New Interpretation of the bible

[SkyWriting]

Well, it was important to me. I spent decades of my life as a Protestant, largely oblivious to Orthodoxy. I had no idea that it was, in fact, the one true church as I now believe it to be. In 52 years as a Christian, I have never encountered a Protestant who had any understanding of Orthodoxy much beyond "they're basically just Catholics, right?" Uh, not exactly.

We only know the fate of a couple of the Apostles, but tradition hardly has them all abandoning the faith. At Jesus' arrest, yes, but not after the Resurrection. I don't see that whatever point you're making goes anywhere. There is no question that the oral eyewitness tradition is the source of the Gospels and that the Apostles and close disciples were the principal eyewitnesses. The Apostolic and Early Church Fathers were obviously the next closest to those who had actually known Jesus or known those who had known Jesus.

We can agree to disagree, but I believe there are far more and more significant differences within Protestantism than you're suggesting, as well as some serious differences between Orthodoxy and much Protestantism.

You made the claim that following the Apostles are important for the church to know God. I just wondered where your idea is from.

Psalm 19:1
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Romans 1:19-20
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Psalm 115:16
The heavens are the Lord's heavens, but the earth he has given to the children of man.

 

[SkyWriting]

They use them differently because they are not conveying the truth, if it worked as you say we would have set times in different denominations learning the different aspects and we all would be living and seeing understanding the scriptures the same but we don’t .

You haven't described any differences. So I can't deny or support your assertions that they exist.

 

[SkyWriting]

We only know the fate of a couple of the Apostles, but tradition hardly has them all abandoning the faith. At Jesus' arrest, yes...,

After being with Jesus three years they abandoned Him? How can you justify that?
I'd stick with my Sunday School teacher after three years of training.
And that would be one day a week.
So these are the people I should follow rather than Jesus? I don't get it.

 

[messianist]

You haven't described any differences. So I can't deny or support your assertions that they exist.

Jw, Mormonism start with Just those for now what branch from scripture would I get from them ?

 

[SkyWriting]

They use them differently because they are not conveying the truth, if it worked as you say we would have set times in different denominations learning the different aspects and we all would be living and seeing understanding the scriptures the same but we don’t .

I say we do and you've not identified any differences.

 

[messianist]

I say we do and you've not identified any differences.

Maybe you posted that early or as I was writing rather.

 

[miamited]

Ever since protestantism exist there are so many new interpretation or so called system taught by multiple "teachers"

It's hard to discern. Calvinisms don't exist in the early church, dispensationalism was another alien system. Was so many Christians accept these teaching which the early church never taught? The early church isn't perfect, they're also trying at their time, but if something new came up after 1600 yrs I would question why the early theologian don't see the so-called light in the Bible.

If there's no new interpretation there's no new revelation, there's only false teaching. The reformation theology isn't trying to invent new doctrine but go back to the original teaching or form of the church.

Hi @Jesusthekingofking

While I agree that as a born again believer we must be very careful as to what and who we believe is telling us the truth about God. However, 'new' interpretations of the Scriptures have been around since the advent of the formal RCC organization and even earlier. They have dozens of 'interpretations' that are nowhere found in the Scriptures, but they approve of them because they fully in their hearts believe that their formal organization has the ability and authority to interpret what the Scriptures are saying. They also believe in their hearts that the organization itself, through proclamations of various sorts, has the same authority as the Scriptures.

So, I merely say that to point out that this idea of 'new interpretations' that is disturbing you have been around for centuries. Since from very early on in the life of those called out by the gospel of Jesus. Paul, in his letters spends some time dispelling false beliefs and doctrines that were creeping into the fellowship of the believers. In the letters to the churches found in the Revelation of Jesus we read of several fellowships that Jesus himself says are following wrong ways and practices.

But, I fully believe that if you have been born again, and you pray for the discernment of the Holy Spirit, you will know and keep away from such practices. The fact that they come, is pretty much prophetic. Most every new covenant writer warns of false teachings and teachers. But you, keep yourself pure in your worship and trust the word of God to lead you where you need to go and in what you need to know.

God bless,
Ted

 

[SkyWriting]

Jw, Mormonism start with Just those for now what branch from scripture would I get from them ?

I can't think of a single Mormon involved in a morality scandal.
So I'd have to say that all Mormons have all turned out pretty close to my beliefs.
But I can come up with a long list of non-Mormon scandals.

I'm going to research Mormon scandals now.

OK...I did find sexual abuse issues. Certainly not unique ones though.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

There are over 46 thousand denominations in the world, all believe they have the truth.

Where you get the number?

 

[messianist]

Where you get the number?

Look it up might not be so funny

 

[messianist]

I can't think of a single Mormon involved in a morality scandal.
So I'd have to say that all Mormons have all turned out pretty close to my beliefs.
But I can come up with a long list of non-Mormon scandals.

 

[messianist]

I didn’t say scandals you said each denomination teaches a different branch of scripture, straight away your moving the goal post.

 

[Jesusthekingofking]

You made the claim that following the Apostles are important for the church to know God. I just wondered where your idea is from.

Psalm 19:1
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

Romans 1:19-20
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Psalm 115:16
The heavens are the Lord's heavens, but the earth he has given to the children of man.

Are you kidding me? Jesus taught and setup the apostles to spread the gospel, if you disapprove their teaching you're not really a Christian, unless you live the same age with jesus and he taught you directly

 

[Andrewn]

Calvinisms don't exist in the early church, dispensationalism was another alien system.

It's so much better to ignore the ideas of Calvinism and Dispensationalism.

 

[SkyWriting]

Are you kidding me? Jesus taught and setup the apostles to spread the gospel, if you disapprove their teaching you're not really a Christian, unless you live the same age with jesus and he taught you directly

Not at all. Perhaps the Bible is kidding me.

2 Corinthians 3:3
And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Ezekiel 11:19
And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,

Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 

[SkyWriting]

I didn’t say scandals you said each denomination teaches a different branch of scripture, straight away your moving the goal post.

For goal posts you need to be on the field.
Where are these Christian denominational differences you imagined?
I explained that they all are supported by scripture.

 

[messianist]

For goal posts you need to be on the field.
Where are these denominational differences?

Your sarcasm shows a lot you can’t answer a simple question hence why you moved away from the question.

ps not all goal post are in field's

 

[SkyWriting]

Your sarcasm shows a lot you can’t answer a simple question hence why you moved away from the question.

We all know Mormons are considered a cult. My response being that they seem more in line with Christian ethics than most Christian groups are.

I've offered you no sarcasm of any kind.

 

[messianist]

We all know Mormons are considered a cult. My response being that they seem more in line with Christian ethics than most Christian groups are.

We are going around in circles here.

 

[SkyWriting]

We are going around in circles here.

You claim denominational differences but are usable to list even one.
So no wonder you can't move out of your hole.