How exactly does salvation work?

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How exactly does one receive salvation and eternal life? How can one get to the kingdom of heaven?

The concept of salvation and kingdom of heaven seems to be quite vague to me. I've asked many people, how exactly one can receive salvation and eternal life? It's quite surprising that even though this is a fundamental reason why people keep a life of faith, it seems like believers are unsure exactly how it works or there are so many different opinions about it that it leaves one wondering, which explanation makes sense and is according to the scriptures. I'm curious how the people in this forum will tackle and explain this question as I am curious about this as well myself.
 

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How exactly does one receive salvation and eternal life? How can one get to the kingdom of heaven?

The concept of salvation and kingdom of heaven seems to be quite vague to me. I've asked many people, how exactly one can receive salvation and eternal life? It's quite surprising that even though this is a fundamental reason why people keep a life of faith, it seems like believers are unsure exactly how it works or there are so many different opinions about it that it leaves one wondering, which explanation makes sense and is according to the scriptures. I'm curious how the people in this forum will tackle and explain this question as I am curious about this as well myself.

If you're confused by all the modern voices giving you conflicting information, go to the oldest voice and see what it has to say. Salvation works the same today as it always has: Repentance of evil, baptism for the forgiveness of past sins, participation in the sacraments of the Church, and live a life worthy of entering heaven.

If anyone can find something in the bible or in the history of the Church that refutes any of that I'm willing to listen.
 
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Thank you for taking your time to answer my question. The things you have mentioned makes sense. So if one keeps these things until they pass away, then they will have salvation and enter heaven?

What if a believer did do these things, however stopped and died not doing them, what will happen to such a person? Will they still enter heaven or not?

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If you're confused by all the modern voices giving you conflicting information, go to the oldest voice and see what it has to say. Salvation works the same today as it always has: Repentance of evil, baptism for the forgiveness of past sins, participation in the sacraments of the Church, and live a life worthy of entering heaven.

If anyone can find something in the bible or in the history of the Church that refutes any of that I'm willing to listen.
 
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Thank you for taking your time to answer my question. The things you have mentioned makes sense. So if one keeps these things until they pass away, then they will have salvation and enter heaven?

What if a believer did do these things, however stopped and died not doing them, what will happen to such a person? Will they still enter heaven or not?

Thank you

The bible is filled with warnings against falling away. Both in the old testament and the new. But there is no defined definition for what it means to fall away. The new testament has it that if one were to fall away he cannot return, see Hebrews 6:4-8. The Church decided some time later that if a person apostatizes they can in fact return after a period of penance. It is said among some well respected Orthodox commentators that if one abandons the Church entirely they lose their soul.
 
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How exactly does one receive salvation and eternal life? How can one get to the kingdom of heaven?

The concept of salvation and kingdom of heaven seems to be quite vague to me. I've asked many people, how exactly one can receive salvation and eternal life? It's quite surprising that even though this is a fundamental reason why people keep a life of faith, it seems like believers are unsure exactly how it works or there are so many different opinions about it that it leaves one wondering, which explanation makes sense and is according to the scriptures. I'm curious how the people in this forum will tackle and explain this question as I am curious about this as well myself.
Salvation begins with being born again by the Holy Spirit.

Without the spiritual transformation, there is no salvation.
 
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The bible is filled with warnings against falling away. Both in the old testament and the new. But there is no defined definition for what it means to fall away. The new testament has it that if one were to fall away he cannot return, see Hebrews 6:4-8. The Church decided some time later that if a person apostatizes they can in fact return after a period of penance. It is said among some well respected Orthodox commentators that if one abandons the Church entirely they lose their soul.

I see, speaking of being able to enter the kingdom of heaven. So when one dies, doing the things you've mentioned, how does salvation happen then? Will ones spirit go to the spiritual realm and live there forever and ever with God? Or will this heaven be on this earth in the physical realm. I believe its important for us to also consider the end destination of salvation and eternal life. Again there are many interpretations how this can unfold.
 
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Salvation begins with being born again by the Holy Spirit.

Without the spiritual transformation, there is no salvation.

Thank you, yes I do remember this is mentioned in Jn 3. But how does one exactly become born again with the holy spirit?
 
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How exactly does one receive salvation and eternal life? How can one get to the kingdom of heaven?

The concept of salvation and kingdom of heaven seems to be quite vague to me. I've asked many people, how exactly one can receive salvation and eternal life? It's quite surprising that even though this is a fundamental reason why people keep a life of faith, it seems like believers are unsure exactly how it works or there are so many different opinions about it that it leaves one wondering, which explanation makes sense and is according to the scriptures. I'm curious how the people in this forum will tackle and explain this question as I am curious about this as well myself.

