Challenge Thread: Was Pluto our Ninth Planet in the Fourth Century?

[TLK Valentine]

Since here:

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

But you can replace "Science" with literally anything and it changes nothing. Meanwhile, you'll never stop using "scientists" as your catch-all term for people who disagree with you.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Qualified astronomers' rights to vote.

Since when have you cared about astronomers?

I could spend the next few hours coming up with hundreds of things astronomers have found that conflict with your worldview, but I won't 'cause I got better things to do.

 

[Halbhh]

Was Pluto our ninth planet in the fourth century?

(Kudos to Bungle Bear for giving me the idea for this challenge.)

While 'yes', if something exists we haven't seen yet, know nothing about, it's still absolutely fact.

Reality doesn't rely on our awareness.

The best answer is 'no' -- I personally agree with the criteria of the International Astronomical Union that a body must clear its orbit (clean out asteroids, etc. in its orbit) to be a planet. Without that, our own system would have a bunch more planets, not just the few more it likely has.

 

[Oneiric1975]

Was Pluto our ninth planet in the fourth century?

(Kudos to Bungle Bear for giving me the idea for this challenge.)

In the same sense that, say, a bat was a bird at the time of writing of Leviticus.

 

[AV1611VET]

In the same sense that, say, a bat was a bird at the time of writing of Leviticus.

I disagree.

Either the bat was an attachment to a list of fowl,* or else it is still a fowl in God's eyes, and Linnaeans don't know it yet.

* For example:

STOP IN AND SEE OUR ASSORTMENT OF USED CARS, CHEAP AT TWICE THE PRICE! WE HAVE AN ASSORTMENT OF:

• Fords
• Chevys
• Oldsmobiles
• Cadillacs
• and motorcycles

YESIREE! STOP AND SEE AV! AND THAT STANDS FOR "ABSOLUTE VALUE!"

 

[TLK Valentine]

I disagree.

Either the bat was an attachment to a list of fowl,* or else it is still a fowl in God's eyes, and Linnaeans don't know it yet.

Well, taxonomy isn't really God's strong point -- remember, he farmed out that task to Adam...

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, taxonomy isn't really God's strong point -- remember, he farmed out that task to Adam...

And what did Adam do with it? turned it over to Satan, who offered it to Jesus, who said NO.

But don't worry, Jesus will come back soon and take it by force.

 

[dlamberth]

But don't worry, Jesus will come back soon and take it by force.

Not by Love?

 

[AV1611VET]

Not by Love?

Are you kidding?

Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Your question made me think of this scene in War of the Worlds:

If you saw the show, how'd that work out for him?

 

[dlamberth]

Are you kidding?

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

If not by Love..and ONLY Love...He will not be successful.

 

[AV1611VET]

If not by Love..and ONLY Love...He will not be successful.

As I said, read the book of Revelation, and you might understand.

How is Jesus going to "love" Satan into the bottomless pit for a thousand years?

 

[dlamberth]

As I said, read the book of Revelation, and you might understand.

How is Jesus going to "love" Satan into the bottomless pit for a thousand years?

Love is pretty powerful. Maybe more so that your understanding. It raised Jesus from the Dead.

 

[AV1611VET]

Love is pretty powerful. Maybe more so that your understanding. It raised Jesus from the Dead.

Like I said, read the book of Revelation and you might understand.

 

[Oneiric1975]

I disagree.

Either the bat was an attachment to a list of fowl,* or else it is still a fowl in God's eyes, and Linnaeans don't know it yet.

There is no real difference is there? It's all a matter of classification.

(I honestly wish you'd let this whole Pluto thing go because it really isn't all that intellectually interesting to anyone but you. Everyone else understands what happened to Pluto but no amount of explanation can seem to help you.)

 

[AV1611VET]

There is no real difference is there?

Only to those who want to make an issue out of it by claiming the Bible is in error by attaching that passage to a list of fowl.

It's all a matter of classification.

Yup.

(I honestly wish you'd let this whole Pluto thing go because it really isn't all that intellectually interesting to anyone but you. Everyone else understands what happened to Pluto but no amount of explanation can seem to help you.)

I'll be more than happy to, if someone gives me a better example I can use of something in science being changed by a rigged vote.

Until then, I intend to use Pluto as a "poster child" for crooks in the scientific field.

 

[dlamberth]

Like I said, read the book of Revelation and you might understand.

If it's not preaching Love...I'm not interested.

 

[AV1611VET]

If it's not preaching Love...I'm not interested.

Suit yourself.

Just don't try to get me to believe Jesus is going to love bomb Satan into the bottomless pit.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Not by Love?

Didn't work the first time, did it?

 

[dlamberth]

Suit yourself.

Just don't try to get me to believe Jesus is going to love bomb Satan into the bottomless pit.

It's a work around by love and not a direct action.
By love bombing all of Creation and filling it with infinite Divine Love, Satan who is not love, disappears.
There's just no room for him...too much love going on.
But I understand your need for a Greek/Roman pagan type of God action against perceived adversaries.
That's not for me though.

 

[AV1611VET]

There's just no room for him...too much love going on.

As I said, read the book of Revelation, and you just might understand.

After those thousand years, Satan is going to be let loose, and he is going to go out and ...

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

In other words, your band of people who are high on love are going to change their minds and come after us saints with malintent.

Then the true God of Love is going to step in and single-handedly call down fire and put an end to all this charade once and for all.

THEN later, He is going to take your [panentheist] universe and "melt it with fervent heat" and remake it into a New Heavens and New Earth.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

And that may be just the last thing scientists hear before they begin their everlasting tenure in their designated areas.

They'll forever hear that "Big Bang" they always relied on throughout their lives.

Get over it, dlamberth.

We're not living in the Summer of Love anymore.

We tried that -- it didn't work.