Border Crisis

[ralliann]

Feel free to articulate the conspiracy theory I have advanced in this forum.

No, but i am sure you want it. As if threads were not a plenty about Trump, Russia, on and on. Keep it going

 

[Arcangl86]

No, but i am sure you want it. As if threads were not a plenty about Trump, Russia, on and on. Keep it going

Except there is evidence that Russia influenced the election and that there were contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russian agents. There is no evidence of systematic voter fraud in general or non-citizen voting in particular, except for isolated cases.

 

[Belk]

No, but i am sure you want it. As if threads were not a plenty about Trump, Russia, on and on. Keep it going

 

[ralliann]

Except there is evidence that Russia influenced the election and that there were contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russian agents. There is no evidence of systematic voter fraud in general or non-citizen voting in particular, except for isolated cases.

Not going there. It is just another tactic to divide and hate. As of course I disagree with you. No surprise.

 

[comana]

Why wouldn't they? You seriously think immigrant citizens are not appealing to both parties? Human beings are NOT monolithic no matter what the news tells you.

Well the poster I was replying to seems to think immigrants only vote for Democrats and that is why Democrats are so pro-immigrant. I certainly don’t believe that immigrants only vote one way.

 

[comana]

Why should they and don’t worry, you can count on the Biden administration planning to give them voting rights and is most likely in the works right now. The ultimate goal of this manufactured crisis is an attempt to change the demographics of the United States in order to give permanent power to the Democratic Party. Dirty pool!

Still haven’t gotten an answer on why a demographic change away from a white majority necessarily means Republicans can’t win?

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Children are traveling from Guatemala to the U.S. leaving their parents back in Guatemala. I think the current Biden/Harris policy promotes this which can lead to child trafficking and sexual abuse of children.

Well, when my grandparents fled the dangers of their homeland as children and entered illegally across a border t a different country for asylum and refuge with nothing - no papers, no money, dirty and with clothes and shoes completely worn through - they were still less in danger of trafficking and pedophiles than had they stayed where they were. And that was in the Middle East, not North America. Had they stayed, they would have become slaves and rape victimsand who knows what else.

That's how I see it for these children fleeing Central America. People who say it's bad for them to flee with no parents because they will become victims of sexual abuse and trafficking are ignoring a couple of things:

1. Those are exactly the things they are fleeing - so if you think that that is what they'll experience in the US you're basically saying that the US has as bad a problem with those things than the countries they're fleeing
2. Even IF that were the case, they have a better chance somewhere new that is less chaotic and has less crime and lawlessness.

The only reason I can think of for someone trotting out the old "Well aren't they more prone to being abused and trafficked?" line is because it's a desperate attempt to justify literally throwing poor, defenseless children back into a terrible situation.

Had they done that to my grandparents (all 4 of them) for that reason i most certainly would not be alive today.

 

[ralliann]

Well, when my grandparents fled the dangers of their homeland as children and entered illegally across a border t a different country for asylum and refuge with nothing - no papers, no money, dirty and with clothes and shoes completely worn through - they were still less in danger of trafficking and pedophiles than had they stayed where they were. And that was in the Middle East, not North America. Had they stayed, they would have become slaves and rape victimsand who knows what else.

That's how I see it for these children fleeing Central America. People who say it's bad for them to flee with no parents because they will become victims of sexual abuse and trafficking are ignoring a couple of things:

1. Those are exactly the things they are fleeing - so if you think that that is what they'll experience in the US you're basically saying that the US has as bad a problem with those things than the countries they're fleeing
2. Even IF that were the case, they have a better chance somewhere new that is less chaotic and has less crime and lawlessness.

The only reason I can think of for someone trotting out the old "Well aren't they more prone to being abused and trafficked?" line is because it's a desperate attempt to justify literally throwing poor, defenseless children back into a terrible situation.

Had they done that to my grandparents (all 4 of them) for that reason i most certainly would not be alive today.

The problem is..
There is a history of catch and release. And a very small minority qualify for what they claim. And just stay anyway.

 

[comana]

The republicans are appealing to citizens. The democratic communists etc appeal to making illegals legal. They ignore their illegal status. Therefore they will vote for them. It is really not that difficult. Just the terms are twisted. Immigrants, legal or illegal, they are all the same to them. Just drop whether they are legal or illegal altogether. Immigrants, Legally made citizens. Again the term legally. We don't appeal for votes to immigrants as though they are a distinct group, or class from citizenship. We don't appeal to people who just of their own accord walk across our border for votes. But that is the framework by which it is spoken of by them in continually dropping notions of legality.

They become citizens and only then they can vote. If they are not here legally, or are here legally but not citizens, then no vote.

