Romans 15:8-9 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises unto the fathers: 9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
[Is there ever a need for Mercy,
... When there is no Law to break?]
Psalm 18:47-50 It is God that avenges me, and has subdued the nations under me; 48 My deliverer from angry enemies: Thou shalt set me on high above them that rise up against me: Thou shalt deliver me from the unrighteous man. Therefore will I confess to Thee, O Lord, among the Gentiles, and sing to Thy name. God magnifies the deliverances of His king; and deals mercifully with David His anointed, and his seed, for ever.
This is endtimes prophecy, and hasn't happened yet. Dunno why Paul used this quote... unless he didn't have scrolls, and remembered only the bits he quoted?
Because it is not end-time prophecy?
Seriously? Then when did this happen:
Psalm 18:48 Thou shalt set me on high above them that rise up against me: Thou shalt deliver me from the unrighteous man.
Remember this is the OT, where the means of righteousness was the Law.
Which is also true in the Gospel of the Kingdom.
That would be 1 Samuel 18-41; 2 Samuel 22:1-51.
Remember this is the OT, where the means of righteousness was the Law.
Which is also true in the Gospel of the Kingdom.
More bastardization of the NT.
The problem with that is the law was not given for righteousness, it was given to reveal sin (Romans 3:20; Galatians 2:16). No one will be declared righteous by observing the law, righteousness is only from God through faith apart from law (Romans 3:21, Romans 3:28).
In the one and only gospel, the gospel of Christ. . .the gospel of grace. . .the "gospel of Paul," the "gospel of Peter". . .the gospel of the Kingdom. . .the gospel of salvation. . .etc., keeping the commandments does not make righteous in either the OT or the NT, only God through faith apart from works of the law makes righteous. (Romans 4:3, 5, 3:21, 28), for all those who rely on observing the law are under a curse (Galatians 3:10).
Neither in the OT nor the NT does the Decalogue make righteous, though it is required in both.
Only God makes righteous through faith apart from law keeping.
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And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself." - Luke 24:26-27
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-CryptoLutheran
John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
1. Psalms 22:1-21
Jesus tell what His dying felt like... this must literally be what happens to your body when you're crucified. And He wanted His audience to know, so He sent them to look at the context.
1. By context, Hosea 11:1-2 says, "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called My son. But the more I called Israel, the farther they departed from Me. They sacrificed to the Baals and burned incense to carved images." - This context doesn't seem to refer to Jesus when Matthew quotes this verse.
Psalms 22 was spoken by David in his dire situation, it was David's story. Mark 4:12 quoted Isaiah 6:9-10 but by context, v11-13 suggests that this message is no longer applicable after the kingdom was destroyed.
2. God didn't make a last will and testament and name Israel the beneficiary, He made a contract with them. In contracts, which Paul is talking about (with the whole human understanding thing), if one party breaks the contract, the whole contract is void. They didn't hold up their side of the covenant, they dissolved it.
2. So you were saying, they do not have any covenant with God from the time of Jeremiah since they broke it?
3. Luke wasn't there, so his book is hearsay.
3. Even if we reject Luke, do you mean we will see a real dragon described in the Book of Revelation? Or all these are symbolic? Numbers 12:6 "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, will reveal Myself to him in a vision; I will speak to him in a dream." - Even after Jesus was raised, Peter still saw parable in his vision before going for Cornelius. So, John saw a real scene of the future or a parable in Revelation? Also, we are God's temple and His Spirit dwells in us, how can we say the King is not with us?
4. The context... 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Do you know where, within the law and the prophets, these "without the law" verses might be?
4. However, Peter testified that even we, cannot bear the OT law. Acts 15:10 "Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?"
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself." - Luke 24:26-27And...?
-CryptoLutheran
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself." - Luke 24:26-27
So... what happened to the books where Luke wrote it all down?
