what will happen to the Jews?

[Clare73]

Ishmael was cut off and remained living.

Where do we find in Scripture that Ishmael was cut off (Heb: karah--to be cut down, asunder)?
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[Dave L]

Where do we find in Scripture that Ishmael was cut off (Heb: karah--cut down)?

Even though circumcised, Abraham banished him, showing us that both circumcision and membership in the group made one Abraham's covenant seed.

 

[James Honigman]

Romans 11 doesn’t say that every Jew that ever lived will be saved - it says that all of them who are alive to see the deliverer come out of Zion (Jesus when He returns and destroys the nations destroying Zion (Jerusalem) in Zechariah 14) will realize He is their Messiah, and believe, and be saved (by faith).

Every Jewish person who lived after 33 AD when the new covenant was established with the House of Israel, who died having rejected Jesus as their Messiah and savior, will be condemned, just as everyone who heard the gospel and rejected it, will be.

Shalom.

Hi Chad. I agree with some of your comments, but my posting was meant to be an explanation of the role the Jews have played rather than a Bible lesson. The role they have played, since the Garden of Eden I might add, was the role our Heavenly Father chose for them. Insofar as the Bible, Jesus Christ was meant to be a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock for them. Their eyes were darkened to Him being their Messiah on purpose. Why? As Romans11:31 explains, Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy have obtained mercy. It was God's plan for my people to be blinded to the truth of Christ, and will He now destroy them all for their nonbelief? No, our merciful Father told us in verse 25 that He did not want us to be ignorant of this mystery. Oh, the wisdom and knowledge of God is unsearchable. To finish, what will happen to the Jews? They will all be taught of God in the millennial day, which is the 7th day, which is about to begin, in my humble opinion.

 

[James Honigman]

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It’s just a handed down tradition that no longer exist since God got rid of material religion. That’s why I’m skeptical of people being as authenticity of their Jewish heritage, things were much different from Old Testament to the New Testament, and things changed after 70 ad. So claiming Jewish based on handed down traditional ways doesn’t make a Jew necessarily in my own opinion.

I'm sorry Gallagher, but I've heard enough. My ancestors were Rabbis in Minsk before my Grandfather migrated to the U.S. in 1914. I was raised in the Jewish faith, and had my Bar Mitzvah in 1959. Now you tell me I'm not Jewish? By the way, I love my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and He loves me.

 

[James Honigman]

Over 300 were gentiles originally. Only Ishmael was related to him at that time.

Hi Dave. Just wanted to jump in to say the Word of God is exceedingly accurate. Abraham was indeed the father of many nations when we consider the 12 princes of Ishmael make up most if not all of the Arab world today. He was Abraham's son by Hagar, the Egyptian, as you know.

 

[Clare73]

Even though circumcised, Abraham banished him, showing us that both circumcision and membership in the group made one Abraham's covenant seed.

Abraham's seed was reckoned through Isaac only (Ge 11:12).

The promise of Ge 15:5 was to Abraham's seed only, as reckoned through Isaac, and was fulfilled in Egypt.

The circumcision of that seed made up the covenant people of the promise.

Ishmael was Abraham's seed, but he was not the seed of (resulting from) the promise (Gal 4:23, 28; Ge 17:15-16).
Ishmael was banished because he was not of the seed of the promise with whom the covenant was made.
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[Clare73]

Hi Dave. Just wanted to jump in to say the Word of God is exceedingly accurate. Abraham was indeed the father of many nations when we consider the 12 princes of Ishmael make up most if not all of the Arab world today. He was Abraham's son by Hagar, the Egyptian, as you know.

Would that not be fulfillment of the promises of Ge 16:10, 21:13?
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[James Honigman]

Would that not be fulfillment of the promises of Ge 16:10, 21:13?
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Yes, that's right Clare. The Arab nations have certainly come into prominence when oil became so valuable, but the Biblical difference is in the Seeds. The covenant Seed went thru Isaac, Who is, of course, Jesus Christ. But God kept His promise to Ishmael also.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, that's right Clare. The Arab nations have certainly come into prominence when oil became so valuable, but the Biblical difference is in the Seeds. The covenant Seed went thru Isaac, Who is, of course, Jesus Christ. But God kept His promise to Ishmael also.

Praise the Lord for your love of the Savior!
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[parousia70]

For another, Eusebius tells us that the Jewish Christians of Jerusalem fled to Pella to wait out the conflict, and in fact at the end of the Bar Kocbha rebellion in 135 there was still a Jewish Christian bishop of Jerusalem, Judah Kyriakos, the great-grandson of St. Jude the Lord's brother.

And It is always and ONLY through the Lineages of these Faithful Jews that Israel finds it's covenanted continuation. This is the same pattern that took place in Isaiah's day and in Elijah's day -- i.e., the FAITHFUL REMNANT of the jews is true Israel and the rest are destroyed and do not have any heritage (Rom 9:27/Rom 11:2-5).

The Remnant of the elect Jews followed God by following Jesus and his jewish apostles. They are True Faithful Israel. Their jewish brothers who disobeyed and fought against them were cut off from among the people, as stated in Acts 3:22-24. The Rock crushed them (1 Pet 2:7-8/Mt 21:43-45), for they rejected the time of God's visitation (Luke 19:40-44).

