He Gets Us campaign

[Laodicean60]

I totally get that, but what about keeping the Sabbath Holy or Thou Shalt not Covet which are actually listed in the 10 Commandments?

Why is homosexuality such a glaring sin that people seem to need to correct? Do you think Christians reject people who covet have big houses and nice cars as much as they would a homosexual? It seems to me to be quite the opposite; They seem to rather want to be accepted by theses people rather than reject them.

Christians like to point this out because it's an easy sin for them not to commit if they weren't born or made that way. Wouldn't you agree? But they won't spend much time pointing out the ones that aren't so easy.

I agree our job is to love them and tell them about Jesus and what he did. Not throwing stones because we carry a multitude of sins ourselves. Isn't arguing a sin and if so what makes it any less than someone's sexual preference? Not that I condone it but let the Holy Spirit work.

Added: and Prayer

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What I see them preaching and doing is making sure people in the congregations are taken care of. That's got multiple witnesses.

What I do not see them preaching or doing is social justice over the rest of the world. I won't entertain speculation without some evidence...and there is none at all.

You're stonewalling. And frankly, of all people, I'm quite surprised to you see you stoop to such a measure. I don't see your rhetoric, as short as it is in your post above, as an actual application of the high level of God-given intelligence I know you have. You can do better. It's also not, from my view of the Christian faith, coming as an expression of your faith either. No, it's coming from being locked into a certain evangelical hermeneutic.

I asked you some questions earlier, dear brother. But what did you do instead? You face-palmed me here. I don't appreciate that. It shows that somewhere, even if to a more limited degree, you've been drinking some of the same ol' Kool-aid that so many other proclaimed "American Evangelicals" have been drinking. But, it's time for everyone to put those jugs down and stop drinking.

I've studied the Bible and other biblically related scholarship, from dozens of points of view, for way too long to be taken in by the ideologies of either the Left or the Right. And although I know that there are some political and spiritual nuances about today's spiritual climate I'm sure you and I both actually coalesce on, these more basic, everyday issues about "human value," on the other hand, need to be better handled than they so often are. As it is, issues of "social significance, charity" and whatnot are rather ignored and outright face-palmed without any engagement whatsoever and then, summarily in what is touted as good ol' American fashion, told to "take a hike" ...

That junk, and the evangelical stonewalling that goes with it, needs to stop. Besides, we don't need to live in fear of anti-Christian propaganda that comes at us from the Left.......................................................or from the Right.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

OK, fair enough. I bring up those topics simply to point out that the issue isn't about washing people feet. It isn't about doing something nice to someone because we THINK we are doing something that God would be pleased with. It isn't for believers doing nice things to other believers because we think we're doing God a favor.

Washing unbelievers' feet, let alone believers' feet, means nothing. Why do it? We are never going to get unbelievers to like us. Those who desire to live godly lives will face persecution. If we're not facing persecution, then perhaps we really are not living godly lives.

Rather....We should love God with all our hearts. If our hearts are full of love of God, then out of it will flow good works from God-but we don't measure those works (e.g. I washed 10 people's feet this week). We should live our lives in obedience to God's commands because we desire to bring glory to God's name. God commands us to pray for one another so we do so because it brings glory to God. God wants us to have fellowship with one another because corporate worship brings glory to God. If God tells us we are to go and tell the world to repent and turn to Him for healing then, yes, we do that as well. Witnessing has to be the greatest illustration of showing love to God, for it truly shows our love to others. It is also the most difficult. It is far easier to wash a person's feet than to gently explain to them that they're a sinner in need for Christ to enter their heart.

BTW-To me, proper witnessing is also the most difficult but it is also the most direct command we are given. I'm not very good at it. Being obedient to God is a very daunting task that shows me how far I fall short and in need for constant repentence.

So, where in the New Testament, precisely, does it say to make sure to avoid ministering to those who are not Christian, or that they have to repent and jump through various political and/or spiritual hoops BEFORE they'll even be considered for the reception of acts of love and care ?????????????????????