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John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Our salvation depends solely on what Jesus did for us on the Cross, not what we think He can do in us. Our good works will not save us. We will continue to be sinners until the day we die. We will come up before God in the judgment as sinners who have come short of the glory of God. Receiving Christ as Saviour does not make us better people, it is an act of trust that when we come to the judgment, we will be saved because God will not hold our sins against us, but that our sins will have been put on Christ when He suffered and died on the Cross. Therefore those who have been born again of the Spirit of God will be acquitted at the judgment. This is why genuine converts to Christ are looking forward to the judgment because they have put their trust in the promise of God that by grace they have been saved through their faith in Christ and it has nothing to do with what they have done or what they will do, that that Christ who knew no sin became sin for them that they may become the righteousness of God in Christ.Very well said.
There is no good reason to make it a binary decision.
Now that you got me thinking a little bit more, the dying on the cross is no doubt part of the plan. I think I was looking at the “job” Jesus came for was concluded on the cross, and then after that he gave up his life willingly. The saving humanity for their sins doesn’t make sense to me, because the Lord saves me from my sins every day.
If saving me from my sins was done on the cross, then what is going on now? I am a sinner now. I need the Lord to save me now, and every day I live.
Our salvation depends solely on what Jesus did for us on the Cross, not what we think He can do in us. Our good works will not save us. We will continue to be sinners until the day we die. We will come up before God in the judgment as sinners who have come short of the glory of God. Receiving Christ as Saviour does not make us better people, it is an act of trust that when we come to the judgment, we will be saved because God will not hold our sins against us, but that our sins will have been put on Christ when He suffered and died on the Cross. Therefore those who have been born again of the Spirit of God will be acquitted at the judgment. This is why genuine converts to Christ are looking forward to the judgment because they have put their trust in the promise of God that by grace they have been saved through their faith in Christ and it has nothing to do with what they have done or what they will do, that that Christ who knew no sin became sin for them that they may become the righteousness of God in Christ.
Until a person has been converted to Christ, they cannot love God. Receiving Christ as Saviour and putting total trust in Him has to come first, then the Holy Spirit works in us to enable us to love God the way we should.
It means that if you don't commit your life in full trust that Jesus took your sins upon Himself when He suffered and died on the Cross, you will end up in hell. That's what the Bible says, if you care to read it.You speak a lot of religious phrases.
But what does it all mean?
How would you explain it all to a child in language they could understand?
How do you put it all to work in your life?
And are you absolutely, positively 100% sure you’re right?
You don't understand the NT well enough to discuss it.Who are these apostles? is the right question to ask. Revelation 2:2
Nobody ever answers the second question... but those who see 2 gospels.
Which Peter?
If even the names Peter, Simon, and Cephas applied to only one man, the question need never be asked.
You don't understand the NT well enough to discuss it.The odds get even longer when you add the different men named James. And they say the name John was even more popular, in those days.
So, when you see these verses:
1Cor.15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Cor.15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
... what do you do with them? Turn a blind eye?
You don't understand the NT well enough to discuss it.David's enemies are Saul and all of his followers?
The Horse before the cart
Deuteronomy 25:1-2 And if there should be a dispute between men, and they should come forward to judgment, and the judges judge, and justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked: then it shall come to pass, if the unrighteous should be worthy of stripes, thou shalt lay him down before the judges, and they shall scourge him before them according to his iniquity.
Sinless Victim and the lynch mob
Deuteronomy 21:22-23 And if there be sin in any one, and the judgment of death be upon him, and he be put to death, and ye hang him on a tree: his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but ye shall by all means bury it in that day; for every one that is hanged on a tree is cursed of God; and ye shall by no means defile the land which the Lord thy God gives thee for an inheritance.
Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed [his] hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye [to it].
Psalms 69:4 They that hate Me without a cause...
For this is thy Life
Deuteronomy 30:19-20 I call both heaven and earth to witness this day against you, I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse: choose thou life, that thou and thy seed may live; to love the Lord thy God, to hearken to His voice, and cleave to Him; for this is thy life, and the length of thy days, that thou shouldest dwell upon the land, which the Lord sware to thy fathers, Abraam, and Isaac, and Jacob, to give to them.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall Command Him. And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.
John 12:44-48 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me. ... For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.
Psalms 2:1-3 Wherefore did the heathen rage, and the nations imagine vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers gathered themselves together, against the Lord, and against His Christ; saying, Let us break through Their bonds, and cast away Their yoke from us.LXX
Matthew 11:28-30 Come unto Me, all that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For My yoke [is] easy, and My burden is light.
