Those Who Transgress the Torah, Dishonor YHWH.

[Soyeong]

Works demonstrates that one has faith, they do not save one.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21), and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while we do not earn our salvation as a wage by our works, living in obedience to God's law is nevertheless intrinsically the content of the gift of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it. For example, the experience of honoring our parents is intrinsically part of being saved from the experience of not honoring our parents.

The insistence that only the saturday sabeth is correct is a work that denies the need for faith, as well as denieing Jesus's teaching that the sabeth was made for mans benefit.

If you think that God made the Sabbath for man's benefit, then you should value it as a priceless gift rather than spurn it. There is nothing about the Sabbath being made for man's benefit that means that we aren't obligated to keep it holy. The way to have faith in God to correctly divide between right and wrong is by obediently following His instructions, while it is refusing to do that which is denying the need for faith and Christ's teachings.

saying that only a literal obedience to the written words in the Torah is not spititual, but legalism.

If God is legalistic for giving the Torah and Jesus is legalistic for spending his ministry teaching his followers how to obey it by word and by example, when we should be legalistic, however, that is not what legalism refers to. It is not legalism to think that followers of God should follow His commands, but rather it is a sin not to.

 

[Leaf473]

Only down to the iota and serif.


(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness (keeping the law) should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

That's cool. That's probably where we would disagree, then.

 

[Carl Emerson]

How does this relate to what Yahshua taught?


(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness (keeping the law) should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

You seem to struggle to synthesise the teaching of Paul and the teaching of Jesus.

 

[Clare73]

(CLV) Ja 2:14
What is the benefit, my brethren, if anyone should be saying he has faith, yet may have no works? That faith can not save him.

And works can?

 

[Clare73]

I gave you scripture, not an opinion.
Here is what Yahshua taught:

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by,
one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

And all was fulfilled, in him--the sacrifices, the cleansings, the feasts, etc.

(CLV) Mt 5:19
"Whosoever, then, should be annulling one of the least of these precepts, and should be teaching men thus, the least in the kingdom of the heavens shall he be called. Yet whoever should be doing and teaching them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of the heavens.

Love annulls nothing, and is the fulfilling of everything. (Romans 13:8-10)

(CLV) Mt 5:20
For I am saying to you that, if ever your righteousness (keeping the law) should not be superabounding more than that of the scribes and Pharisees, by no means may you be entering into the kingdom of the heavens.

And it is so only in righteousness (justification) from God (Romans 1:17, Romans 3:21-22) by faith, apart from works (Romans 3:28).

Should I trust your opinion; or Yahshua's teaching?

And Jesus' teaching is that of his apostles.
Your issue is with the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, and his apostles (Luke 10:16; Matthew 10:40; John 15:20; 1 Thessalonians 2:13.)

Faith in the Messiah is. . .among other things believing what he and his apostles taught.

 

[For_Faith]

And works can?

Faith goes hand in hand with believing God and doing what God commands.

Example:
"You shall not murder"

But some people may believe that they can murder with the thought of repenting later and somehow applying the sacrifice of Christ to cover their sins and that God will somehow say: You're saved even if you murder people.

You see, if one goes about sinning and that is Okay with God, then Christ truly died in vain. But God doesn't want a sacrifice. God wants you to listen and accept instruction for your own good so that God can save you and you can get saved by listening to God.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Faith goes hand in hand with believing God and doing what God commands.

Example:
"You shall not murder"

But some people may believe that they can murder with the thought of repenting later and somehow applying the sacrifice of Christ to cover their sins and that God will somehow say: You're saved even if you murder people.

You see, if one goes about sinning and that is Okay with God, then Christ truly died in vain. But God doesn't want a sacrifice. God wants you to listen and accept instruction for your own good so that God can save you and you can get saved by listening to God.

This is a non-event if it applied to the elect.

The Holy Spirit within constrains us...

Walking in the Spirit does not allow for the sins of the flesh.

 

[For_Faith]

Walking in the Spirit does not allow for the sins of the flesh.

Obeying God does not allow for transgression of the law either, because no one can serve two masters.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Obeying the Law was never possible for man. God Himself had to Finish the Law by obeying it Himself.

The elect obey the author of the Law who indwells them.

 

[HARK!]

You seem to struggle to synthesise the teaching of Paul and the teaching of Jesus.

I notice that you failed to answer the question.

 

[HARK!]

Obeying the Law was never possible for man.

YHWH is not a liar.

(CLV) Dt 30:11
For this instruction that I am enjoining on you today, it is neither too difficult for you, nor is it too far off.

 

[HARK!]

And all was fulfilled, in him--the sacrifices, the cleansings, the feasts, etc.

When?

 

[HARK!]

Faith in the Messiah is. . .among other things believing what he and his apostles taught.

Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear The Law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey The Law who will be declared righteous.

 

[Carl Emerson]

YHWH is not a liar.

(CLV) Dt 30:11
For this instruction that I am enjoining on you today, it is neither too difficult for you, nor is it too far off.

I agree...

Romans 9:31
but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Titus 3:9
...avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

 

[HARK!]

Romans 9:31
but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law.

(CLV) Ho 14:9
Who is wise shall also understand these things. These being understood, he shall also acknowledge them. For upright are the ways of Yahweh, And the righteous, they shall walk in them. Yet the transgressors, they shall be stumbled in them.

 

[HARK!]

Titus 3:9
...avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

(CLV) 1Jn 3:7
Little children, let no one be deceiving you. He who is doing righteousness is just, according as He is just.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Have a great day...

 

[Soyeong]

Obeying the Law was never possible for man. God Himself had to Finish the Law by obeying it Himself.

The elect obey the author of the Law who indwells them.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, God said that His law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience bring death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that was never possible. Furthermore, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, such as with it being within the realm of possibility to honor our parents. The reason why Jesus followed the law was not so that we don't have to, but so that we would have an example to follow, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22).

I agree...

Romans 9:31
but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law.

In Romans 9:30-10:4, they had a zeal for God because it was not based on knowledge of Him, so they failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law and pursued it is as through righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own rather than pursuing it as through righteousness were by faith in Christ, for knowing Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith.

Titus 3:9
...avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to obey His law is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation. Furthermore, in Titus 3:1-8, Paul exhorted them to do good works, and God's law is His instructions for equipping us to do every good work. In 1 Timothy 1:8, God's law is good if one uses it properly, so what Titus 3:9 says against its incorrect uses should not be mistaken as speaking against it's correct uses.

 

[Tolworth John]

(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.



Yahshua didn't teach what you purport.

Here is what YHWH says:

(CLV) Ex 31:13
Now you, speak to the sons of Israel saying-, Surely, My sabbaths shall you keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations to know that I am Yahweh, Who is hallowing you.

I'm objecting to your insistence that Christians ' must ' worship only on Saturday.
Paul, a devout Jew, showed us that we are able to worship on any day, that there was no set day of worship.