Conrad Vine

[Gary K]

Friday night and Sabbath Conrad Vine held a 4 meeting series on what is coming on our world in a very short time. His basic message was now is the time to prepare to meet Jesus as his estimate of how much time we have left before persecution starts is a very few months.

This series will be available in about a month for download or streaming. I would highly recommend listening to them as he had some very eye opening things to say. He said the GC has made a decision to not support any church members who choose to not get vaccinated. He talked to Ted Wilson about and was told the GC would not reverse their decision. In fact, he was blackballed for speaking out. He told Wilson that he was acting like the Catholic church in this by refusing to support liberty of conscience.

 

[BobRyan]

The SDA church has never told its members that they must or must-not get vaccinated for any vaccine ever -- that I know of.

And as far as I know we have no doctrinal statement on whether children should ever be vaccinated or if adults should ever be vaccinated no matter what the illness one might select as the topic for that vaccine.

what is more... roll the clock back 5 years and I don't know that this topic ever even came up before that.

 

[Gary K]

The SDA church has never told its members that they must or must-not get vaccinated for any vaccine ever -- that I know of.

And as far as I know we have no doctrinal statement on whether children should ever be vaccinated or if adults should ever be vaccinated no matter what the illness one might select as the topic for that vaccine.

what is more... roll the clock back 5 years and I don't know that this topic ever even came up before that.

I have been listening to Conrad Vine's sermons for several years and understand from his approach to difficult subjects that he is an honest man. I also think that you have a prejudice against him from something you said about him a couple of years ago or so.

Someone started a thread in this forum about him and were were critical of him because he wouldn't support a movement that combined religion and politics. You said at that time that you didn't agree with Vine on a few things. You didn't say exactly what those things were but when I answered the guy's post and explained to him how mixing religion and politics always leads to the persecution of those who don't go along with the religion being pushed you didn't answer me or agree with me, that I can remember.

I'm not saying this out of spite. I'm saying this because I am following God's instructions to Ezekiel found in Ezekiel 33:7-9. Time is very short and none of us have time to mess around. It's time to get right with God and start that process as soon as possible. So while I have quite possibly irritated you I have done it from following God's instructions.

 

[BobRyan]

I have been listening to Conrad Vine's sermons for several years and understand from his approach to difficult subjects that he is an honest man.

Does he have any sermons on or before 2018 talking about his opposition to the SDA denomination's statements about vaccines??

You said at that time that you didn't agree with Vine on a few things. You didn't say exactly what those things were but when I answered the guy's post and explained to him how mixing religion and politics always leads to the persecution of those who don't go along with the religion being pushed you didn't answer me or agree with me, that I can remember.

I know that Ellen White held some strong positions about the Bible statements on Slavery and the value of human life - vs the US position on slavery in her days and how SDAs were to promote the value of human life in their votes for candidates for office.

She did the same thing when it came to the Bible position on the right to use and sell alcohol - and urging SDAs to vote for candidates opposed to the sale of alcohol.

We have a similar statement on some other commandments when it comes to the last six commandments.

 

[Gary K]

Does he have any sermons on or before 2018 talking about his opposition to the SDA denomination's statements about vaccines??


I know that Ellen White held some strong positions about the Bible statements on Slavery and the value of human life - vs the US position on slavery in her days and how SDAs were to promote the value of human life in their votes for candidates for office.

She did the same thing when it came to the Bible position on the right to use and sell alcohol - and urging SDAs to vote for candidates opposed to the sale of alcohol.

We have a similar statement on some other commandments when it comes to the last six commandments.

Why would Vine bave anything to say about vaccines before covid existed?

That is a nonsensical question.

 

[BobRyan]

Why would Vine bave anything to say about vaccines before covid existed?

Because the world had vaccines long before COVID and if the SDA denomination actually has/had a doctrinal position on Vaccines or position statement etc then it was known long before a 2020 event happened.

 

[Gary K]

Because the world had vaccines long before COVID and if the SDA denomination actually has/had a doctrinal position on Vaccines or position statement etc then it was known long before a 2020 event happened.

Bob,

Never has the world ever forced people to get a vaccine against their will. To go along with that and not stand up for church members who chose not to get vaccinated is a horse of another color. It is just what Vine said it was, acting like the Catholic church. To be blackballed for speaking out is evil. We need to stand up for the liberty of conscience Christ died for. To not do that is also evil and we don't have time for that. Our hearts need to be right with God NOW.

 

[reddogs]

Bob,

Never has the world ever forced people to get a vaccine against their will. To go along with that and not stand up for church members who chose not to get vaccinated is a horse of another color. It is just what Vine said it was, acting like the Catholic church. To be blackballed for speaking out is evil. We need to stand up for the liberty of conscience Christ died for. To not do that is also evil and we don't have time for that. Our hearts need to be right with God NOW.

These things have been happening since ancient times, and its foretold in many places in the scriptures especially for the many evils of the people. Its what we have to face and it has nothing really to do with liberty of conscience, its just a choice.

