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Thou Shalt not Murder

One of the great cornerstones of Christian morality is the 5th Commandment (or 6th for Catholics):

Thou shalt not murder

On the surface this seems to be a fairly straightforward moral law, but there is a complication. The standard definition of ‘murder’ is “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another”. If this commandment has a universal application whose legal/moral system is used to determine what is or is not unlawful?

Legal (or traditionally acceptable) acts of killing have varied enormously through time and between cultures. Examples include:
  • Honour killing
  • Mass killing/genocide
  • Human sacrifice
  • Burning heretics
  • Intentional killing of non-combatants
  • Stoning for various crimes
  • Infanticide
  • Revenge killing
Even today there are differing views of what constitutes legal killing between culturally similar, developed Western countries. Obvious areas of difference are:
  • Capital punishment
  • Euthanasia/assisted suicide
  • The circumstances under which killing in self-defence is acceptable
  • Abortion
Given this variability, the 5th Commandment appears to lack definition unless it’s tied to a particular legal/moral system.


Whose law determines when killing is or is not lawful?

OB


More Reading:
Thou shalt not kill - Wikipedia
Murder - Wikipedia
Honor killing | sociology | Britannica
Human sacrifice - Wikipedia
capital punishment | Definition, Debate, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
euthanasia | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica
burning at the stake | History & Facts | Britannica
United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect
Stoning - Wikipedia
Revenge - Wikipedia
Homicide - Wikipedia
Infanticide - New World Encyclopedia
BBC - Ethics - Abortion: Historical attitudes to abortion
 
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i think only God's word gives us the right direction Mercy not sacrifice - so we are not going to sacrifice even one human life to killing apart of those who have made killing human life their choice of operation. People like war criminals, or mass murderers, or evil dictators who made killing their people a sport, like Adi Amin once liked to do. To get rid of killers is doing humanity a service.

In all other scenarios i believe we ought to hand out mercy, like God does. And we seek to love sin to death in the hearts of those who have become offenders. It is amazing how that works!

As someone who has worked extensively with people with a criminal characters, i know there are people who love to do wrong, including hurting and killing people, and there are those who maybe doing those things, but hate it of themselves and would love to be different. We have to divide the sheep from the goats. For love can change peoples hearts and transform them into completely law abiding individuals.

Only those who love to harm and kill people we do away with.

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i think only God's word gives us the right direction Mercy not sacrifice - so we are not going to sacrifice even one human life to killing apart of those who have made killing human life their choice of operation. People like war criminals, or mass murderers, or evil dictators who made killing their people a sport, like Adi Amin once liked to do. To get rid of killers is doing humanity a service.

In all other scenarios i believe we ought to hand out mercy, like God does. And we seek to love sin to death in the hearts of those who have become offenders. It is amazing how that works!

As someone who has worked extensively with people with a criminal characters, i know there are people who love to do wrong, including hurting and killing people, and there are those who maybe doing those things, but hate it of themselves and would love to be different. We have to divide the sheep from the goats. For love can change peoples hearts and transform them into completely law abiding individuals.

Only those who love to harm and kill people we do away with.

Peace.


You're basically talking about justifying capital punishment. I could ask where your rule comes from but I know the answer. You've based your capital punishment rule on an American interpretation. In my country (and most others) capital punishment is not legal. Who is right?

The OP was much broader. While it includes capital punishment it addresses the range of acceptable killing acts which exist or have existed.

The question I am asking is:

Who determines what killing is unlawful given the huge range of lawful killing which has existed through time and across cultures and still exists between culturally similar countries?

OB
 
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for Christians, that would be God's Law - but who can apply His Law correctly but Him?

when the commandment was given, it was given to people who could not have the indwelling of God's Holy Spirit in them, so when the law was given, it was up to Moses to hear from God when it was appropriate to kill. now that we have the Holy Spirit of God inside us, we are to seek His leading as confirmed by His Word - and He only tells us what Jesus has said. so the better question might be:

can anyone cite New Testament scripture that would allow for killing?
 
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Thou Shalt not Murder

One of the great cornerstones of Christian morality is the 5th Commandment (or 6th for Catholics):

Thou shalt not murder

On the surface this seems to be a fairly straightforward moral law, but there is a complication. The standard definition of ‘murder’ is “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another”. If this commandment has a universal application whose legal/moral system is used to determine what is or is not unlawful?

