BREAKING NEWS Hamas fire rockets into Israel

[rjs330]

But, America did the same thing; they overthrew an oppressive regime and made a new government for themselves in a very bloody war which is still celebrated yearly as a glorious thing. Why is it okay for America to do it, and for Israel to do it, but not for Palestine to do it?

Because they have been offered many opportunities for a free state and have turned it down every time because they want to destroy Israel.

England never offered the colonists an opportunity for a free state. And the colonies never declared they wanted to destroy England off the face of the planet.

Not even remotely the same thing.

 

[rjs330]

I'll tell you what it doesn't look like:

It doesn't look like the indiscriminate murder and violence that was committed
It doesn't look like driving around through residential areas shooting everyone in sight
It doesn't look like mass bombardment with unguided rockets
It doesn't look like taking civilians, including children, hostage
It doesn't look like using religious sites as targets for attacks

If peaceful revolution is made impossible, then violent revolution is inevitable. I get that. But, there's a YAWNING chasm between attacking what might be considered legitimate targets - defence forces/civil police and the infrastructure of state-based repression - and what has gone on in Israel over the last 24 hours.

At the same time, collective punishment for these actions on the populations of Gaza/West Bank shouldn't be on the cards. Apartment buildings should not be targets for airstrikes.

I don't know if you noticed the difference though. Israel told people to get out before they went in. The Palestinians just killed indiscriminately and without warning. Not even remotely the same. Israel gets hit FIRST including civilians without warning. Response? They warn people they are coming and tell them to get out before they do.

 

[Pommer]

It's not their territory. There is no such thing as Palestinian land. They have turned down every offer.

It was their land in 1947.

 

[John Helpher]

Because they have been offered many opportunities for a free state and have turned it down every time because they want to destroy Israel.

I'd like to see some quotes on this, from Palestinian leaders, responding to free-state negotiations by rejecting the offers because they only want to destroy Israel. Because, based on what I've seen and read, it looks like you're demonizing the Palestinians, probably because you think they have some special right to life that the Palestinians don't, based on their religious affiliations. That's usually how it is when Americans puff themselves up in defence of Israel. They aren't following Jesus. He told his followers that God wasn't interested in where people worship, whether at this holy site or that holy site, because God is spirit. With his last breath, Jesus said, "it is finished" and at that very moment God himself tore the thick, huge curtain which separated the Holy of Holies from the rest of the temple. In other words, God was done with the box and all that it represented.

All this "support for Israel", including huge sums of weapons and money for weapons to absolutely dominate an impoverished people by occupying their land and steadily taking it for themselves. They bulldoze houses, farms, schools, fruit plantations, hospitals, whatever is Palestinian owned, and then settlers move in. Their soldiers brutalize and molest them regularly, often ending in arrests and shooting for the simple crime of protesting injustice.

How can you say it's okay for a Christians nation to not only financially support this, but to justify it in the name of the very God they are rebelling against?

 

[John Helpher]

Israel told people to get out before they went in.

Exactly. Yet, when Russia does that very same thing with parts of Europe, suddenly America is very angry. I mean, IF Israeli really were acting on the orders of God like what happened in some old testament cases, fine. But, a lot has changed since then and Jesus has made it very clear that God is not interested in holy land. He's interested in Holy Hearts.

And, it's also a little disturbing how easily you go from, "Israel took it because they wanted it." to, "The Palestinians responded by killing indiscriminately." as though not only were the Isrealies right to violently steal another people's land, but also justified in making them into some kind of villain when they try to defend themselves. That's exactly what Putin did with Ukraine; when they tried to defend themselves, Putin's propaganda machine made it out like they were a junta refusing to allow the people to go free.

It's like a bully kicking you in the teeth and then when you complain, they accuse you of indiscriminate whining.

 

[Nithavela]

Exactly. Yet, when Russia does that very same thing with parts of Europe, suddenly America is very angry. I mean, IF Israeli really were acting on the orders of God like what happened in some old testament cases, fine. But, a lot has changed since then and Jesus has made it very clear that God is not interested in holy land. He's interested in Holy Hearts.

And, it's also a little disturbing how easily you go from, "Israel took it because they wanted it." to, "The Palestinians responded by killing indiscriminately." as though not only were the Isrealies right to violently steal another people's land, but also justified in making them into some kind of villain when they try to defend themselves. That's exactly what Putin did with Ukraine; when they tried to defend themselves, Putin's propaganda machine made it out like they were a junta refusing to allow the people to go free.

It's like a bully kicking you in the teeth and then when you complain, they accuse you of indiscriminate whining.