 

[Gary K]

Just a choice? Nothing more than that? I have spent thousands of hours researching the vaccines and these things are destroying people.

Since when do little kids die of strokes and heart attacks? These stories are making it into the main stream media. I read a story 2 or 3 weeks ago where the parents of a young boy in the 1st or 2nd grade are suing the school district their son went to because he collapsed in the school yard during recess and the teachers didn't check on him soon enough and he died. The teachers thought he was goofing off.

I also have in-laws who got vaccinated and are dying today because of it. My wife's adopted brother got the vaccine and his kidneys are failing and the doctors have told him his lungs look like popcorn. He's had to start dialysis as he is swelling up so badly he won't survive without it. One of my wife's uncles has a blood problem where his blood is leaked into his body cavity and the docs had a really hard time stopping it. He was in the hospital for 3 weeks or so, if I remember correctly. He's a retired SDA pastor and if the church had taken a stand on this he and his wife would most likely have never gotten vaccinated. They did it just because they wanted to travel so it wasn't like it was anything more than a convenience issue for them.

So, the church not taking a stand on this is a very serious issue. Everything I've talked about here are known issues with the vaccines. In fact, during the "testing period" more than 1200 people died and all of this was withheld for a long time. Only now are stories making it into the media on little kids dying but the media acts as if this is normal. The info on all the deaths during "testing" only came out because someone sued , I believe it was the CDC, under the FOIA act for the data, and a judge forced them to release it. Big pharma objected and wanted the records sealed for 50 years but the judge said no. Don't ask me for the website as I've forgotten it was about a year ago when all this came out.

At least one conference fired all the pastors who refused to take the vaccine according to Vine, and as I said, he's an honest guy.

 

[Gary K]

I could have sworn that a few people like The Narrow Way, Sparrow, and Freth had posted to this thread but all their posts are gone.

 

[reddogs]

Just a choice? Nothing more than that? I have spent thousands of hours researching the vaccines and these things are destroying people.

Since when do little kids die of strokes and heart attacks? These stories are making it into the main stream media. I read a story 2 or 3 weeks ago where the parents of a young boy in the 1st or 2nd grade are suing the school district their son went to because he collapsed in the school yard during recess and the teachers didn't check on him soon enough and he died. The teachers thought he was goofing off.

I also have in-laws who got vaccinated and are dying today because of it. My wife's adopted brother got the vaccine and his kidneys are failing and the doctors have told him his lungs look like popcorn. He's had to start dialysis as he is swelling up so badly he won't survive without it. One of my wife's uncles has a blood problem where his blood is leaked into his body cavity and the docs had a really hard time stopping it. He was in the hospital for 3 weeks or so, if I remember correctly. He's a retired SDA pastor and if the church had taken a stand on this he and his wife would most likely have never gotten vaccinated. They did it just because they wanted to travel so it wasn't like it was anything more than a convenience issue for them.

So, the church not taking a stand on this is a very serious issue. Everything I've talked about here are known issues with the vaccines. In fact, during the "testing period" more than 1200 people died and all of this was withheld for a long time. Only now are stories making it into the media on little kids dying but the media acts as if this is normal. The info on all the deaths during "testing" only came out because someone sued , I believe it was the CDC, under the FOIA act for the data, and a judge forced them to release it. Big pharma objected and wanted the records sealed for 50 years but the judge said no. Don't ask me for the website as I've forgotten it was about a year ago when all this came out.

At least one conference fired all the pastors who refused to take the vaccine according to Vine, and as I said, he's an honest guy.

Yes, and there will be worse things to come, so you have to prepare for it.

 

[Gary K]

Yes, and there will be worse things to come, so you have to prepare for it.

I agree. It's one of the reason's I posted this thread. That our GC president blackballed Vine over this unacceptable.

 

[tampasteve]

I could have sworn that a few people like The Narrow Way, Sparrow, and Freth had posted to this thread but all their posts are gone.

I can assure you that as far as I can see no posts have been removed from this thread by users or Administration.

 

[BobRyan]

Bob,

Never has the world ever forced people to get a vaccine against their will.

are you sure?

My job required that from time to time - I go to India to manage an office we had there. I could not go without getting a certain set of vaccines.

I could of course choose to "lose my job".

That is the same thing people faced in 2021 with COVID

I never had the situation come up where I could claim "My denomination has a religious conviction against getting those vaccines".

And a "lot" of SDAs where in that same situation including people in our own ADRA organization.

 

[Gary K]

are you sure?

My job required that from time to time - I go to India to manage an office we had there. I could not go without getting a certain set of vaccines.

I could of course choose to "lose my job".

That is the same thing people faced in 2021 with COVID

I never had the situation come up where I could claim "My denomination has a religious conviction against getting those vaccines".

And a "lot" of SDAs where in that same situation including people in our own ADRA organization.