John 15:14 Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
James 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Therefore, this is The Test
Do you keep Jesus' Commandments?
Until a person has been converted to Christ, they cannot love God.
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself." - Luke 24:26-27
So... what happened to the books where Luke wrote it all down?
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John 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
I'm not following. What "books where Luke wrote it all down" are you talking about? Luke, i.e. the author of Luke-Acts, only wrote Luke-Acts.
-CryptoLutheran
True. But who is the Cephas of Galatians 2:9?
And who is the Peter of Acts 15:7? And who is the Simeon of Acts 15:14?
Most people think they're all about the Apostle Peter. Do you?
Yes, all of them refer to Cephas.
Why would you think otherwise?
Multiple men, same name.NT
Cephas
1Cor.3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Cor.9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and [as] the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
1Cor.15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
Gal.2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Luke doesn't know anyone named Cephas, but calls Paul's Cephas of Galatians 2:9, the name Peter, in Acts 15:7... while Act's James calls Luke's Peter the name Simeon, in Acts 15:14.
Simeon
13:1 at Antioch ... Simeon that was called Niger...
15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles...
2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
Simon
1 Peter 1:1 Peter [the] apostle [of] Jesus Christ, [to the] chosen pilgrim Diaspora, [in] Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
9:43 And it came to pass, that he tarried many days in Joppa with one Simon a tanner.
13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
27:32 And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
13:26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped [it]. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave [it] to Judas Iscariot, [the son] of Simon.
James
two are the Apostles from Galilee...
15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
13:55 Is not this the carpenter's Son? is not His mother called Mary? and His brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first...
John
two are the Apostle and the Baptizer...
4:6 And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
12:25 And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled [their] ministry, and took with them John, whose surname was Mark.
So... who are these men named James, Cephas, and John:
Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
... if Cephas was in Antioch when Paul went to Jerusalem to complain about the circumcision that came to Antioch from James, to talk with Peter in Acts 15:7... if Peter was already in Jerusalem?
Who are these apostles? is the right question to ask. Revelation 2:2
Nobody ever answers the second question... but those who see 2 gospels.
Which Peter?
If even the names Peter, Simon, and Cephas applied to only one man, the question need never be asked. The odds get even longer when you add the different men named James. And they say the name John was even more popular, in those days.
So, when you see these verses:
1Cor.15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Cor.15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
... what do you do with them? Turn a blind eye?
You don't understand the NT well enough to discuss it.
David's enemies are Saul and all of his followers
Sinless Victim and the lynch mob
Deuteronomy 21:22-23 And if there be sin in any one, and the judgment of death be upon him, and he be put to death, and ye hang him on a tree: his body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but ye shall by all means bury it in that day; for every one that is hanged on a tree is cursed of God; and ye shall by no means defile the land which the Lord thy God gives thee for an inheritance.
Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed [his] hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye [to it].
Psalms 69:4 They that hate Me without a cause...
For this is thy Life
Deuteronomy 30:19-20 I call both heaven and earth to witness this day against you, I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse: choose thou life, that thou and thy seed may live; to love the Lord thy God, to hearken to His voice, and cleave to Him; for this is thy life, and the length of thy days, that thou shouldest dwell upon the land, which the Lord sware to thy fathers, Abraam, and Isaac, and Jacob, to give to them.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee(Moses), and will put My words in His mouth; and He shall speak unto them all that I shall Command Him. And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto My words which He shall speak in My name, I will require [it] of him.
John 12:44-48 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on Me, believeth not on Me, but on Him that sent Me. ... For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father which sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His Commandment is Life Everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.
Psalms 2:1-3 Wherefore did the heathen rage, and the nations imagine vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers gathered themselves together, against the Lord, and against His Christ; saying, Let us break through Their bonds, and cast away Their yoke from us.LXX
Matthew 11:28-30 Come unto Me, all that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For My yoke [is] easy, and My burden is light.
John 15:14 Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
James 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Therefore, this is The Test
Do you keep Jesus' Commandments?
You don't understand the NT well enough to discuss it.