I feel like my participation in this thread has had the same affect as having a cold bucket of water splashed on my head while sleeping ...

... and I've woken up to find myself in "Bizarro-ville." I've never really expected to see fellow evangelical Christians excuse themselves from loving their neighbors of the world by quoting the Bible out of context and, thereby, creating interpretive loop-holes in order justify their excuses. No wonder we've had events like the Tulsa Race Massacre in the U.S.. Good grief !!!

No, at this point, I'm no longer an evangelical. There's really no need for American sloganeering to "identify" ones self as a particular sort of Christian. No, you just need to learn to listen to others better and fully consider the good and the bad of what's being shared with you before opening your mouths. It's enough to simply be a "Mere Christian," existentially considered.


No. I think that whatever the shortcomings of the "He Gets Us" commercials are, I know that Jesus does "Get Us," and we can see that He does IF we stop treating the entire Bible as if it's one big book of Proverbs.

 

[FameBright]

"Why is homosexuality such a glaring sin that people seem to need to correct?"

I think this is the crux of the matter. Homosexuality is not only a lifestyle, it is an ideology.

Now this doesn't mean that every gay or lesbian is a raging leftist who wants to subvert cultural and gender norms (Dave Rubin is conservative--as one example), but the vast majority of them are. That brings them into conflict with the Church

homosexuality in itself, isn't much different from any other sin, and should be considered as such by Christians. We should not say "a homosexual is worse than a thief".

The other problem, as I stated above, is entryism --as Christians, we need to be careful not to "let people in" who are bad actors, and seek to undermine the faith and the structure of the church. We can see what happened to mainline protestant denominations who began to cater to homosexuals, then began making excuses for the behavior, and then finally "affirmed" homosexuality, and even started appointing actively homosexual people to leadership positions and pastor status. Those churches lost members, split, or even failed.

So I say proceed cautiously. We should NOT "shut the doors" to anyone seeking Christ, and who honestly wants to turn his or her life around. But we need to be vigilant about our theology, our practices, and the Gospel.

That seems to be a different type of acceptance. We can't pretend that it's normal so I see your point. Levitical priests of ancient Israel had to be physically without defect and ritually pure before performing their duties so I don't believe they should go as far as being appointed to leadership positions and pastor status.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Sorry, I'm just now going through everything and trying to navigate the complexities and multifaceted history and politics that people are presenting. Very interesting but resembles the same ole arguments that I hear at work all the time.

Anyway, wouldn't you say that judging or condemning homosexuals and causing them to either commit suicide or turn away from the Church would also be doing the people a disservice?

Jesus didn't come to condemn so if we were to be like Jesus, shouldn't we also not condemn?

I wouldn't say that people are explaining away homosexuality as much as trying to make sense of it. If you were born a homosexual wouldn't you try to make sense of it? I think these people just want to be accepted which I think is the whole point. I don't feel that people would push for acceptance if it wasn't condemned in the first place. Do you feel differently?

I get what you're saying here but the transformation should come from either Jesus or God right? and not from fellow Christians?

Because homosexuals have decided their sexuality describes their person, when in my mind it doesn't, it makes it difficult to speak to people on these topics these days.

I have never considered a person to "be a" homosexual. Homosexual behavior is an act and a desire that God calls a sin and it's even indicated Scripturally as a particular judgement from God. But to me it's not a person or even necessarily a personality. I've met homosexuals in real life who are perfectly normal people, they don't go around acting weird and making people feel like they ought to be calling the mental health cops soon. (The same cannot be said for the transgender I met... That was exorcist stuff)

Here's the issue at play for myself as a Christian.

The church Scripturally is required to abide church discipline within the church. (1 Corinthians 5:12-13)

Behaviors in the world outside the church itself, that's something completely different. I believe God allows man a certain amount of liberty to sin, in order to eventually bring them into the fold.

However, inside the church, there is to be a certain level of church discipline. Let's say your church has 40 regular members. Those 40 members know one another, do "church" activities together, have coffee and visit at one another's houses. You know who everyone is.

