Queen of heaven

[Hebrewselevensix]

Why, indeed? Why, unless you read into those verses some seriously erroneous Catholic theology?

so our salvation comes from a sinner?
A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!

Mother of Divine Grace!

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!

We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!

Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!

Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.


Salvation is to be found with Mary!
Jesus Christ is our salvation! Lk 2:30
He is Lord, and He is with Mary! Lk 1:28
Mary found our salvation! Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38

 

[Hebrewselevensix]

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[bbbbbbb]

By the authority of Christ thru his holy church and apostles Matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 matt 28:19

Ineffabilis Deus
The Immaculate Conception
Pope BI. Pius IX - 1854

“We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”

That entirely nails it. Something is true not because of any actual fact or verification, but simply because the RCC says it is. That does present a bit of an embarrassment with such trivialities as the earth actually being flat.

 

[Hebrewselevensix]

That entirely nails it. Something is true not because of any actual fact or verification, but simply because the RCC says it is. That does present a bit of an embarrassment with such trivialities as the earth actually being flat.

Science is not faith and morals
And I was emphasizing preserved
Lk 1:37

 

[Hebrewselevensix]

But I suppose you don’t accept or believe the authority of Christ?

 

[renniks]

No not like us
Preserved from sin by the power of God
Lk 1:37

Again, taking random verses and applying them to Mary doesn't work.

 

[renniks]

mary is the throne not the high priest (

Nonsense. That's not in the Bible... you just made it up.

 

[Hebrewselevensix]

Again, taking random verses and applying them to Mary doesn't work.

mall scripture is inspired God breathed Just like the apostles!

Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

 

[Hebrewselevensix]

Nonsense. That's not in the Bible... you just made it up.

Lk 1:28 full of grace and The Lord is with her

 

[renniks]

Lk 1:28 full of grace and The Lord is with her

So? That makes her the throne of God? Where do you get this nonsense?

 

[Hebrewselevensix]

So? That makes her the throne of God? Where do you get this nonsense?

its called the Bible
And the teaching of the apostles
Acts 2;42

 

[renniks]

its called the Bible
And the teaching of the apostles
Acts 2;42

Only none of the verses you quoted say what you claim they do.

 

[Hebrewselevensix]

Only none of the verses you quoted say what you claim they do.

Acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles
The apostles taught mother of God
Immaculate conception
Perpetual Virgin etc.

Behold thy mother!

What does Behold in scripture mean?

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His Mary, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

 

[renniks]

The apostles taught mother of God
Immaculate conception
Perpetual Virgin etc.

No they didn't.

 

[renniks]

Jesus is not asking John to care for His Mary, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

Oh, your Eisegesis, just got worse. Unbelievable.
This is almost as bad as the people that look for numbers in the Psalms and claim that they prophesy events.

 

[Valletta]

That entirely nails it. Something is true not because of any actual fact or verification, but simply because the RCC says it is. That does present a bit of an embarrassment with such trivialities as the earth actually being flat.

Catholic Copernicus introduced his theory that the earth revolved around the sun. Although virtually none of the world believed him, Copernicus dedicated his theory to the pope and the pope graciously accepted it as a theory. So typical for Catholic scientists, a Catholic priest named Georges Lemaitre introduced the theory of an expanding universe, he was ridiculed by other scientists who mockingly referred to his theory as the "Big Bang."

 

[Fidelibus]

Of course.

Okay, just to be sure we are on the same page, I asked you:

So your belief is that 'all' is an absolute. With that being said, are you seeking God in your life?

First off, I would like to thank you for your response.

Secondly, I have to take your answer above as you believing "all" in Romans 3:23 absolutely means "all", and that "all" is meant as an absolute...correct?

And thirdly, When I asked if you are seeking God in your life, your response was,,,,,, "Of course," which means to me that , yes you are seeking God in your life....correct?

You are probably wondering about now, "why is this Catholic asking me if I am seeking God in my life." Well renniks, the reason I ask is because Romans 3:11 says, "No one seeks for God."

So, being you believe "all" in Romans 3:23 means "all" as you said.... and that "all" is meant as an absolute. This is what you said, right? Well renniks, in Romans 3:11 it says "No one seeks for God." So the way I see it, by your very own reasoning of Romans 3:23, if "all" is an absolute, then "no one" in Romans 3:11 must be an absolute as well! That kind of puts your reasoning in a pickle, do you not agree? Going by your own reasoning, I can only surmise that you can't be seeking God in your life because the Bible says "no one" seeks God.

Yet, you do claim that you are indeed seeking God in your life. Which means to me renniks, you do not believe "no one" is an absolute. Am I correct in this way of thinking, or am I in error? You know renniks, this should be a dilemma for all of those that believe "all' in Romans 3:23 is an absolute, then 'no one' in Romans 3:11 must also be an absolute, right? Or, could there maybe be another scenario? Like..... If "no one" in verse 11 is not an absolute, then "all" in verse 23 is not necessarily an absolute either.

Now, if they don't believe that, one can only surmise they are interpreting one verse one way, in order to fit their beliefs, but then they're interpreting another verse in a completely different way, in order to fit their beliefs. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works.

Have a Blessed Day!

 

[renniks]

Yet, you do claim that you are indeed seeking God in your life. Which means to me renniks, you do not believe "no one" is an absolute.

Context. No one seeks God on thier own. That's the meaning of the verse. Doesn't make" all" mean "some."

 

[Fidelibus]

Context.

Yes indeed!

No one seeks God on thier own.

I looked again renniks at Romans 3:11 in my bible, as well as the KJV of the bible, and neither one of them says, "no one seeks God on their own." They do say "no one seeks God." What version of the bible do you use that Romans 3:11 says "no one seeks God on their own?"

Or are you telling me that "no one" does not actually mean no one? That "no one" is not an absolute?

That's the meaning of the verse.

Says who?

Doesn't make" all" mean "some."

Again,,,,, says who?

Have a Blessed evening

 

[Hebrewselevensix]

No they didn't.

yes they did by the authority of Jesus Christ
Christ and his church are one acts 9:4
authority of Christ to his apostles and their successors Matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23

Ineffabilis Deus
The Immaculate Conception
Pope BI. Pius IX - 1854

“We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful.”

Mother of God
Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

Perpetual Virginity of Mary!

Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth" (apostolic Council of the Lateran, 649) with the jurisdictional authority of Peter and the apostles in holy council! Matt 16:18 18:18 Jn 20:21-23 eph 2:20 bound on earth bound in heaven!