 

[comana]

Again the terms here. "More admissive", This speaks to a policy or policies which do not exist. Therefore they are not here legally, and they are not being bussed and flown into other areas legally. They just want more of this...

Who cares about this? I am concerned about the communists, and marxist, of the party running roughshot here in this administration.

The communists and marxist don't care about that. Just like they want all the illegals to be allowed to be flown and bussed into the country illegally.
They don't care about policies they don't like. We see that now. When I say "they", I am not putting this on "democrat citizens", as I do agree with you most democrat voters would not support the faction in that party..

Who are these communists and marxists? Be specific.

 

[ralliann]

They become citizens and only then they can vote. If they are not here legally, or are here legally but not citizens, then no vote.

They should not get citizenship at all entering illegally. There is the problem. Only those who approach citizenship in a lawful manner should be allowed citizenship.

 

[ralliann]

Who are these communists and marxists? Be specific.

Those which do not respect personal property rights. Like those that allow people to not pay rent to the owner of the property. Those which decide it is ok to steal, just don't take more than 100o dollars of merchandize. Those that are generally for civil unrest, defund the police. Those which would love to destroy our economy, our jobs. Those which hate capitalism, and individualism. Rather it all about the common collective.

 

[comana]

They should not get citizenship at all entering illegally. There is the problem. Only those who approach citizenship in a lawful manner should be allowed citizenship.

And most who enter illegally will live out their lives in the US living under the radar because our immigration policies make it near impossible for them to come in legally and proceed to citizenship. We do not solve the problem by making it harder to do it legally.

 

[comana]

Those which do not respect personal property rights. Like those that allow people to not pay rent to the owner of the property. Those which decide it is ok to steal, just don't take more than 100o dollars of merchandize. Those that are generally for civil unrest, defund the police. Those which would love to destroy our economy, our jobs. Those which hate capitalism, and individualism. Rather it all about the common collective.

That is very vague. Who, I mean specific names, are these communists and marxists. Otherwise you are just throwing these scare terms at what you disagree with.

 

[ralliann]

And most who enter illegally will live out their lives in the US living under the radar because our immigration policies make it near impossible for them to come in legally and proceed to citizenship.

They shouldn't be here period. They are illegally here.

We do not solve the problem by making it harder to do it legally.

Solve what problem? That there government is corrupt? That there country is not as good and benefitial to it's own people as were are to ours (despite our diverse origins). What is the problem that you want to solve for the peoples of the world? People have a way to apply for asylum. What exactly do you want fixed? Seriously, our constitution and rights is what we have. Why violate those things to fix anything?

 

[Arcangl86]

They should not get citizenship at all entering illegally. There is the problem. Only those who approach citizenship in a lawful manner should be allowed citizenship.

They don't get citizenship for the most part. While there are a couple of ways that undocumented immigrants can shift their status, it's not available to most of them, and that only lets them get a green card.

 

[ralliann]

That is very vague. Who, I mean specific names, are these communists and marxists. Otherwise you are just throwing these scare terms at what you disagree with.

No it's not. It's an ideology which is forced in order to break down what is, to build what they want. What is it about making it legal to go into a private business and steel their property that they paid for, that is vague. It ought to shock us.

 

[comana]

They shouldn't be here period. They are illegally here.
Solve what problem? That there government is corrupt? That there country is not as good and benefitial to it's own people as were are to ours (despite our diverse origins). What is the problem that you want to solve for the peoples of the world? People have a way to apply for asylum. What exactly do you want fixed? Seriously, our constitution and rights is what we have. Why violate those things to fix anything?

Fix the the problem of illegal immigrants by making it easier to come in legally. They will come in one way or another. Step one make it easier to be a legal resident. Step two enforce laws already in place such as going after employers who hire illegals and make it mandatory for all employers to use e-verify.

 

[ralliann]

They don't get citizenship for the most part. While there are a couple of ways that undocumented immigrants can shift their status, it's not available to most of them, and that only lets them get a green card.

I know there are issues sure. But I am seriously asking, what do you want done? To destroy our country and violate our laws is not a solution. It however works very well for the motives of some that want an overhaul of our country and governmental system. What do you think we as a country should do when other nations are corrupt to their own people? And how corrupt do they need to be to warrant concern? We do have asylum law now, so there is already a standard for that. So what is you are looking to?

 

[comana]

No it's not. It's an ideology which is forced in order to break down what is, to build what they want. What is it about making it legal to go into a private business and steel their property that they paid for, that is vague. It ought to shock us.

Vague again. “They” are doing things you disagree with does not equate to communism or Marxism.