The idea of church discipline is twofold, first is to uphold the outside appearance of the church as well as the internal integrity of doctrine etc. But the second reason is we help each other with our sin struggles (and we all have them), giving advice and encouraging each other to stay strong in the face of adversity.

The Christian life, just life itself, can be difficult and we may falter and fall into some sin, but we ask forgiveness and get back up and go at it again.

Christians are supposed to encourage and support one another.

Let's say a man who used to be homosexual is saved, and legitimately so.

this same man who is now newly saved, well first he has to learn how to even be a Christian, and it's a learning process. As Christians we are to uphold the moral laws of God, but what those are exactly is a learning process.

WIth guidance from the Holy Spirit this same man will begin to change his life as he grows in knowledge. He'll put away the old man and begin to put on the new.

As he does this the church should be supportive and encouraging, teaching and guiding the way. This is the job of the church and why we have one another as brothers and sisters.

Is it possible that in a moment of weakness he looks backwards? Yes... It's entirely possible. But He will ask forgiveness and pick back up again and follow the path.

it's a process for us all, and homosexuals are no different than us.

But, a homosexual will hear sermons on homosexuality, the same as gossips will hear sermons on gossipping (one of the local churches had something to say about the gossips in church on their main street church sign... But gossiping here is like the national past time. I think far more time needs spent on the gossips myself... Lol) and thieves will hear sermons on stealing.

The Bible in Christ Jesus and the disciples are our perfect standard. And it's a standard we all fail in the light of. All of us.

if I want to feel judged all I have to do is randomly open to any page of the Bible and read all about what I'm not yet, and read what the standard is and realize I have work to do... All my new clothes aren't on yet. Try it, you'll find the same. This is why Christ had to save us. We desperately needed a Savior.

Any homosexual will do the same. We are all judged.

But we walk the path toward righteousness daily. If we aren't even trying to walk that path, we were never saved in the first place.

I'll quote from Piper here so you can better understand:
The key verse that he’s referring to goes like this: “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins” (Hebrews 10:26). In other words, we’re beyond salvation.

Now, two observations about this phrase “go on sinning deliberately” are really important.

First, the word deliberately translates the Greek hekousiōs. This word is used in 1 Peter 5:2 like this: “Shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly [hekousiōs].” Willingly — here is the same word that we translate as deliberately in Hebrews 10:26.
Now, what this usage shows (and the reason I cite it) is that there are two different kinds of willing, aren’t there? One is eager and wholehearted, and the other is under compulsion.

In both cases, one could argue that the elders are in fact exercising their will to shepherd the flock of God. In the one case, it’s glad. It’s an act that engages the whole will. It’s happy and energized. In the other case, it’s begrudging, an act that evidently goes against significant parts of the will because they would rather be doing something else. They don’t really want to shepherd the flock of God, but for money or for fame or to avoid guilty feelings they gut it out and shepherd the flock of God.


This text, Hebrews 10:26, is saying something more than than the sin which destroys the soul is an act of the will. Of course, it is, but it’s more than that. All sins are acts of the will, and not all sins destroy. It’s a more intentional, eager, wholehearted act of the will. An act which shows there isn’t a real identity of spiritual newness inside, which acts as a constraint holding back the will, at least in part." End Quote

How Does ‘Willful Sinning’ Threaten My Salvation?

All sin involves the will. But continuing to sin deliberately — with eagerness and persistence — will destroy the soul.

www.desiringgod.org

Therefore, when a church has to decide on church discipline as shown in 1 Corinthians 5:12-13, they have to determine whether what they are seeing is a begrudging behavior, something the individual has true remorse over, or whether they are in a settled, unrepentant pattern of sin.

But of course the church should be there teaching, guiding, encouraging and supporting so no one of us goes off a cliff..

 

[FameBright]

proper witnessing is also the most difficult but it is also the most direct command we are given.