Legal (or traditionally acceptable) acts of killing have varied enormously through time and between cultures. Examples include:
  • Honour killing
  • Mass killing/genocide
  • Human sacrifice
  • Burning heretics
  • Intentional killing of non-combatants
  • Stoning for various crimes
  • Infanticide
  • Revenge killing
Even today there are differing views of what constitutes legal killing between culturally similar, developed Western countries. Obvious areas of difference are:
  • Capital punishment
  • Euthanasia/assisted suicide
  • The circumstances under which killing in self-defence is acceptable
  • Abortion
Given this variability, the 5th Commandment appears to lack definition unless it’s tied to a particular legal/moral system.


Whose law determines when killing is or is not lawful?

OB


More Reading:
Thou shalt not kill - Wikipedia
Murder - Wikipedia
Honor killing | sociology | Britannica
Human sacrifice - Wikipedia
capital punishment | Definition, Debate, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
euthanasia | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica
burning at the stake | History & Facts | Britannica
United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect
Stoning - Wikipedia
Revenge - Wikipedia
Homicide - Wikipedia
Infanticide - New World Encyclopedia
BBC - Ethics - Abortion: Historical attitudes to abortion

A lot of this depends on one's broadly theological approach to the relationship(s) and intersection of Church and State.

From a Lutheran perspective we have what is often called the Doctrine of the Two Kingdoms. Generally speaking, it means that the Church and the State are fundamentally different kinds of things; the Church is the minister of the Gospel, the State is the minister of temporal justice.

In essence that means that the civil laws which govern society, though differing depending on time and place, are what establishes civil and temporal justice in society. Thus what constitutes murder would, generally, then be defined by civil law--at least insofar as the ministering of temporal and civil justice is concerned.

Thus the State may decree that the death penalty is just, and under its civil jurisdiction the death penalty would not be counted as murder.

Now, as far as Divine Justice is concerned, it may very well be that what is counted just or unjust under civil, temporal law is not in agreement with Divine Law. But we also believe that

1) A person is made justified before God by grace alone, through faith, on Christ's account alone. And thus sins, great or small, are forgiven. This does not mean that one may live lawlessly and still have their golden ticket to paradise, but getting deeper into that particular theological tangent would be outside the scope of the current discussion.

2) There is a Final Judgment at which time all must stand and give account of the lives they lived.

On account of this distinction, the Church as the Church is outside of its jurisdiction (as it were) to tell the State how to conduct its affairs. That is, the Church cannot be lord or master of the State. Neither can the State be lord or master of the Church--if Caesar demands that we deny Christ and worship him instead, the Church is duty-bound to disobey such a law.

Atop of this, I would add St. Augustine's maxim that "An unjust law is no law at all". Which Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. quotes in "Letter from a Birmingham Jail", and is foundational to King's principles of non-violent civil disobedience. That is, from a place of conscience, unjust laws do not bind us to being complicit or complacent in regard to injustice.

The Church can, I would argue, speak as a conscientious voice toward the State. Likewise, while the Church may not command the State; there is nothing to stop individual Christians, in their vocation as citizens, from putting in their voice and energies in the realm of statecraft.

Thus, were the State to declare the free-for-all killing of a certain demographic as perfectly lawful (as a pure hypothetical):

1) Christians would be in no way justified in killing, regardless of civil law on the matter.
2) The Church can speak conscientiously, calling evil evil.
3) Christians can, as a matter of conscience and as citizens speak out, and seek changes to civil law in accordance with whatever rules govern such individual participation in matters of the State.

If we applied this to, oh I don't know, abortion:

1) A Christian may argue that they cannot, because on religious grounds it would still be wrong.
2) The Church may not tell the State what to do, but can still speak its voice on the subject if it believes this to be unjust.
3) Individual Christians can, on the basis of conscientious citizens, speak and vote.

But under civil law, where abortion is legal, abortion isn't murder under said civil law.

This has been very verbose--arguably too wordy--but I think the meat and potatoes would be thus:

"Thou Shalt Not Murder" applies to both Divine Law and civil law. Where civil law defines murder, so murder has been defined. In accordance with Divine Law even if civil law does not proscribe an act as murder, one would still be liable for his or her actions on the Day of Judgment.

That there is both civil temporal law; and divine law. Temporal and civil justice; and divine justice.

So a thing may be both legal and wrong; conversely a thing may be both illegal and right. The Church cannot strong arm the State; but that does not mean Christians having to blindly follow the State.