With the commando style attack of Palestine on Israelian civilians, as well as foreign helpers working in the region, with many being killed or taken hostage, palestine has lost any claim to some kind of moral high ground.

 

[Wings like Eagles]

It was their land in 1947.

The land was under the British Mandate.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Don't you all see that this conflict is ancient? All of these people fighting are Abraham's descendants . I guess you can call it a sibling rivalry.
Genesis
25 Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah.

2 And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan and Midian and Ishbak, and Shua.

3 And Jokshan begat Sheba, and Dedan. And the sons of Dedan were Asshurim, and Letushim, and Leummim.

4 And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Hanoch, and Abidah, and Eldaah. All these were the children of Keturah.

5 And Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac.

6 But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had, Abraham gave gifts, and sent them away from Isaac his son, while he yet lived, eastward, unto the east country.

The land was promised to Isaac and Jacob (AKA) Israel. The other kids have been angry for thousands of years because Abraham gave everything to Isaac. Essau sold his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of stew. Esau vowed to kill Jacob/Israel for tricking him out of his inheritance. This conflict continues today.

 

[JosephZ]

I heard that several Israeli villages in Southern Israel are under Hamas control.

Israel has a long hard battle ahead of them. It may take several weeks or months to regain control of some of the towns and villages that are occupied by Hamas.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Israel has a long hard battle ahead of them. It may take several weeks or months to regain control of some of the towns and villages that are occupied by Hamas.

That is unfortunate. I see things getting worse before it gets any better.

 

[Always in His Presence]

It was their land in 1947.

No it was not - it was under the British control - that is why the United Nations turned the land over to Israel from the British in 1948.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Hamas - a globally recognized terrorist organization.

What Is Hamas?

The Palestinian militant group struggled to govern the Gaza Strip before launching a surprise attack on Israel in 2023. Now facing Israel’s military campaign to destroy it, Hamas’s future is in doubt…

www.cfr.org

Their sole purpose is to wipe Israel off the map. It amazes me how many people actually defend terrorist.

 

[durangodawood]

Because they have been offered many opportunities for a free state and have turned it down every time because they want to destroy Israel.....

The two state "solutions" so far have been more like 1.25 states. The P one was never realistic as a proper state, which was probably the idea. Not justifying this attack at all. Just some proper context.

 

[durangodawood]

Iran is a known major Hamas backer. Russia is a huge Iran ally. I wonder what Russia is saying to distance themselves from all this?

 

[rjs330]

It was their land in 1947.

No it wasn't. It has never been a Palestinian land. In 1947 it was still in British Control. It wasn't ever a Palestinian state. The area called Palestine has been controlled by many different interests and people's through our it's history. The Jews held it for years. Romans had it. None of the Arabic countries ever gave the people that lived there a country. They were always a part of something else. And when people tried to give them their own land they turned it down.

 

[Nithavela]

 

[essentialsaltes]

No it was not - it was under the British control

Individual families owned land and property there. Something like 750,000 Arab Palestinians were displaced from their land, and were never allowed by Israel to return.

Palestinian right of return​

Formulated for the first time on 27 June 1948 by United Nations mediator Folke Bernadotte, proponents of the right of return hold that it is a sacred right, as well as a human right, whose applicability both generally and specifically to the Palestinians is protected under international law.

Later that year it was formalized in a UN Resolution

Article 11 – Palestinian Refugees​

The main Article of Resolution 1948, for the purpose of this article, is Article 11 which deals with the return of refugees.

Article 11 of the resolution reads:

[The General Assembly] Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.

75 years later, Palestinian refugees (or rather their descendants at this point) are still being denied this right. There are now more than a million Palestinian refugees still literally living in UN refugee camps.

- that is why the United Nations turned the land over to Israel from the British in 1948.

That isn't what happened; the UN planned for a two-state solution, which was never put into action. The British left and the area fell into chaotic war.

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[Lukaris]

When all is said & done, the Palestinian political criminals who preach, condition, & enforce hatred of Israel on their people will never accept Israel’s right to exist. Israel has much to answer for too but they actually believe in a live & let live attitude if such a hope could actually be possible.

The enemies of Israel have done probably more to expand Israeli territory than Israel has like attacking & losing the 1967 & 1973 wars.


John 4:21-24

 

[friend of]

That isn't what happened; the UN planned for a two-state solution, which was never put into action. The British left and the area fell into chaotic war.

Because the Palestinians never agree to any solution. They have deftly rejected all solutions proposed by the Israeli government and still do to this day. They cannot co-exist, it seems.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Because the Palestinians never agree to any solution. They have deftly rejected all solutions proposed by the Israeli government and still do to this day. They cannot co-exist, it seems.

Agree. They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity for a peaceful solution.