Where is this a direct command? Are you referring to the "Great Commission"?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I was jokingly alluding to the "use your PhD". Even though I do prefer more of a direct and literal approach I'm sure someone like Merrill would probably appreciate it.

Anyhow, you don't think social inequality just seems to be the natural order of things? Even in Heaven, doesn't it seem to resemble some sort of social status? Especially when you hear things like "Kingdom of Heaven", "Some who are first will be last and some who are last will be first", "...theirs are the Kingdom of Heaven", "...they will inherit the earth", etc. Even animals seem to naturally have pecking order.

Whether or not social inequality seems to be the "natural order of things," as in issue in and of itself, has little to do with whether or not we should simply accept the entropy and economic disparity that contributes to that "seeming" default. I don't really see Jesus defining that default as simply a part of life that one can ignore. No, I think Jesus sees its presence in the sense of it being an ongoing opportunity for Christians to do "good works" that they have been prepared in advance by God to do.

We all probably have different visions of social inequality so I could be in left field a little.

Nah. I don't think you're in left field. You're just seeing as you do at the present moment. That's honest.

If social inequality was so important, why not start at the beginning? Abraham and Sarah had servants. Jacob was set to gain more than Esau. Joseph had dreams of his elevation of status, etc.

... if we look at the overall landscape of meaning regarding various laws in the Old Testament, even there we'll see that concern not only for one's fellow citizen was expected by God, but also concern for the Stranger (i.e. well-intended immigrant).

I don't see anything wrong with this method; it seems like it's the other methods like from a political standpoint that people may seem to have a problem with.

Yes, I think you're right. Governments vary rarely have the power or the means to affect an overall economy or political milieu that is fully just and equal to all citizens. So, it's really, at base, up to the daily efforts and intentions of all everyday citizens to make that milieu a more viable possibility. Of course, human selfishness (and/or sin) often simply gets in the way of that conglomerate social effort. I'm sure that even in someplace, today, like Denmark, things are not perfect, even if they are a bit better in some social respects regarding food, clothing, sense of well-being-------------reasons why not to commit suicide----------------------than elsewhere, statistically.

For example, someone mentioned the dangers in "Liberation Theology". Then I think you mentioned a more moderate approach to "Liberation Theology" which to me seems fair. I'm working off memory so I apologize if I'm getting things mixed up.

No, I'm not advocationg for a more moderate approach to Liberation Theology. What I'm attempting to get at isn't 'about' incorporating or amalgamating some aspects of Liberation Theology into one's one present Christian Theology. No, it's about being able to fully and compassionately recognize the value of other human beings (since they're made in God's Image, afterall, even if that image is marred by our respective choices) and to be able to listen to them, in their struggles, and in their pain. Sometimes, too, they'll also have a pertinent aspect within their point of view we can learn from, one that might help all of us to be a little bit more authentically Christian.

However, if you take it to the extreme like in the Far-left sense, wouldn't that stifle creativity and innovation? And if that happened businesses would stop growing and making money ultimately resulting in the collapse of our economy. Then if our economy collapsed, wouldn't that open doors for the Romans (Oppressors) to come in? That's where the dangers seem to lie. I'm being rhetorical here because it's hard to encapsulate the exact ideology.

Of course. And I don't think any Far-Left (or Far-Right) position is tenable or liveable. As for "Romans," they will do what what they do, regardless of how well we think we'll blockade the Gates.

I don't think anyone would deny that the poor should have certain basic rights; I think there's just a point you cross where it just seems more detrimental overall. If it did result in a weakened economy don't you feel like it would open doors for the Oppressors? We can rely on faith that it would never happen but it's easier said than done.

I'm not advocating for a "socialist" answer. I'm advocating for a grass-roots awakening to the fact that people have to care about each other as Christ would have us care (love, really, is the word He uses) for each other. I'm not referring to a governmental answer. From all I've studied, and as I've already said, governments have little finalizing power in creating permanent, lasting order for prosperity. No, it's up to the people to make the "Good Society" a reality and to maintain that as a reality on a day-by-day basis. Somehow, a number of right-leaning (and sometimes left-leaning) Christians today in the U.S. don't seem to be able to fathom that truth as well as they should.

