Hardly, read a good history book on the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Communist China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Cuba, and Pre WWII Japan.
You said:
"The leaders of atheistic and humanistic nations tend to be evil because they tend to live consistently with their atheistic philosophies because they dont have governmental constraints on them like the common people. Also, because humans are naturally religious many dont go along with their leaders philosophies."
And I pointed out that this is just a string of unsubstantiated assertions. Which it is. First, there is no such thing as an atheistic philosophy. Fascism, Humanism and Communism are literally poles apart from each other.
Your second sentence makes no sense. You said that atheists live in hellholes. Well, most Chinese people are atheists. Why is it, then, that they have governmental constraints that make them act like civilised people, which they do? Also, the Chinese culture has very little to do with Communism and a great deal to do with Confucianism. Take it from one who lives here.
Your third sentence - "most humans are naturally religious" - wait, I thought it was only Christianity that had the power to inspire people to the level of ethical behaviour you claim.
You have nothing. You want to say that atheists are evil people because they have no God, but the evidence is all against you. Obviously, they aren't.
Depends on if the humanist nation is a former Christian nation, but even over time as humanism gains greater power, the people start losing their freedoms and rights. Look at most of Europe.
Again, this is just an unfounded assertion.
And since you've said nothing to refute what I said before, I'll just repeat it.
"In other words, it's just as I said. An atheistic society may have laws based on anything at all. If you are not aware of the enormous gulf between humanists and totalitarians - that is to say, that they are at opposite ends of the spectrum - then you don't know enough about this at the spectrum."
Also, please stop confusing atheistic (a statement about a person's beliefs which says nothing at all about their morals) with humanistic (a label that says a great deal about their morals). Communists are not humanists, as both would be very quick to tell you.
I am referring primarily Christian political philosophy, other religion based societies can be just as bad as atheistic societies and in some cases much worse.
Well, this is obviously false, as anyone can see from simply looking around the world. India, Japan and China are obviously not hellholes.
The US was better than modern day China 100 years ago. We had much more freedom and economic opportunity even for minorities. There was a significant population of black millionaires in the 1930s and 40s. There are no Muslim millionaires in China. Most of them are in concentration camps.
First of all, conditions for the average Chinese person of today are much better than for US citizens a hundred years ago -
if the US citizen of the 1920s that we're talking about it not a white male. You need to learn a bit of history about the obstacles that faced blacks, other non-whites and women in twentieth century.
Second, China seems to be doing a lot better at the moment than the US is. Let's not go into details. I'm just sure that the average American would be very happy if their government could handle the current pandemic as well as China is - even if they wouldn't be happy about putting it in those terms.
But they both had signficant numbers of people working to make it better from the beginning because of their Christian principles. There was always a moral goal and objective standard to work for. No such thing exists in secular humanist nations and atheist nations. And we have reached many of those standards.
You elected a career con man, a grifter, a thief, a sexual assaulter, and you did it with the enthusiastic backing of many of your Christians.
Which ones were the most horrible in the history of the world? As I state above only Christian based societies have objective goals and standards by which they can strive to make themselves better and that has been occurring ever since they are founded especially in the US. There were significant numbers of people fighting against slavery from the first colonizers on.
This is pretty rich, seeing how you've shown yourself unable to justify Christian moral standards except by the circular logic you promised you wouldn't use.
No, mostly it was just a series of many wars. There was no preplanned extermination as there was with the holocaust. And that article falsely implies that Indian populations were reduced by millions because wars and mass slaughters. 80% of Native American deaths were caused by the unintentional spread of disease that they had no natural resistance to.
Plenty of Indians were killed by war and mass slaughters. Any nation claiming to have superior ethical standards has a serious obstacle when it has the murder of innocents in its history. And not all of the spreading of disease was unintentional.
Look, I'm not saying the USA is not a great country, or that all of its sins are inexcusable. But you're trying to claim that the USA is an exemplar of morality, and it simply isn't, any more than any other flawed human country.
Most of the larger ones resulted in or were attempted to providing freedom for millions. Some were stymied by mismanagement like Vietnam and a few others but overall the good accomplished far outweighs the bad.
Good grief, you have a really simplistic and underdeveloped view of human history. America joined the Second World War because it was attacked, not (just) because it was the right thing to do. Had the Japanese not bombed Pearl Harbour, America would very probably have left Hitler to get on with it. The wars against Communism were precisely that - wars against Communism, out of fear that Russia would grow too powerful. Freeing oppressed peoples was always a side benefit. And in recent times, the USA has destabilised entire regions with unending and pointless wars.
Nevertheless true and nothing like what China has done putting children in brainwashing concentration camps and using their parents for organ harvesting. Not to mention the millions of baby girls aborted.
It's appalling that you can defend the practice of putting children into cages in which they were maltreated, abused and left to die. You're making the argument that the USA is not a moral paragon far better than I could.
The US economy is rebounding faster than any economy in history. 10 million new jobs created last month. Due to their extreme lack of transparency we have no idea how China is handling the crisis. You dont honestly think any of their numbers are accurate do you? Communist nations keep everyone in the dark by definition. Trying the stop the slaughter of millions of innocent unborn children is hardly a heartless act.
You honestly don't think the White House is telling you the truth, do you? The US economy is in serious trouble. And while I would not be surprised to learn that China is manipulating data, I might inform you that I am living here - and the situation is much, much better than the USA at present.
Basically, the Chinese government sensibly tackled the coronavirus and got it under control, while the US government, led by Donald Trump and the Rpeublicans, decided that a closed-sown economy was worse that 200, 000 + deaths.
See above about 10 million new jobs. Biden will reduce our First and Second Amendment rights, he has admitted it.
I doubt Joe Biden will reduce the First Amendment rights. Donald Trump, on the other hand, would very much like to eliminate them altogether, as he has said many times. And I doubt Joe Biden will reduce Second Amendment rights as much as they need to be reduced.
No, I am right as demonstrated in this post and my earlier ones.
Your earlier posts no more prove you right than this one did.
I'll say it again, as you clearly haven't addressed this yet:
"Look, I get you don't like being proved wrong, but there comes a point where you just have to say move on. You say that atheism produces hellholes and evil people, and its simply and observably untrue. You're wrong. Deal with it."
You've got a number of huge holes in your arguments. One is that atheism = communism or fascism. As I've pointed out before, atheism has no moral stance. It isn't involved in morals, any more than theism is. Another problem you have is that saying atheism = evil and Christianity = good is obviously wrong. Look at China today. It's obviously not a hellhole. I live here. It's a good place. Yes, it does have human rights problems, many of them, but so does the USA, of a different type. Yes, I do think the USA
in theory is a morally superior society, and that's because it was set up to be so, by people who firmly decided that religion was not going to be a part of their government, thereby blowing a hole in your argument.
If you do wish to argue that the American system is a beacon of morality, I could get behind that. But it's a humanistic one. It's a system that was set up, by people and for people, not based on religious creeds, but based on analysis of the type of government that works best, by and for the people, learning from history to avoid oppression and tyranny of dictators, monarchs and religious warfare. Take a look at the ideals of the Founding Fathers as expressed in the kind of country they wished to build, and you'll find it in direct line with the beliefs and values of humanists - freedom, liberty, democracy.
