The Death and True Resurrection of Jesus.

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Peter states to Cornelius that Jesus rose on the third day. He may not have been a witness to the event but he had 40 days to learn the truth from the one person who was.

If you look at post #468; you'll see that it's quite possible that Peter was in complete agreement with what Yahshua himself said.

It's nice that we have a second witness to the testimony of Yahshua; but I'm perfectly willing to take Yahshua at his word.

 

[prodromos]

Very good. Thank you for conceding on that critical point.

There are no known witnesses to when Yahshua was raised.

Jesus was witness to His own resurrection.

That means that there are no known witnesses to refute the timetable on which Yahshua said he would be raised, 3 days, and 3 nights.

Except that Jesus taught His disciples for 40 days after His resurrection.

We'll just have to take Yahshua at his own word, as to when he said that he would be raised.

On the third day, repeated at least 10 times in the Gospels

 

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If you look at post #468; you'll see that it's quite possible that Peter was in complete agreement with what Yahshua himself said.

Nope. That has Jesus rising on the fourth day

 

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Except that Jesus taught His disciples for 40 days after His resurrection.

How is that an exception to Yahshua's testimony of his sign?

 

[klutedavid]

Very good. Thank you for conceding on that critical point.

There are no known witnesses to when Yahshua was raised.

That means that there are no known witnesses to refute the timetable on which Yahshua said he would be raised, 3 days, and 3 nights.

We'll just have to take Yahshua at his own word, as to when he said that he would be raised.

Yes hark, He rose on the third day and not after the third day.

Matthew 16:21
From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.

Matthew 17:23
And they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day. And they were deeply grieved.

Matthew 20:19
And will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.

NOT AFTER THE THIRD DAY!

 

[HARK!]

Nope. That has Jesus rising on the fourth day

It has him being risen on the third day after his death.

If we look at it the other way, that would have Yahshua being risen before dawn on the seventh day (Shabbat).

 

[klutedavid]

Young's Literal Translation
And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain others with them,

Young's Literal Translation
And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,

Would you like to double down with an argumentum ad populum?

Are you trying to claim that Young's translation, is saying that Jesus rose on the Sabbath day. I hope your not trying to do that Hark. You would find that you would be wrong.

 

[klutedavid]

How is that an exception to Yahshua's testimony of his sign?

Which sign are you referring to. Jesus said also, on the third day, and in three days. Your trying to fixate on just one of the descriptions in Matthew.

Here is the most frequent statement that Jesus made and recorded by all the gospels.

John 2:19
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

In three days, the very words of Jesus.

 

[HARK!]

Are you trying to claim that Young's translation, is saying that Jesus rose on the Sabbath day. I hope your not trying to do that Hark. You would find that you would be wrong.

Young's Literal Translation
And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain others with them,

I see no mention in this verse as to specifically when Yahshua was risen.

I don't recall making a claim that Young's translated this verse in that way.

I can't seem to find the post where I made that claim. What post# would that be?

 

[HARK!]

Which sign are you referring to. Jesus said also, on the third day, and in three days. Your trying to fixate on just one of the descriptions in Matthew.

Here is the most frequent statement that Jesus made and recorded by all the gospels.

John 2:19
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

In three days, the very words of Jesus.

What about the three nights? Is it possible to have three days without nights? I try to fixate on all that Yahshua spoke. Would you reject his word?

 

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Nope. That has Jesus rising on the fourth day

That would be the third day after his burial, three nights and three days later.

That works much better that the two night hypothesis; but I'm still open to alternate logical explanations which conform to scripture.

 

[HARK!]

Yes hark, He rose on the third day and not after the third day.

Matthew 16:21
From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.

Matthew 17:23
And they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day. And they were deeply grieved.

Matthew 20:19
And will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.

NOT AFTER THE THIRD DAY!

How would you calculate three days from now?

I give you a hint. Tomorrow is 1 day away from today. Two days from now includes, tomorrow.

The next step is as easy as 1,2,3.

 

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It has him being risen on the third day after his death.

No, because the Jews count inclusively. The day on which He was crucified is the 1st day, so you have Him rising on the 4th day.

 

[prodromos]

How would you calculate three days from now?

I give you a hint. Tomorrow is 1 day away from today. Two days from now includes, tomorrow.

The next step is as easy as 1,2,3.

That isn't how the Jews counted days.

 

[HARK!]

That isn't how the Jews counted days.

This is the perfect day to have this discussion.

It's the first day of the week.

If I say that I will see you today; then I will see you on the first day of the week.

If I say that I will see you tomorrow; then I will see you on the second day of the week.

If I say that I will see you in two days; then I will see you on the 3rd day of the week.

If I say that I will see you in 3 days; then I will see you on the fourth day of the week.

I have many Jewish friends who I have made plans with over the course of many decades. We've never had a problem with communication in this respect.

Now the onus is on you to come up with a credible, verifiable, source to support your claim.

 

[prodromos]

Young's Literal Translation
And on the first of the sabbaths, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bearing the spices they made ready, and certain others with them,

So according to you, the women were violating the sabbath by coming to annoint His body on that day?

 

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So according to you, the women were violating the sabbath by coming to annoint His body on that day?

I don't recall saying that.

When did I say that they were violating the Sabbath?

 

[prodromos]

This is the perfect day to have this discussion.

It's the first day of the week.

If I say that I will see you today; then I will see you on the first day of the week.

If I say that I will see you tomorrow; then I will see you on the second day of the week.

If I say that I will see you in two days; then I will see you on the 3rd day of the week.

If I say that I will see you in 3 days; then I will see you on the fourth day of the week.

I have many Jewish friends who I have made plans with over the course of many decades. We've never had a problem with communication in this respect.

Now the onus is on you to come up with a credible, verifiable, source to support your claim.

Modern Jews do not count in the same manner as their predecessors. They now have the concept of "zero" in their counting which their predecessors did not.

 

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Modern Jews do not count in the same manner as their predecessors. They now have the concept of "zero" in their counting which their predecessors did not.

I asked for a credible, verifiable, source for you claim.

If you can't provide one; I'm content to dismiss this unsupported claim.

 

[prodromos]

I don't recall saying that.

When did I say that they were violating the Sabbath?

Post #340, with your 'qualified' analysis of the Greek and preferred CLV translation.