Two different gospels, for two different people. (And yeah... I know one of them says there's only one gospel... but in saying it, he describes the other one... giving the game away. There seems to have been a mission-field overlap in the large province of Galatia.)

The 1st Gospel was spoken of by the Prophets for the House of Israel... the good news of the Kingdom of David.

The 2nd gospel is Paul's mystery gospel for the gentiles... christ crucified and the imputation doctrines.

Some people use both gospels at the same time and don't even seem to know it.
 
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I see, speaking of being able to enter the kingdom of heaven. So when one dies, doing the things you've mentioned, how does salvation happen then? Will ones spirit go to the spiritual realm and live there forever and ever with God? Or will this heaven be on this earth in the physical realm. I believe its important for us to also consider the end destination of salvation and eternal life. Again there are many interpretations how this can unfold.

Salvation only happens at the final judgement. You'll see here and there of people who have been saved, but it is only a point in time along the process. A person enters into salvation initially through baptism, so we can say they have been saved. But that salvation is never completed on earth. A person might fall away later through sin or apostasy. If they were to do that are we still to say that they are saved?

One illustration of that very point is found in a mistake protestants make in reading Ephesians 2:8-9. It says:

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Some use that to mean nothing you do afterwards counts. But here again is the saved past tense. But no one is saved until the end. See here:

Mat 24:13 “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

So it takes endurance to the end to finally attain salvation. Then looking back at Ephesians 2:8 and putting it in its proper context in light of Ephesians 2:1-7, you see that the writer is addressing previous works. The writer even goes into some detail of how the Ephesians had been living prior to entering into salvation, and pointing out that there was nothing they had done to deserve it. So the "works" the writer was addressing was their prior works. They had entered into salvation solely by the grace of God. It was "not of works, lest anyone should boast". But the endurance required afterwards -including doing good works- is what the final judgement will decide.

Rev 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
 
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No nonsense - to the point - in complete context - nothing added - nothing left out:


1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1. Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4. And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I declare unto you the gospel... By which also ye are saved
  1. Christ died for our sins
  2. he was buried
  3. and that he rose again the third day
 
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How exactly does one receive salvation and eternal life?
Hello TedBRS, I noticed that you are brand new around here, so I thought that the first thing that I should say is, WELCOME TO CF :wave:

As far as 'receiving' salvation and eternal life from God, we do so by coming to saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. You need not take my word for it however as God has plenty to say about it in the Bible :oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup: So, here are some verses to get you started.

Genesis 15
6 Abraham believed the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

John 3

16 God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 5
24 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, ~has~ eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

2 Corinthians 5
21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Romans 10
9 If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
10 for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Ephesians 2
8 By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a ~result~ of works, so that no one may boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for/unto good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Titus 3
5 He saved us, ~not~ on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy.
There is MUCH more to say, but I'll leave you to consider the Scriptures above and wait to hear if you have any comments or questions about them (or anything else) before I continue.

May God bless you as you seek to know Him and be saved by Him!!

--David
p.s. - God's "saving grace" is defined as His "UN-merited favor" towards us. I thought that I should include that definition here, but I will discuss it with you later (if you'd like to that is).

Romans 11
6 If it is by grace, then it is no longer on the basis of works; if it were, then grace would no longer be grace.
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Thank you, yes I do remember this is mentioned in Jn 3. But how does one exactly become born again with the holy spirit?
children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. (John 1:13)

It's based on God

Since God is a "Spirit" keeping those "airways" open to receive might be a good place to start, faith or trust is like breathing in that sense.

Since it is described using the metaphor of childbirth, the process takes a long time, the specifics of individual perception vary. However, it's always God who brings about the new birth.
 
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How exactly does one receive salvation and eternal life? How can one get to the kingdom of heaven?

The concept of salvation and kingdom of heaven seems to be quite vague to me. I've asked many people, how exactly one can receive salvation and eternal life? It's quite surprising that even though this is a fundamental reason why people keep a life of faith, it seems like believers are unsure exactly how it works or there are so many different opinions about it that it leaves one wondering, which explanation makes sense and is according to the scriptures. I'm curious how the people in this forum will tackle and explain this question as I am curious about this as well myself.

It's not how to get to heaven .. but is one being fit for heaven.

Is one's life being regenerated , is one's thinking being changed towards the mind and actions of Christ .... if one's thinking is changed then so will their actions.

Galatians 2:20

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Colossians 3:10

And have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.