I'm hoping this all made some semblance of sense. But as a disclaimer, what's been said here is simply my understanding of the Doctrine of the Two Kingdoms (along with influence from Dr. King and Pastor Bonhoeffer) Also, while I provided abortion as an example (since it is probably the most obvious example in a discussion such as this) I have not provided my own personal views on that subject.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I think the issue is around the matter of legality. If for instance the authorities and executing the innocent it is legitimate to flee their influence.
This means that although their authority is God given it is being abused.
 
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Thou Shalt not Murder

One of the great cornerstones of Christian morality is the 5th Commandment (or 6th for Catholics):

Thou shalt not murder

On the surface this seems to be a fairly straightforward moral law, but there is a complication. The standard definition of ‘murder’ is “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another”. If this commandment has a universal application whose legal/moral system is used to determine what is or is not unlawful?

Legal (or traditionally acceptable) acts of killing have varied enormously through time and between cultures. Examples include:
  • Honour killing
  • Mass killing/genocide
  • Human sacrifice
  • Burning heretics
  • Intentional killing of non-combatants
  • Stoning for various crimes
  • Infanticide
  • Revenge killing
Even today there are differing views of what constitutes legal killing between culturally similar, developed Western countries. Obvious areas of difference are:
  • Capital punishment
  • Euthanasia/assisted suicide
  • The circumstances under which killing in self-defence is acceptable
  • Abortion
Given this variability, the 5th Commandment appears to lack definition unless it’s tied to a particular legal/moral system.


Whose law determines when killing is or is not lawful?

OB


More Reading:
Thou shalt not kill - Wikipedia
Murder - Wikipedia
Honor killing | sociology | Britannica
Human sacrifice - Wikipedia
capital punishment | Definition, Debate, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
euthanasia | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica
burning at the stake | History & Facts | Britannica
United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect
Stoning - Wikipedia
Revenge - Wikipedia
Homicide - Wikipedia
Infanticide - New World Encyclopedia
BBC - Ethics - Abortion: Historical attitudes to abortion
Dictionary : MURDER
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MURDER

Definition
The unjust killing of an innocent person. Directly to intend killing of an innocent person is forbidden either to a private citizen or to the State, and this even in order to secure the common good. God has supreme and exclusive ownership over human lives, and so he is the only one who has the right to allow the taking of a human life. He confers on civil authority the right to take the life of a condemned criminal only when this is necessary for achieving the just purposes of the State. In a commentary passage on the Decalogue, divine revelation commands: "See that the man who is innocent and just is not done to death, and do not acquit the guilty" (Exodus 23:7).
AND for more detail CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Homicide
 
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Thou Shalt not Murder

One of the great cornerstones of Christian morality is the 5th Commandment (or 6th for Catholics):

Thou shalt not murder

On the surface this seems to be a fairly straightforward moral law, but there is a complication. The standard definition of ‘murder’ is “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another”. If this commandment has a universal application whose legal/moral system is used to determine what is or is not unlawful?

Legal (or traditionally acceptable) acts of killing have varied enormously through time and between cultures. Examples include:
  • Honour killing
  • Mass killing/genocide
  • Human sacrifice
  • Burning heretics
  • Intentional killing of non-combatants
  • Stoning for various crimes
  • Infanticide
  • Revenge killing
Even today there are differing views of what constitutes legal killing between culturally similar, developed Western countries. Obvious areas of difference are:
  • Capital punishment
  • Euthanasia/assisted suicide
  • The circumstances under which killing in self-defence is acceptable
  • Abortion
Given this variability, the 5th Commandment appears to lack definition unless it’s tied to a particular legal/moral system.


Whose law determines when killing is or is not lawful?

OB


More Reading:
Thou shalt not kill - Wikipedia
Murder - Wikipedia
Honor killing | sociology | Britannica
Human sacrifice - Wikipedia
capital punishment | Definition, Debate, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
euthanasia | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica
burning at the stake | History & Facts | Britannica
United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect
Stoning - Wikipedia
Revenge - Wikipedia
Homicide - Wikipedia
Infanticide - New World Encyclopedia
BBC - Ethics - Abortion: Historical attitudes to abortion


It appears to me that during OT times we were to rid ourselves of certain sinners. We didn't follow what was written and were almost completely wiped from the face of the earth. The NT seems to say self defense and leave the rest to God.
 