Positive. So your situation is the only one any SDA has ever been in? No other possibilities could ever exist? ADRA is one powerful argument for what I'm saying. These vaccines are deadly, as I have said elsewhere. Your life is in danger.

 

[Gary K]

I can assure you that as far as I can see no posts have been removed from this thread by users or Administration.

Thank you.

Long time no see. After the last time we talked I didn't know you would ever speak to me again so I really appreciate you stepping into the thread to inform me.

 

[Gary K]

are you sure?

My job required that from time to time - I go to India to manage an office we had there. I could not go without getting a certain set of vaccines.

I could of course choose to "lose my job".

That is the same thing people faced in 2021 with COVID

I never had the situation come up where I could claim "My denomination has a religious conviction against getting those vaccines".

And a "lot" of SDAs where in that same situation including people in our own ADRA organization.

I have more to say about vaccines.

This is so important that Jesus predicted these events.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

One of the first lessons learned about the vaccines is that they "shed". That came about because what was happening to women's reproductive cycles. Little girls, and by that I mean 4 and 5 year olds began bleeding as if they were already menstruating, and women of childbearing age began bleeding constantly or very irregularly. Also menopausal women began bleeding again either continually, or irregularly. The only common link was being around other people who had been vaccinated.

Not all batches of vaccines are created the same so it is possible to gotten vaccinated be symptom free. I think this was done to spread confusion about the deadliness of the vaccines. But to ride on an airplane being in close proximity to other vaccinated people can get you infected.

Right now for a Christian faith in God is our best protection as He will keep his people free of being infected. But this is only for those who practice RxF for they are the only people on earth who will remain faithful to Him and make it through the time of trouble.

 

[BobRyan]

One of the first lessons learned about the vaccines is that they "shed".

That is not new with COVID.

That came about because what was happening to women's reproductive cycles. Little girls, and by that I mean 4 and 5 year olds began bleeding as if they were already menstruating, and women of childbearing age began bleeding constantly or very irregularly. Also menopausal women began bleeding again either continually, or irregularly. The only common link was being around other people who had been vaccinated.

Not all batches of vaccines are created the same so it is possible to gotten vaccinated be symptom free.

In addition the practice in the US of not aspirating the syringe is a dangerous one and should be looked at. But it is a practice in general and not specific to COVID. The idea that a bad batch can exist or that bad side effects can occur is common to all of the vaccines. We did not suddenly enter the field of "vaccines" in 2020.

 

[Gary K]

That is not new with COVID.

In addition the practice in the US of not aspirating the syringe is a dangerous one and should be looked at. But it is a practice in general and not specific to COVID. The idea that a bad batch can exist or that bad side effects can occur is common to all of the vaccines. We did not suddenly enter the field of "vaccines" in 2020.

Yes it is. Never before has a human vaccine slowly killed people and caused those around them to suffer the same sicknesses the vaccine causes in those who chose to get vaccinated. I defy you to find a case history of this ever happening before.

This has been done before in Australia with mice as they get really bad plagues of mice there. But they limited the number of times the shedding could take place as no one wanted to eliminate the species on the continent.

One of my wife's granddaughters was vaccinated without her permission or knowledge. She was pregnant and having problems and put into the hospital. She was Lifeflighted to Spokane as Colville is pretty small and the doctor here thought she needed the better facilities in Spokane. She waited overnight and half of another day for someone to treat her. She called on her cell phone asking when someone would be there to treat and got the same reply that someone would be there right away but still no one showed up. When someone finally did show up they told her she needed a shot. I can't remember what type of shot they told her as this happened a year and half or so ago but it was a shot that is given in the stomach area. The shot they gave her was given in the arm and left the same mark and pain a covid vaccination leaves. Thee stories on the internet of hospitals refusing to even feed patients unless they consented to be vaccinated are very numerous, or at least they used to be as Google has changed their algorithms to bury the stories. But, and this is a big but, this happened to people my wife knows here in the Colville hospital.

Everything about this vaccine is dishonest. The number of people who died from it during the so-called safety testing period of three months is incredible. More than1200 people died during those trials. This was revealed during a FOIA trial where the FDA or CDC was sued to reveal the documentation they used to approve the vaccine. They wanted to seal the files for 50 years but fortunately the judge was honest and said no. Also, the average time to get a vaccine approved before this one was around 15 - 20 years. This one was released in less than a year. Think any safety testing was eliminated in the trials?

 

[BobRyan]

Yes it is. Never before has a human vaccine slowly killed people and caused those around them to suffer the same sicknesses the vaccine causes in those who chose to get vaccinated. I defy you to find a case history of this ever happening before.

hindsight is 20/20 in every age.

But there was never a time in history when we were able to come up with a corona virus vaccine that then could be given and help people ... not ever. No matter how much time we had to do it.

And there was never a time when we were able to come up with a vaccine for a virus in so short a time.

And the number of people that the virus was predicted to kill in America alone was in the millions to start with .

Knowing 2 months into the epidemic what we would know 3.5 years into it - was never possible for any vaccine in all of history.