Modern Jews are Jews. There's no reason to believe otherwise.

-CryptoLutheran

By what measure?
By what measure is Whoopie Goldberg, a Modern Jew, a Jew?

Does she have the Same pre desolation Hebrew Haplotype markers as Benjamin Netanyahu?

Does Benjamin Netanyahu Have pre desolation genetic Haplotype Markers that prove He is a descendant of Jacob?

Doesn't Everyone on earth have those same Markers today?

What of the Jews today who descended from pre desolation converts?
Still Jews, just not genetic Jews?

By what measure then, are Modern Jews, Jews if they can be of ANY genetic background?

They Don't follow Moses or the Law, so it can't be by that measure...

Is "Because I say I am a Jew" basically THE acceptable measure?

 

[RickReads]

And It is always and ONLY through the Lineages of these Faithful Jews that Israel finds it's covenanted continuation. This is the same pattern that took place in Isaiah's day and in Elijah's day -- i.e., the FAITHFUL REMNANT of the jews is true Israel and the rest are destroyed and do not have any heritage (Rom 9:27/Rom 11:2-5).

The Remnant of the elect Jews followed God by following Jesus and his jewish apostles. They are True Faithful Israel. Their jewish brothers who disobeyed and fought against them were cut off from among the people, as stated in Acts 3:22-24. The Rock crushed them (1 Pet 2:7-8/Mt 21:43-45), for they rejected the time of God's visitation (Luke 19:40-44).



By what measure?
By what measure is Whoopie Goldberg, a Modern Jew, a Jew?

Does she have the Same pre desolation Hebrew Haplotype markers as Benjamin Netanyahu?

Does Benjamin Netanyahu Have pre desolation genetic Haplotype Markers that prove He is a descendant of Jacob?

Doesn't Everyone on earth have those same Markers today?

What of the Jews today who descended from pre desolation converts?
Still Jews, just not genetic Jews?

By what measure then, are Modern Jews, Jews if they can be of ANY genetic background?

They Don't follow Moses or the Law, so it can't be by that measure...

Is "Because I say I am a Jew" basically THE acceptable measure?

The Jews represent the bloodline of Adam. The law made provision for Gentiles to join Israel so Jews can be of any race. They have a prophetic destiny that must be fulfilled before this earth can be replaced.

 

[parousia70]

I guess THIS:

The Jews represent the bloodline of Adam. The law made provision for Gentiles to join Israel so Jews can be of any race. They have a prophetic destiny that must be fulfilled before this earth can be replaced.

Is the way to answer "YES" to THIS:

Doesn't Everyone on earth have those same [Jewish] Markers today?

AND THIS:

Is "Because I say I am a Jew" basically THE acceptable measure?

 

[RickReads]

I guess THIS:


Is the way to answer "YES" to THIS:


AND THIS:

I`m not sure what you mean.

 

[Basil the Great]

Robert Jeffress, Pastor Who Said Jews Are Going to Hell, Led Prayer at Jerusalem Embassy (Published 2018)

there are a lot of modern Jews - non Orthodox secular Jews - who blaspheme everyday
they use the Lord's name for cursing

The fate of the Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and agnostics and atheists will be decided by God Almighty and not by Rev. Jeffress, nor by anyone on this website.

 

[Basil the Great]

The Vatican issued a statement a few years ago saying that "it is a mystery how the Jews are saved", thereby implying that many of them will be saved. Once again, only God knows the fate of anyone and everyone, including I dare say probably hundreds of millions of Christians who simply assume that they are saved.

 

[Dave L]

Abraham's seed was reckoned through Isaac only (Ge 11:12).

The promise of Ge 15:5 was to Abraham's seed only, as reckoned through Isaac, and was fulfilled in Egypt.

The circumcision of that seed made up the covenant people of the promise.

Ishmael was Abraham's seed, but he was not the seed of (resulting from) the promise (Gal 4:23, 28; Ge 17:15-16).
Ishmael was banished because he was not of the seed of the promise with whom the covenant was made.
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Paul says Jesus is Abraham's seed. This means his bloodline began in Isaac. But all who were ever circumcised were Abraham's covenant seed.

 

[Dave L]

I'm sorry Gallagher, but I've heard enough. My ancestors were Rabbis in Minsk before my Grandfather migrated to the U.S. in 1914. I was raised in the Jewish faith, and had my Bar Mitzvah in 1959. Now you tell me I'm not Jewish? By the way, I love my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and He loves me.

You are not biblically Jewish, but traditionally Jewish. Christ abolished unbelieving physical Jews and unbelieving physical Israel when he abolished circumcision on the cross.

 

[parousia70]

I`m not sure what you mean.

Seems you were basically saying “all of humanity are Jews”.
No?
If bloodline of Adam = all of humanity
And bloodline of Adam = Jews
And Jews = anyone of any genetic background

Then, the entire Human race is Jewish.

is this not what you are saying?

 

[RickReads]

Seems you were basically saying “all of humanity are Jews”.
No?
If bloodline of Adam = all of humanity
And bloodline of Adam = Jews
And Jews = anyone of any genetic background

Then, the entire Human race is Jewish.

is this not what you are saying?

Where did Cain's wife come from?

 

[Clare73]

Where did Cain's wife come from?

Same place Abel's wife came from.