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when God gave the commandments to Moses, Jesus had not yet been to the cross, His Holy Spirit was not yet given to lead the faithful; and the priests were to determine God's judgement by 'casting lots' (which is not available to us today under the law of faith in grace); but the intent was that God would decide who was to be killed and why (judgement is the Lord's). more importantly, there was no salvation known to people of Moses' time, whereas there is the knowledge of the gospel today.

we often hear of people wrongly convicted of murder years ago before DNA was discovered as a legal evidence who have been vindicated through DNA evidence - those who were executed before this time who were innocent were themselves wrongly put to death. today, there is no equivalent of the 'lots' of Moses day to clearly indicate God's judgement for the taking of human lives; and we have power through the Holy Spirit to cast the devil out of people, whereas those in the OT did not...
 
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Thou Shalt not Murder

One of the great cornerstones of Christian morality is the 5th Commandment (or 6th for Catholics):

Thou shalt not murder

On the surface this seems to be a fairly straightforward moral law, but there is a complication. The standard definition of ‘murder’ is “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another”. If this commandment has a universal application whose legal/moral system is used to determine what is or is not unlawful?

Legal (or traditionally acceptable) acts of killing have varied enormously through time and between cultures. Examples include:
  • Honour killing
  • Mass killing/genocide
  • Human sacrifice
  • Burning heretics
  • Intentional killing of non-combatants
  • Stoning for various crimes
  • Infanticide
  • Revenge killing
Even today there are differing views of what constitutes legal killing between culturally similar, developed Western countries. Obvious areas of difference are:
  • Capital punishment
  • Euthanasia/assisted suicide
  • The circumstances under which killing in self-defence is acceptable
  • Abortion
Given this variability, the 5th Commandment appears to lack definition unless it’s tied to a particular legal/moral system.


Whose law determines when killing is or is not lawful?

OB


More Reading:
Thou shalt not kill - Wikipedia
Murder - Wikipedia
Honor killing | sociology | Britannica
Human sacrifice - Wikipedia
capital punishment | Definition, Debate, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
euthanasia | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica
burning at the stake | History & Facts | Britannica
United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect
Stoning - Wikipedia
Revenge - Wikipedia
Homicide - Wikipedia
Infanticide - New World Encyclopedia
BBC - Ethics - Abortion: Historical attitudes to abortion

The definition of murder does not vary greatly from culture to culture or legal system to legal system, but the context of the fifth commandment would obviously be the Hebraic legal system of the time, which is spelled out in some detail in Leviticus and other such texts.
 
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Dictionary : MURDER
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MURDER

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The unjust killing of an innocent person. Directly to intend killing of an innocent person is forbidden either to a private citizen or to the State, and this even in order to secure the common good. God has supreme and exclusive ownership over human lives, and so he is the only one who has the right to allow the taking of a human life. He confers on civil authority the right to take the life of a condemned criminal only when this is necessary for achieving the just purposes of the State. In a commentary passage on the Decalogue, divine revelation commands: "See that the man who is innocent and just is not done to death, and do not acquit the guilty" (Exodus 23:7).
AND for more detail CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Homicide

So whatever the state determines is 'just' is OK?
So if the State determines that assisted suicide is OK then it would be allowable under the 5th Commandment? Ditto for abortion, capital punishment etc.

And since the State, in the past, allowed for burning heretics, was this also consistent with the 5th?

OB
 
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The definition of murder does not vary greatly from culture to culture or legal system to legal system, but the context of the fifth commandment would obviously be the Hebraic legal system of the time, which is spelled out in some detail in Leviticus and other such texts.
Part of the OP included examples of 'lawful' killing which have applied over time and culture along with some modern differences in what constitutes 'lawful' killing. The differences are significant.

I thought Christians saw the Ten Commandments as a universal set of rules. Are you suggesting we should base our modern interpretations of unlawful killing on the Hebraic legal system applying several thousand years ago?

If not, how do we define what killing is unlawful? Is it simply whatever the state determines is unlawful?

OB
 
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It appears to me that during OT times we were to rid ourselves of certain sinners. We didn't follow what was written and were almost completely wiped from the face of the earth. The NT seems to say self defense and leave the rest to God.


Are you saying the Ten Commandments no longer applies?

