Is the Seventh Day Adventist Church orthodox

[tall73]

No one has ever argued here that there are not other laws in the old covenant that are applicable under the new covenant (e.g clean and unclean food laws etc).

So why are food laws "moral"?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I quoted the part I am interested in, as part of a conversation you said you were interested in.

Indeed and not what we were discussing in the content and context of the post and the scriptures provided to you in regards to Matthew 5, God's 10 commandments and Gods' law of love linked in Matthew 22:36-40. You were trying to make out the two great commandments of love quoted by Jesus are new commandments when they are not and seeking to make an argument that no one is making that there are more laws in the bible beside the 10 commandments that no one was disagreeing with or arguing about.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You edited to add material, so I will reply to that:

Not really. I completed my post and edits before you had even posted.

LoveGodsWord wrote: As posted earlier if you do not want to discuss the content of my posts and the scriptures I have provided you do not have to.

Your response

Then why even mention it?

Because I was responding to a post you wrote earlier in regards to Matthew 5 at the beginning of the discussion which I wanted to discuss with you.

Because talking about the content of your posts in full is definitely the best way to figure out why I don't keep the Sabbath? Somehow I doubt that will work. So I will just quote the part I am interested in, and you can participate to the degree you want.

A discussion goes two ways. Like you said earlier you do not get to choose what is discussed. Of course you are free to discuss what you like but a discussion normally goes two ways I have always thought and I was only discussing a post you had already posted which was yours in regards to Matthew 5

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So why are food laws "moral"?

All of God's laws have an aspect right doing therefore moral depending on what covenant is being discussed *Psalms 119:172 to those who have a knowledge of the truth of God's Word (James 4:7; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31). Our dietary laws are laws of right doing that govern health.

 

[tall73]

You were trying to make out the two great commandments of love quoted by Jesus are new commandments when they are not

I did not allege that at all. I said it is ironic that you talk about the ten being the moral law, and then mention the two, when they are not from the ten but are from the law.

But now that you admit others from the law besides the ten are still part of the new covenant, no problem. That was my point. Now I am just trying to figure out how you decide.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I did not allege that at all. I said it is ironic that you talk about the ten being the moral law, and then mention the two, when they are not from the ten but are from the law.

If you read my second post on Matthew 22:36-40 from post # 835 linked and the scriptures provided to you there you would see that the ten and two are not separated. Love is expressed through obedience to God's 10 commandments not by breaking them. I did not admit or deny anything. I have never made the argument that there are not other laws beside the 10 commandments. That was simply a distraction to what I was posting in the scriptures to you.

 

[tall73]

All of God's laws have an aspect right doing therefore moral depending on what covenant is being discussed *Psalms 119:172 to those who have a knowledge of the truth of God's Word (James 4:7; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31). Our dietary laws are laws of right doing that govern health.

Did the law present them as health?

 

[tall73]

I have never made the argument that there are not other laws beside the 10 commandments

Great! Which is why we are discussing them.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Did the law present them as health?

Yes unless you believe eating polluted food as healthy that God commands us not to eat.

 

[tall73]

Yes unless you believe eating polluted food as healthy that God commands us not to eat.

Pretty sure it stated it as holiness.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Pretty sure it stated it as holiness.

That would not be correct.

Gesenius Hebrew And Chaldee Lexicon - H2931

H2931 - GES2833
טָמֵא
inf. טָמְאָה ( Lev 15:32,)-
(1) to be or to become unclean, to be polluted (Syr. ܛܰܡܰܐ, which follows the analogy of guttural verbs, to pollute, ܛܡܠܰܐ polluted, comp. Lat. contamino, attamino, intamino). Especially used of uncleanness in a Levitical sense both of persons and of animals (whose flesh was not to be eaten, see -Lev. 11:1-31, ); also of things, as of buildings, vessels. Opp. to טָהַד. Lev 11:24, seq. Followed by בְּ to be unclean by any thing. 15:32, 18:20, 23 18:23. [“Also to defile oneself, followed by בְּ with any thing, Psa 106:39, Ezek 22:4.”]

 

[tall73]

That would not be correct.

So you mean in the same way that bodily functions would be unhealthy by making you unclean, or having a baby?

Are those still in effect as well?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So you mean in the same way that bodily functions would be unhealthy by making you unclean, or having a baby?

No. Unless you believe it is a food law which last time I looked it isn't. I am talking about God's 10 commandments as being a demonstration of faith that works by love (including God's 4th commandment) as shown in Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12 and 1 John 2:3-4. According to God's Word in the new covenant God's 10 commandment give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11. Of course not to those who sin in ignorance when they do not know any better according to the scriptures in James 4:17 and Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 but as the scriptures teach to those who have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and choose to reject God's Word in order to continue in sin (1 John 3:4) as shown in Hebrews 10:26-31.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I did not allege that at all. I said it is ironic that you talk about the ten being the moral law, and then mention the two, when they are not from the ten but are from the law. But now that you admit others from the law besides the ten are still part of the new covenant, no problem.

So you do not think the two great commandments of loving God with all of our heart and soul and loving our neighbor as ourselves are new commandments? Paul, not me says these two great commandments are summarizing the 10 commandments not me in Romans 13:9 agreeing with Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40. Then we have the same questions already shown in Luke 10:25-28 and Matthew 19:16-19 , what do you think the difference in the answer to these questions are?

 

[tall73]

No. Unless you believe it is a food law which last time I looked it isn't.

Why would it have to be a food law for it to be moral? You indicated food laws were moral because of uncleanness. This also deals with uncleanness.

Leviticus 12 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘If a woman has conceived, and borne a male child, then she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of her customary impurity she shall be unclean.

 

[tall73]

So you do not think the two great commandments of loving God with all of our heart and soul and loving our neighbor as ourselves are new commandments?

Why would I? They are from the Old Testament.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why would I? They are from the Old Testament.

I was still editing when you posted this you may want to look at it again.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why would I? They are from the Old Testament.

Loving God with all of our heart and soul and our neighbor as yourself are from the old covenant as they are from the new covenant right? - Matthew 22:36-40; Luke 10:25-28

 

[tall73]

Loving God with all of our heart and soul and our neighbor as yourself are from the old covenant as they are from the new covenant right?

I don't know what that means.

They are not new commandments. They are from the law.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why would it have to be a food law for it to be moral? You indicated food laws were moral because of uncleanness. This also deals with uncleanness.

Leviticus 12 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘If a woman has conceived, and borne a male child, then she shall be unclean seven days; as in the days of her customary impurity she shall be unclean.

We were discussing food laws. Your changing the subject matter again. I had already posted from the start all God's commandments are righteousness from Psalms 119:172 and righteousness is moral right doing depending on covenant application.