For example, back in the OT days, wouldn't you say that the faith of the Israelites would blow ours away by today's standards?

No. I wouldn't say that back in the OT days, the faith of the Israelites would blow ours away, especially not by today's standards, and not even by the standards of the OT. .... that's why we read what we read in books like Judges, as well as in the overall narrative that led to the historical Exile to Babylon. It's also why we see all that was written and said by the OT Prophets, many who were ignored and/or killed.................by their fellow Israelites.

In fact, I'm just reflecting something that Paul the Apostle said himself about the nature of one of the reasons why what was written was written (i.e. in the Old Testament). It was also to show us what NOT to do .......................................

Why did they feel like they still needed to elect a King? Wasn't it because they felt they still needed some kind of protection? Wouldn't you say that this would (out of necessity) give rise to social inequality? Doesn't it just seem to be a necessity even way back then?

No. The answer as to "why did they feel they needed a King" is implied in the OT as an expression of the tenuousness of the faith that many Israelites had. Many, from what the OT narrates, had little faith, if any. They were not paragons of virtue any more than we are today.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

"Why is homosexuality such a glaring sin that people seem to need to correct?"

I think this is the crux of the matter. Homosexuality is not only a lifestyle, it is an ideology.

Now this doesn't mean that every gay or lesbian is a raging leftist who wants to subvert cultural and gender norms (Dave Rubin is conservative--as one example), but the vast majority of them are. That brings them into conflict with the Church

homosexuality in itself, isn't much different from any other sin, and should be considered as such by Christians. We should not say "a homosexual is worse than a thief".

The other problem, as I stated above, is entryism --as Christians, we need to be careful not to "let people in" who are bad actors, and seek to undermine the faith and the structure of the church. We can see what happened to mainline protestant denominations who began to cater to homosexuals, then began making excuses for the behavior, and then finally "affirmed" homosexuality, and even started appointing actively homosexual people to leadership positions and pastor status. Those churches lost members, split, or even failed.

So I say proceed cautiously. We should NOT "shut the doors" to anyone seeking Christ, and who honestly wants to turn his or her life around. But we need to be vigilant about our theology, our practices, and the Gospel.

I think the "He Gets US" commercial is addressing issues much more wide spread and more deeply entrenched than simply the singular issue of homosexuality alone. Why do you all harp ONLY on that one issue? It's an issue, sure, but it's not really the main issue or the only issue or, even, the "worst" issue.

Why is it that American Christian Evangelicals can't "GET THAT"?

 

[Clare73]

Exactly. If this was all by itself, I would have given it a like
Which direction do you mean? To change their nature of being a homosexual or to seek the grace and forgiveness of Jesus Christ?
Do you believe that latter is the direction that most Christians are steering? Let's be honest here.
I totally get that, but what about keeping the Sabbath Holy or Thou Shalt not Covet which are actually listed in the 10 Commandments?
Why is homosexuality such a glaring sin that people seem to need to correct? Do you think Christians reject people who covet have big houses and nice cars as much as they would a homosexual?

Again. . .it's not about homosexuality being greater or a "glaring sin" that puts it in the spotlight, it is about attempting to normalize the sin that puts it there.
When theft is attempted to be normalized, it will likewise be in the spotlight.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Again. . .it's not about homosexuality being greater or a "glaring sin" that puts it in the spotlight, it is about attempting to normalize the sin that does so
When theft is attempted to be normalized, it will likewise be in the spotlight.

Well actually, stealing is hitting a big spotlight right now with the nations rising crime rates.

Apparently the left is trying to normalize that too.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Well actually, stealing is hitting a big spotlight right now with the nations rising crime rates.

Apparently the left is trying to normalize that too.

.... maybe if we did more caring as we should, the Left would do less "normalizing."

 

[Hazelelponi]

.... maybe if we did more caring as we should, the Left would do less "normalizing."