OB
 
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when God gave the commandments to Moses, Jesus had not yet been to the cross, His Holy Spirit was not yet given to lead the faithful; and the priests were to determine God's judgement by 'casting lots' (which is not available to us today under the law of faith in grace); but the intent was that God would decide who was to be killed and why (judgement is the Lord's). more importantly, there was no salvation known to people of Moses' time, whereas there is the knowledge of the gospel today.

we often hear of people wrongly convicted of murder years ago before DNA was discovered as a legal evidence who have been vindicated through DNA evidence - those who were executed before this time who were innocent were themselves wrongly put to death. today, there is no equivalent of the 'lots' of Moses day to clearly indicate God's judgement for the taking of human lives; and we have power through the Holy Spirit to cast the devil out of people, whereas those in the OT did not...


Sorry DHLT. I have no idea what you're on about apart from something about capital punishment.

OB
 
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A lot of this depends on one's broadly theological approach to the relationship(s) and intersection of Church and State.

From a Lutheran perspective we have what is often called the Doctrine of the Two Kingdoms. Generally speaking, it means that the Church and the State are fundamentally different kinds of things; the Church is the minister of the Gospel, the State is the minister of temporal justice.

In essence that means that the civil laws which govern society, though differing depending on time and place, are what establishes civil and temporal justice in society. Thus what constitutes murder would, generally, then be defined by civil law--at least insofar as the ministering of temporal and civil justice is concerned.

Thus the State may decree that the death penalty is just, and under its civil jurisdiction the death penalty would not be counted as murder.

Now, as far as Divine Justice is concerned, it may very well be that what is counted just or unjust under civil, temporal law is not in agreement with Divine Law. But we also believe that

1) A person is made justified before God by grace alone, through faith, on Christ's account alone. And thus sins, great or small, are forgiven. This does not mean that one may live lawlessly and still have their golden ticket to paradise, but getting deeper into that particular theological tangent would be outside the scope of the current discussion.

2) There is a Final Judgment at which time all must stand and give account of the lives they lived.

On account of this distinction, the Church as the Church is outside of its jurisdiction (as it were) to tell the State how to conduct its affairs. That is, the Church cannot be lord or master of the State. Neither can the State be lord or master of the Church--if Caesar demands that we deny Christ and worship him instead, the Church is duty-bound to disobey such a law.

Atop of this, I would add St. Augustine's maxim that "An unjust law is no law at all". Which Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. quotes in "Letter from a Birmingham Jail", and is foundational to King's principles of non-violent civil disobedience. That is, from a place of conscience, unjust laws do not bind us to being complicit or complacent in regard to injustice.

The Church can, I would argue, speak as a conscientious voice toward the State. Likewise, while the Church may not command the State; there is nothing to stop individual Christians, in their vocation as citizens, from putting in their voice and energies in the realm of statecraft.

Thus, were the State to declare the free-for-all killing of a certain demographic as perfectly lawful (as a pure hypothetical):

1) Christians would be in no way justified in killing, regardless of civil law on the matter.
2) The Church can speak conscientiously, calling evil evil.
3) Christians can, as a matter of conscience and as citizens speak out, and seek changes to civil law in accordance with whatever rules govern such individual participation in matters of the State.

If we applied this to, oh I don't know, abortion:

1) A Christian may argue that they cannot, because on religious grounds it would still be wrong.
2) The Church may not tell the State what to do, but can still speak its voice on the subject if it believes this to be unjust.
3) Individual Christians can, on the basis of conscientious citizens, speak and vote.

But under civil law, where abortion is legal, abortion isn't murder under said civil law.

This has been very verbose--arguably too wordy--but I think the meat and potatoes would be thus:

"Thou Shalt Not Murder" applies to both Divine Law and civil law. Where civil law defines murder, so murder has been defined. In accordance with Divine Law even if civil law does not proscribe an act as murder, one would still be liable for his or her actions on the Day of Judgment.

That there is both civil temporal law; and divine law. Temporal and civil justice; and divine justice.

So a thing may be both legal and wrong; conversely a thing may be both illegal and right. The Church cannot strong arm the State; but that does not mean Christians having to blindly follow the State.

I'm hoping this all made some semblance of sense. But as a disclaimer, what's been said here is simply my understanding of the Doctrine of the Two Kingdoms (along with influence from Dr. King and Pastor Bonhoeffer) Also, while I provided abortion as an example (since it is probably the most obvious example in a discussion such as this) I have not provided my own personal views on that subject.