God’s plan for our salvation has three parts in this order: Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification.


Justification:

Each one of us have broken God’s Law. This is sin. The wages of sin is (eternal) death (cease to exist forever). This price is more than we can ever repay–it is impossible. Because of God the father’s unconditional love for the us, he gave his only begotten Son Jesus to pay for our debt of eternal death on the cross. This one time event was done by Jesus. Only Jesus is worthy to pay the price for each one of us because he never sinned. He has not broken God’s Law. Jesus (in the form of a man) died a physical death, giving His life willingly and was raised back to life; thus conquering eternal death.

sanctification

It’s the reciprocation of our love toward God. We are sanctified with the help of the Holy Spirit (Comforter) that Jesus gives us. Sanctification means to set a part or to make holy. His Holy Spirit helps us in this process to become more like Christ. This is not a one time event; it’s a life long process (we stumble here and there). The process of sanctifying and purifying us (the works that Jesus does in the believer, and is not of ourselves) ... it is HIM working in us and through us. We are separated from the world. We are in the physical world but not of the world spiritually. Our mind (thinking) changes over time and therefore our actions also change. Our faith increases more and more as He faithfully works in us. Hebrews 12:2

The third stage in the plan of salvation is our glorification.

We won’t be glorified until after Jesus returns. John writes of this in his first letter when he states that “when he shall appear we shall be like him (1 John 3:2). Paul refers to this stage frequently. For example: “For this corruptible must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality (1 Corinthians 15:53). He also refers to a time when “we shall all be changed in a moment in in a twinkling of an eye at the last trump” (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). Paul speaks further of the doctrine of glorification when he says in Romans 8:18, “For the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.” We receive glorified spiritual bodies. Receiving eternal life and being with Him forevermore. Those saved (justification + sanctification) will be glorified when Christ returns at the first resurrection.

And because of His grace (favor) if we remain in Him He will accomplish His work in us.

Philippians 1:6

New Living Translation
And I am certain that God, who began the good work within you, will continue his work until it is finally finished on the day when Christ Jesus returns.

God Bless.
 
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Salvation only happens at the final judgement. You'll see here and there of people who have been saved, but it is only a point in time along the process. A person enters into salvation initially through baptism, so we can say they have been saved. But that salvation is never completed on earth. A person might fall away later through sin or apostasy. If they were to do that are we still to say that they are saved?

One illustration of that very point is found in a mistake protestants make in reading Ephesians 2:8-9. It says:

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Some use that to mean nothing you do afterwards counts. But here again is the saved past tense.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

= Pauline grace vs Kingdom works
 
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Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. (v7)

= Pauline grace vs Kingdom works

It is through that grace that we receive forgiveness of our previous sins. And no one does anything to deserve it. It is not of works. It is not a reward for anything anyone has done. But the first requirement -the first word of the gospel- is repent.

Act 26:20 “but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

And in the end:

Mat 16:27 “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
 
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Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

= Pauline grace vs Kingdom works

It is through that grace that we receive forgiveness of our previous sins. And no one does anything to deserve it. It is not of works.
[...]
Mat 16:27 “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

Two different gospels, for two different people.
[...]
Some people use both gospels at the same time and don't even seem to know it.
 
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How exactly does one receive salvation and eternal life? How can one get to the kingdom of heaven?

The concept of salvation and kingdom of heaven seems to be quite vague to me. I've asked many people, how exactly one can receive salvation and eternal life? It's quite surprising that even though this is a fundamental reason why people keep a life of faith, it seems like believers are unsure exactly how it works or there are so many different opinions about it that it leaves one wondering, which explanation makes sense and is according to the scriptures. I'm curious how the people in this forum will tackle and explain this question as I am curious about this as well myself.

Hello and welcome!

The Hebrew word "yada" refers to knowledge that is gained by experience, relationship, or intimacy, such as in Genesis 4:1, where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know (yada) Him and Israel too, and in Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus said that only those who do with will of the Father will enter the Kingdom of Heaven and that he will tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, and in John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, so the goal of the law is to teach us how to have that experience, which comes through expressing God's nature. In Jeremiah 9:3 and 9:6, they did not know God and refused to know Him because in 9:13, they had forsaken His law, while in 9:24, those who know God know that He delights in practicing steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in all of the earth, so delighting in expressing these and other aspects of God's nature through our obedience to God's law is the way to know God, and the Son, who is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrews 1:3). Likewise, in 1 John 2:4, those who say that they know Jesus, but don't obey his commands are liars, and in 1 John 3:4-6, those who continue to practice sin in transgression of God's law have neither seen nor known him.

