Police are NOT hunting down black people

[KCfromNC]

Show me where I suggested that they deserved to be shot, no one would have been shot if they had not had a gun and forced the officer to make what he was justified in believing was a shoot or die decision.

I'm just noticing how despite the rationalizations changing throughout the thread, the conclusion stays the same.

 

[KCfromNC]

Which provides no evidence at all for your point.

Interesting assertion. And yet despite it, the data in post 3 and others in this thread is still out there, completely uncontested.

 

[disciple Clint]

I'm just noticing how despite the rationalizations changing throughout the thread, the conclusion stays the same.

Can you point to specifics of different rationalizations you have observed?

 

[disciple Clint]

Interesting assertion. And yet despite it, the data in post 3 and others in this thread is still out there, completely uncontested.

Yes it is uncontested that there is a substantially larger number of crimes committed by black people and that black people are victims of many of those crimes so it should come as no logical surprise to find that the police have far more contacts with black people than with other races, why anyone would have a problem seeing the connection is hard to understand.

 

[KCfromNC]

Can you point to specifics of different rationalizations you have observed?

Yes I can. In fact, I already did in my previous posts on the subject in this thread. Thanks for asking.

 

[KCfromNC]

Yes it is uncontested that there is a substantially larger number of crimes committed by black people and that black people are victims of many of those crimes so it should come as no logical surprise to find that the police have far more contacts with black people than with other races, why anyone would have a problem seeing the connection is hard to understand.

I can't help but notice that, unlike the post I mentioned, there are exactly zero facts backing up these assertions.

 

[rjs330]

Ah, because I bring up a system, that means I'm blaming someone else. It's not just about people's actions, there are holistic aspects you are ignoring to myopically focus on one reductive point and creating a false dichotomy that also dismisses another factor that would complicate your perspective that wants to gloss over anything that would suggest real change that isn't just regressive moralizing.

The main problems of any community are not going to be solved at the home if there are toxic abusive attitudes encouraged by societal norms. That's a systemic issue, which I don't think you even remotely grasp what that is and instead try to accuse me of blaming people's intentions rather than something that is more abstract and not possessing of intentionality, a system

Do any societal norms within the back community have anything to do with the issues that the back community are dealing with?

 

[rjs330]

And what exactly does that entail?


That society has failed him.

What society? Who or what has the most influence upon him and his decisions?

 

[rjs330]

If you do a little math your statistical source also notes the following:

Police initiate contact with blacks at about 6 times thee rate as they initiate contact with whites.

In a given year police initiate contact with about 11% of all black people
In a given year police initiate contact with about 2% of all white people

of the above contacts 30% of police initiate contact with blacks results in the use of force or the threat of the use of force while only 2% of police initiate contact with whites results in the use of force or the threat of the use of force

In police initiate contact 4% of all blacks who are not attested are handcuffed while only 0.2% of whites are handcuffed

What do those statistics prove?

 

[rjs330]

its amazing how you had to twist that to get to black people are bad.
"blacks killed almost twice as many whites as whites killed blacks"
and do you suppose the fact you got number off the "single victim/single offender chart might skew things?

Can't admit you wrong eh?

 

[rjs330]

The amount of mask-off racism at display here is incredible. You guys could at least try a bit better to hide your distaste of black and brown people.

Ooo,ooo I know what your doing! It's so awesome when you have no actual evidence of your ridiculous claims and jump to everyone who doesn't agree with a false premise is racist. Name calling is a sign you have failed.

 

[rjs330]

If you use the same arguments as white nationalists then you should seriously reflect on your posiition. You're one step away from going the "it's because of their genes and culture" route.

Are you sure this is the hill you wish to die on?

Yeah another "I can't argue with facts so I'll resort to name calling post."

 

[muichimotsu]

Do any societal norms within the back community have anything to do with the issues that the back community are dealing with?

Not sure you get to determine or pigeonhole black people into norms you think they buy into as if they're a monolith

 

[muichimotsu]

Yeah another "I can't argue with facts so I'll resort to name calling post."

What you seem to think are facts aren't so self evident and you can't just claim that they're objective when this is a social issue, it's not independent from perception

 

[muichimotsu]

What do those statistics prove?

That you misrepresent statistics to fit your preconceptions instead of having any intellectual humility to admit when you're wrong

 

[rjs330]

So you just buy into stereotypes because you think statistics always reflect some underlying trait that the black people you know conveniently aren't corrupted by and aren't doing the crime you think black people are more predisposed to do?

As nd yet you have decided to follow the same pattern concerning statistics you accuae others if doing by asserting or indicating that police pick on blacks. Yet you have no further evidence that this is the case.

 

[muichimotsu]

As nd yet you have decided to follow the same pattern concerning statistics you accuae others if doing by asserting or indicating that police pick on blacks. Yet you have no further evidence that this is the case.

Because apparently you can't countenance that you could ever be wrong when the statistics show a disproportionate level of encounters with police for black people relative to their population demographic. Trying to say, "well, more white people are involved with police," ignores that white people are still a demographic majority so that's logically going to follow without addressing the groups marginalized

What proof do you want? Seems like you'd just dismiss any statistics that don't fit your preconception with a pretense that you understand better

 

[Pommer]

I used to have a gif of a computer warrior pounding the keyboard until his arms fell off and then smashed his head into it after that.

Good times!

 

[disciple Clint]

I can't help but notice that, unlike the post I mentioned, there are exactly zero facts backing up these assertions.

They have been previously provided over and over and over and over, how did you miss them?

 

[rjs330]

Not sure you get to determine or pigeonhole black people into norms you think they buy into as if they're a monolith

That's not what I asked. You are more than happy to pigeon hole white people.

You didn't answer my question.