Who says we aren't trying?

The left is over there paying drugs addicts to do drugs, making it just fine to steal up to 950 dollars worth of merch per store without any consequences, and providing them drug paraphernalia and sometimes even drugs in the street.

We were arresting people so they could be put into the system to get help, help getting off drugs, help with mental illness issues etc it's not a perfect system but it was the best we had, and it gave them at the least a better quality of life than dying in the streets.

and that system sure beats enabling addicts to continue their addiction.

I'll run go get you a video: here we go:

What was better? Enforcement of our laws and running people through the system for help? Or no system at all which kills people?

 

[Lukaris]

I am not well versed in what orthodox ( I mean traditional Christians in general) Christian counselors prescribe to
guide the affections non traditional partners may have each other. Perhaps a form of sibling love is offered to live by. Perhaps more development is needed here.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I am not well versed in what orthodox ( I mean traditional Christians in general) Christian counselors prescribe to
guide the affections non traditional partners may have each other. Perhaps a form of sibling love is offered to live by. Perhaps more development is needed here.

I used the same advice as what helped me with stopping smoking when someone spoke to me about it on forum, since I did that right after i was saved.

I guess I figure it might be a lot like addiction, you really really really want something that's bad for you, to the point of feeling need for that thing.

I also linked a couple books written by former homosexuals who had become Christian and changed their lives.

But it would be interesting to look into what really is the best advice we can give... Because this does come up.

 

[RDKirk]

You're stonewalling. And frankly, of all people, I'm quite surprised to you see you stoop to such a measure. I don't see your rhetoric, as short as it is in your post above, as an actual application of the high level of God-given intelligence I know you have. You can do better. It's also not, from my view of the Christian faith, coming as an expression of your faith either. No, it's coming from being locked into a certain evangelical hermeneutic.

I asked you some questions earlier, dear brother. But what did you do instead? You face-palmed me here. I don't appreciate that. It shows that somewhere, even if to a more limited degree, you've been drinking some of the same ol' Kool-aid that so many other proclaimed "American Evangelicals" have been drinking. But, it's time for everyone to put those jugs down and stop drinking.

I've studied the Bible and other biblically related scholarship, from dozens of points of view, for way too long to be taken in by the ideologies of either the Left or the Right. And although I know that there are some political and spiritual nuances about today's spiritual climate I'm sure you and I both actually coalesce on, these more basic, everyday issues about "human value," on the other hand, need to be better handled than they so often are. As it is, issues of "social significance, charity" and whatnot are rather ignored and outright face-palmed without any engagement whatsoever and then, summarily in what is touted as good ol' American fashion, told to "take a hike" ...

That junk, and the evangelical stonewalling that goes with it, needs to stop. Besides, we don't need to live in fear of anti-Christian propaganda that comes at us from the Left.......................................................or from the Right.

Actually, it has more to do with my military outlook.

What is the core mission? Stop. Think. What is the core mission?

What single thing did Jesus never fail to do wherever He went? What single thing did Paul never fail to do wherever he went?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yes, and what He meant by that statement was "there is something you disciples need to do instead right now, but you'll have time to minister to the poor like you should in the very near future."

The first priority of every Christian is their own household.

1 Timothy 5:8: “But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

Next we care for fellow Christians in need, 1 Timothy 5:3-16 widow's who have no means of support first. I assume that there was a surplus of widows in persecution era early Christians, so widows without support was a particular concern I think.

It's after that that we expand outward in charity, after our own house is in order.

Where we fail is the above... People are so worried about non Christians they stopped caring about their Christian neighbor.

 

[RDKirk]

The first priority of every Christian is their own household.

1 Timothy 5:8: “But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

Next we care for fellow Christians in need, 1 Timothy 5:3-16 widow's who have no means of support first. I assume that there was a surplus of widows in persecution era early Christians, so widows without support was a particular concern I think.

It's after that that we expand outward in charity, after our own house is in order.

Where we fail is the above... People are so worried about non Christians they stopped caring about their Christian neighbor.