Before eating from either tree, Adam and Eve were at a crossroads between mortality and immortality where they became mortal by eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, but they would have become immortal if they had eaten from the Tree of Life, so that is the same choice that Moses presented before the Israelites in Deuteronomy 30:15-20 between life and dead, life and a blessing for obedience to God's law, or death and a curse for living in disobedience to it. In Deuteronomy 32:47, God's law is our very life. In Proverbs 3:18, she is a tree of life for those who take hold of her. In Proverbs 6:23, For the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life. In Matthew 19:17, the way to enter eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Luke 10:25-28, the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments. In Revelation 22:14, those who obey God's commandments will be given access to the tree of life. In Romans 2:6-7, those who persist in doing good will be given eternal life. In Romans 6:19-23, not longer presenting ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin is contrasted with now presenting ourselves as slaves to God and to righteousness leading to sanctification and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, so the gift of having the quality of life that is in Christ in accordance with His nature in obedience to God's commands is the type of life that goes on forever.

Salvation and eternal life are not extrinsic results, such as if we do a good enough job obeying certain commands, then we will earn it as a wage, but rather the things that we are doing is intrinsically connected to the content of what salvation and eternal life are, such as being healthier is intrinsically the result of eating healthier. When we express a aspect of God's nature through our obedience to one of His commands, we are expressing our love for that aspect of who God is, which is why there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that connect our love for God with our obedience to His commandments, so it is intrinsically the way to love God, not extrinsically where we need to prove our love for God by doing a list of chores that God wants done. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's law (1 John 3:4), so while we do not extrinsically earn our salvation as a wage by obeying God's law, living in obedience to it is nevertheless intrinsically part of the concept of Jesus saving us from not living in obedience to it.

God's way is the way in which he expresses aspects of His nature, such as justice and righteous, which brings about the promises in accordance with the Gospel (Genesis 18:19, Genesis 26:4-5, Galatians 3:8) and God's law is His instructions for how to be blessed by walking in His way (1 Kings 2:1-3, Psalms 119:1-3), which is also why the Bible often uses the same terms to describe the nature of God as its does to describe the nature of God's law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), or with justice, mercy, and faithfulness being weightier matters of the law (Matthew 23:23). So the Kingdom of Heaven is spread where it citizens are a blessing to others by multiplying the nature of God by teaching others to repent from their wickedness and showing them how to walk in God's way in obedience to His law, which is the way to inherit the promise through faith, and Jesus was sent as the fulfillment of that promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26).
 
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Two different gospels, for two different people. (And yeah... I know one of them says there's only one gospel... but in saying it, he describes the other one... giving the game away. There seems to have been a mission-field overlap in the large province of Galatia.)

The 1st Gospel was spoken of by the Prophets for the House of Israel... the good news of the Kingdom of David.

The 2nd gospel is Paul's mystery gospel for the gentiles... christ crucified and the imputation doctrines.

Some people use both gospels at the same time and don't even seem to know it.

Those are just different ways of describing the same Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham. In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to Gentiles, and God's law was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is an integral part of the Gospel of the Kingdom, which Jesus prophesied would be proclaimed to all nations (Matthew 24:12-14), and which Jesus commissioned his disciples to spread to all nations (Matthew 28:16-20). Christ also set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to God's law, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6). Furthermore, in Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to God's law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through his ministry and through the cross (Acts 21:20), which is all part of the same Gospel message.

In Psalms 119:29-30, David wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him His law, and he chose the way of faithfulness, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him His way that he might know Him and Israel too, in 1 Kings 2:1-3, God taught how to walk in His way through His law, and in John 17:3, eternal life is knowing God and Jesus, which is again salvation by grace through faith. In Genesis 6:8-9, Noah found grace in the eyes of God, he was a righteous man, and he walked with God, so God was gracious to Noah by teaching him how to walk in His way in obedience to His law and he was declared righteous because he obeyed through faith, which is the same means as Abraham (Genesis 15:6) and everyone else. In Romans 1:5, we have received grace in order to bring about the obedience of faith, and in Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so God graciously teaching us to obey His law is itself part of the content of His gift of salvation. In Romans 15:4, Paul said that OT Scripture was written for our instruction, and in Romans 15:18-19, his Gospel involved bringing Gentiles to obedience in word and in deed, so his Gospel of grace is the same as the Gospel of the Kingdom. Furthermore, Romans 10:16, 2 Thessalonian 1:8, and 1 Peter 4:17 all speak against those who do not obey the Gospel.
 
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