-CryptoLutheran


Hi VC

Your answers to my past questions have usually been a model of clarity - thank you. Unfortunately in this case you seem to be overthinking it. I'm having a deal of trouble understanding where you're coming from.

Through the mist I think you're saying that it's the state's role to determine what killing is lawful. This is consistent with a couple of other replies. The problem I have is that states have varied enormously in their determination of what is lawful killing. Think of things like legal infanticide or human sacrifice. (there are some end notes in the OP covering both topics).

If the state decides, we have huge differences between them in what constitutes legal killing. In spite of these differences all would be consistent with the 5th since it doesn't specify what is legal killing. Since I believe that morality is relative to time, place and culture, this would match my expectations but I doubt that Christians would agree.

OB
 
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Part of the OP included examples of 'lawful' killing which have applied over time and culture along with some modern differences in what constitutes 'lawful' killing. The differences are significant.

Are they? A very common definition of murder would be, "The intentional killing of an innocent person." I don't see much variation.

I thought Christians saw the Ten Commandments as a universal set of rules. Are you suggesting we should base our modern interpretations of unlawful killing on the Hebraic legal system applying several thousand years ago?

If you want to know what a prohibition within a text means, then look at the textual context. I wouldn't interpret English law in a Chinese "context." According to that Hebrew context I would say that murder is the intentional killing of an innocent person. There are difficulties and hiccups, such as the idea that private citizens are not authorized to punish offenses, but I don't see a lot of ambiguity here.

For example, different cultures don't really differ on whether executing heretics is murder. Rather, they differ on whether heretics are innocents or whether heresy is a capital crime. The same could be said for things like treason or adultery. The other examples you gave are similar. I don't think the essential definition of murder varies from place to place.
 
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I think the issue is around the matter of legality. If for instance the authorities and executing the innocent it is legitimate to flee their influence.
This means that although their authority is God given it is being abused.
Hi Carl

I'm not sure how your comments apply to the question I raised in the OP.

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Are they? A very common definition of murder would be, "The intentional killing of an innocent person." I don't see much variation.
Correction - the unlawful intentional/premeditated killing of a person (their lack of innocence doesn't necessarily make it legal to kill them)

Go back to the OP and look at the list of killing acts acceptable in some past cultures/states.

For example, different cultures don't really differ on whether executing heretics is murder. Rather, they differ on whether heretics are innocents or whether heresy is a capital crime. The same could be said for things like treason or adultery. The other examples you gave are similar. I don't think the essential definition of murder varies from place to place.

We're not talking about capital punishment. Capital punishment was simply one of a dozen examples of the differences between cultures/states on what constituted lawful killing. Incidentally the crimes attracting the death penalty have varied enormously across time and culture.
capital punishment | Definition, Debate, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

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Thou Shalt not Murder

One of the great cornerstones of Christian morality is the 5th Commandment (or 6th for Catholics):

Thou shalt not murder

On the surface this seems to be a fairly straightforward moral law, but there is a complication. The standard definition of ‘murder’ is “the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another”. If this commandment has a universal application whose legal/moral system is used to determine what is or is not unlawful?

Legal (or traditionally acceptable) acts of killing have varied enormously through time and between cultures. Examples include:
  • Honour killing
  • Mass killing/genocide
  • Human sacrifice
  • Burning heretics
  • Intentional killing of non-combatants
  • Stoning for various crimes
  • Infanticide
  • Revenge killing
Even today there are differing views of what constitutes legal killing between culturally similar, developed Western countries. Obvious areas of difference are:
  • Capital punishment
  • Euthanasia/assisted suicide
  • The circumstances under which killing in self-defence is acceptable
  • Abortion
Given this variability, the 5th Commandment appears to lack definition unless it’s tied to a particular legal/moral system.


Whose law determines when killing is or is not lawful?

OB


More Reading:
Thou shalt not kill - Wikipedia
Murder - Wikipedia
Honor killing | sociology | Britannica
Human sacrifice - Wikipedia
capital punishment | Definition, Debate, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
euthanasia | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica
burning at the stake | History & Facts | Britannica
United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect
Stoning - Wikipedia
Revenge - Wikipedia
Homicide - Wikipedia
Infanticide - New World Encyclopedia
BBC - Ethics - Abortion: Historical attitudes to abortion
The Law itself provides more context. It calls for capital punishment after a fair trial with sufficient evidence for a number of sins. Such capital punishment that meets these standards is not murder, there are even different Hebrew words that are used to describe each.
 
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