Ignatius the Kiwi
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But not because of what I think about Polycarp - so not sure why you are off on that tangent.
I claim we are Christians for the same reason that CF does - because of doctrine when it comes to the Trinity, The Gospel and saved-by-grace-through-faith and acceptance of the Bible as the Word of God .
rejected the reformers I listed when you asked for someone who is a Christian between 1000 AD and 1800 AD.
That alone was already sufficient to refute the complaint you are trying to establish.
True - and I chose Polycarp in addition to the others mentioned. I could choose more but you did say that you just needed one.
Question for you - how many fraudulent letters ascribed to Ignatius were at first accepted as legit - ??
Well we are able to distinguish between the authentic letters to Ignatius and the interpolated ones as I believe there are few manuscript traditions. The interpolated ones clearly bear the marks of theology not proper to the early centuries of the Church but later centuries, at least from what I recall, though if you want to dismiss the entire Ignatian corpus I suppose I can't convince you otherwise.
But you do see my broad point right? I'm not trying to argue the superiority of my doctrine over yours. That's a debate worthy in itself but not my goal, rather what I am concerned about is who we should broadly consider as part of the Church or more broadly Christendom. I see a reluctance on your part to place yourself within the historic Church, quite possibly because that historic Church believed and practiced things contrary to SDA teaching. This is understandable. I could understand why you wouldn't accept Augustine, or Athanasius, or Jerome or Gregory Nazianzus, but this means we don't seem to be part of the same Christendom.
You belong to a strain of the reformation in the radical camp, rather than the magisterial reformers like Calvin or Luther. Until you can firmly attach yourself or claim to attach yourself to the historic Church, I cannot personally consider you part of a general Christian orthodoxy. This means embracing the Nicene creed, embracing the history of the Church for all it's existence. Not just the parts you like.
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