and time again and it's pointed out time and time again that you are mistaken, then all caps is a kinda last resort.

Gender is not a social construct. Feelings do not define reality. Sorry, with all due respect, I do not accept that definition.

 

[Belk]

I realize it’s a medical condition, but those who get the surgery and pretend to be something they aren’t mock God.

Spare me your claims of being the arbiter of Godly conduct. The audacity, sir. The solutions the medical community have come up with helps them. You would harm them based on nothing more then the idea that you somehow have such a great understanding of the will of an infinite being that it should override empirical evidence? I thought hubris was a sin?

 

[QvQ]

he solutions the medical community have come up with helps them.

Sweden has been doing surgeries and drugs to treat transgenders for longer than any other country
This is a quote from the Swedish Health"
In national guidelines updated in 2022, Swedish health officials cautioned that "the risks of puberty blockers and gender-affirming treatment are likely to outweigh the expected benefits." The guidelines recommended limiting use of puberty blockers, hormones and mastectomies to "exceptional cases."

And a higher rate of suicides over a period of time, 20X higher than normal.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It isn't a matter of objecting or not.

Well, in addition to your objection, there's also your willful misunderstanding.

Babylon Bee had a news article that the Scottish Parliament declared William Wallace was a woman because he. wore a skirt.
"Lasses wear skirts, lads wear pants." (self presentation)

No, that's clothing. That's not all of, or even most of, how someone presents themself.

When we talk about gender roles, think of what a role is. A performance.

When you wear jeans, do you perform man-ness, or are you a woman wearing jeans?

 

[Bradskii]

Gender is not a social construct. Feelings do not define reality. Sorry, with all due respect, I do not accept that definition.

Whether you agree with it or not is something I'm not interested in. But I'd like you acknowledge that it is the definition. And acknowledge that discussing gender when you disagree with basic definition of the very word is a complete waste of your time.

 

[QvQ]

When you wear jeans, do you perform man-ness, or are you a woman wearing jeans?

Actually, that is in the eye of the beholder.
I don't perform man ness or woman wearing jeans in jeans.
I tried to do that, walk around like a man or woman, sit like a man considering what that would entail.
Just to test your hypothesis
I could do the Marilyn Monroe hip roll walk or the Man Spread sit but those are caricatures.
That is also cultural.
A transgender man might not know to keep his skirt down and his knees together but then, women aren't born knowing that either.
Most of the "performance" is taught according to cultural norms. So again it is stereotype.

A man can maybe mimic the Marilynn Monroe walk but men are hinged differently than women. Hormones and sex surgeries can't correct that.
You might try that hip roll walk, see how it works.

 

[Bradskii]

Sweden has been doing surgeries and drugs to treat transgenders for longer than any other country
This is a quote from the Swedish Health"
In national guidelines updated in 2022, Swedish health officials cautioned that "the risks of puberty blockers and gender-affirming treatment are likely to outweigh the expected benefits." The guidelines recommended limiting use of puberty blockers, hormones and mastectomies to "exceptional cases."

And a higher rate of suicides over a period of time, 20X higher than normal.

Exactly what are you doing? Arguing that a problem doesn't exist or discussing ways in which it can be treated? Because if you quote authorities that you suggest should be listened to then when they say that some treatments are acceptable in some cases then you are firstly accepting that there is a problem and secondly accepting that treatment, including surgery, is an option.

So gender isn't real. But hey, we can cure problems associated with it by the use of drugs and surgery. If that isn't a classic example of cognitive dissonance then I don't know what is.