I agree that we have to have our own house in order, and we have done that poorly. But unfortunately, that's not because we've been busy caring about the rest of the world.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Actually, it has more to do with my military outlook.

I can understand that, and I respect that influence.

What is the core mission? Stop. Think. What is the core mission?

I fully expect a singular, core focus to be instilled and developed in the military. I would be shocked to find soldiers without it.

However, I don't expect a similar matrix of devotion and focus within the Christian faith. And when I have seen it manifested in the various Baptist or other similar evangelical churches I've been in for the last forty years, it always seems to express itself with a certain form of negligence, one that drove the rest of my family---my dad, my mom, my wife, my son, even though not me---in deciding to refrain from going to those churches along with jettisoning the desire to even want to engage fellowship with any Christians anywhere in an organized fashion.

But I still have that desire.

So, yeah. I expect Core Missions to only be manifested with utter legitimacy within the military, where that form of mindset is needed and necessary on various levels. I expect a different mindset in the local church.

What single thing did Jesus never fail to do wherever He went? What single thing did Paul never fail to do wherever he went?

Jesus always did the Will of the Father, wherever He went. And the Will of the Father was never simply a one dimensional activity from what I see of Jesus' ministry or that of Paul's, or that of any of the rest of the Apostles and/or earliest disciples.

How do I know? Because Jesus' language demands that it be understood that way. He used the word, "all," in the Great Commission in the same way, and analogous to (no accident there, I'm sure), the way in which the Lord told the people of Israel to pay attention to and do "all" that was commanded of them in the Law given through Moses.

Anyway, you're a good man. I know that. There's no need for me to attempt to knock you on the helmet for any relatively small disagreement we may have.

 

[Vambram]

Pastor goes viral for video urging repentance amid backlash to 'He Gets Us' Super Bowl ad

Jamie Bambrick says he hopes video shows 'heart of Jesus'

Pastor goes viral for video urging repentance amid backlash to 'He Gets Us' Super Bowl ad

U K Pastor Jamie Bambrick went viral after he posted a video emphasizing repentance in response to the controversial He Gets Us Super Bowl ad that many suggested was endorsing sin

www.christianpost.com

Jamie Bambrick, who serves as associate pastor of Hope Church Craigavon in Northern Ireland, told The Christian Post that he was shocked by the overwhelming international response to his video, which took him less than an hour to make by himself and has racked up more than 2 million views on X.

 

[Vambram]

'Some of you are going to Hell with clean feet': Mark Driscoll responds to Super Bowl 'He Gets Us' ad

'Some of you are going to Hell with clean feet': Mark Driscoll responds to Super Bowl 'He Gets Us' ad

While the controversial He Gets Us ad that aired during the Super Bowl stirred up plenty of conversation, pastor and author Mark Driscoll offered his own unfiltered take

www.christianpost.com

While the controversial “He Gets Us” ad that aired during the Super Bowl stirred up plenty of conversation, pastor and author Mark Driscoll offered his own unfiltered take.
In response to the 60-second “Foot Washing” ad, Driscoll, 53, tweeted, “Jesus washed Judas’s feet and still sent him to hell #HeGetsUs.”

In a second post on the topic shared Wednesday, Driscoll watched the ad before calling it “soft, woke, garbage, nonsense, virtue signaling to those who don't like God.”

“Jesus Christ got murdered,” he said. “It's because some people felt hated by what He was teaching. All of this is just soft, woke garbage nonsense virtue signaling to those who don't like God, that you should like them because they're willing to change God for you. Jesus did wash feet. He washed the feet of a guy named Judas Iscariot before He sent him to hell. Some of you are going to hell with clean feet. But that's not an upgrade."

What is foot washing and what does it symbolize?

All of the images in this gallery were shot by international fine art photographer Julia Fullerton-Batten. As we thought about what to do for this year’s commercial, we reflected on our 2023 TV spot, “Love Your Enemies.” That commercial was all about Hate and Division. Ultimately, it was about...

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