No sign of Antifa in civil unrest cases...

[Ana the Ist]

You can't give out instructions on how to join a "violent left wing extremist group", because that "violent left wing extremist group" doesn't exist.

They're a left wing extremist group....they use and advocate violence.

Third man charged in alleged antifa assault of two Marine reservists in Philadelphia

I'm not sure what part you're confused about.

Antifa activists say violence is necessary

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'd rather not give out instructions for joining a violent left wing extremist group on a public forum.

Did you think before you asked me that?

That's okay; nobody else knows, either.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Speaking of ideas, did you see the bit where the Georgia primary shows more whites than blacks used absentee ballots?

How do they know?

 

[grasping the after wind]

You can't give out instructions on how to join a "violent left wing extremist group", because that "violent left wing extremist group" doesn't exist.

Antifa is an idea, not an organization.

-CryptoLutheran

Antifa is not an idea it is an excuse to be violent toward anyone that doesn't agree 100% with a political POV. No there is no organization as such just a very warped mind set.

 

[Ana the Ist]

That's okay; nobody else knows, either.

Evidence shows otherwise.

 

[KCfromNC]

They're a left wing extremist group....they use and advocate violence.

Third man charged in alleged antifa assault of two Marine reservists in Philadelphia

Everyone else notice the date on this article?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Antifa is not an idea it is an excuse to be violent toward anyone that doesn't agree 100% with a political POV. No there is no organization as such just a very warped mind set.

As someone who has consistently identified as anti-fascist my entire adult life, and also as someone who has identified as an advocate of non-violence, I find the idea of labeling those opposed to fascism as "violent extremists" very bizarre.

Want to be critical of people behaving badly? Well I'm critical of that too.

But as I see it, the intent to label anti-fascism as a "violent extremist group" is about twisting the narrative. Spin the tale, weave fiction.

The ones in power who wish to spin this are the same people who would have had Dr. King labeled a terrorist if they could have.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[grasping the after wind]

As someone who has consistently identified as anti-fascist my entire adult life, and also as someone who has identified as an advocate of non-violence, I find the idea of labeling those opposed to fascism as "violent extremists" very bizarre.

Want to be critical of people behaving badly? Well I'm critical of that too.

But as I see it, the intent to label anti-fascism as a "violent extremist group" is about twisting the narrative. Spin the tale, weave fiction.

The ones in power who wish to spin this are the same people who would have had Dr. King labeled a terrorist if they could have.

-CryptoLutheran

No one actually opposed to fascism, as you are and as I am, and a proponent of non violence, as you and I also are, has been labelled a violent extremists by me. Only those that identify as Antifa( something quite a bit different than simply being anti fascist ) have been called that. What I have witnessed people that identify with Antifa do is not anti fascist non violence but fascistic intolerance of non compliance with a political POV. What I object to is not the opposing of the same fascism which I oppose, it is the use of violent intimidation tactics that are typical of fascists being used upon non fascists by people claiming to be anti fascists. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet but a person acting like a typical fascist while calling her/himself anti fascist smells even more rotten.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Everyone else notice the date on this article?

Hopefully they noticed the post it was in response to.

 

[Ana the Ist]

As someone who has consistently identified as anti-fascist my entire adult life, and also as someone who has identified as an advocate of non-violence, I find the idea of labeling those opposed to fascism as "violent extremists" very bizarre.

Want to be critical of people behaving badly? Well I'm critical of that too.

But as I see it, the intent to label anti-fascism as a "violent extremist group" is about twisting the narrative. Spin the tale, weave fiction.

The ones in power who wish to spin this are the same people who would have had Dr. King labeled a terrorist if they could have.

-CryptoLutheran

The Anti Defamation League disagrees...

Who are Antifa?

While some antifa use their fists, other violent tactics include throwing projectiles, including bricks, crowbars, homemade slingshots, metal chains, water bottles, and balloons filled with urine and feces. They have deployed noxious gases, pushed through police barricades, and attempted to exploit any perceived weakness in law enforcement presence.

You are wrong.

 

[Tanj]

How do they know?

An excellent question. I retract the statement, can't find the article that claimed it.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

And I'm talking about it not being an entity, that there is no "their", and "they" have no purpose.

Yep, still not a single named leader. Heck, at this point, I'd settle for a single named member.

Perhaps if people stopped obsessing over what slogans people wear on tshirts, we could have a discussion about something meaningful.

Meanwhile, I note the white gun toting yahoos that protected those towns in Idaho (?) from the unicorn sorry antifa invasion are chalking up the non arrival of the non existent unicorns sorry I mean antifa as a victory.

Here's a single named member...is that what you're looking for? Or simply to prove that they're some how insignificant?

Sorry, but the "if people would stop obsessing over what slogans people wear on their clothing so we can have a meaningful conversation" doesn't play. Slogans and symbols have meaning... Obviously there are some on the left who grasp that, thus the reason why they rightfully object to confederate symbolism and Nazi symbolism. If riots were being caused by people with hoodies that said "the south shall rise again", I doubt that you'd be taking a 'let's just stop obsessing over what's on their shirt' stance, just a hunch.

 

[Tanj]

Here's a single named member...is that what you're looking for?

It sure is. Thanks for the link.

If you agree that he is a member of this group, what are you thoughts on his statement from the vid you linked (at 2:25):

"There is no antifa organisation, there are no antifa meetings"

Sorry, but the "if people would stop obsessing over what slogans people wear on their clothing so we can have a meaningful conversation" doesn't play

That's not what I am saying. I object to the false narrative around the entirely justified USA-wide and even world-wide protests being orchestrated by some well organised and funded militant violent group (anitfa). The sole point in constantly referring to antifa is to allow the clearly hypocritical right wing small government conservatives to cheer for marital law and state sanctioned violence against the overwhelmingly peaceful and lawful protesters.

 

[tall73]

And I'm talking about it not being an entity, that there is no "their", and "they" have no purpose.

Based on their web page they seem to think they are a group. they recount the founding and formation of the group.

They indicate they are "a group closed to members only"

Rose City Antifa

Rose City Antifa (RCA) was founded in Portland, Oregon in October of 2007. RCA was formed after a coalition of local people and organizations formed the 'Ad-Hoc Coalition Against Racism and Fascism' in order to shut down a neo-Nazi skinhead festival called Hammerfest. RCA continues the work of that Ad-Hoc Coalition and countless others who have worked to oppose racial prejudice, bigotry and fascism in our communities in Portland, Oregon, and the Pacific Northwest more broadly.

About

We are a group closed to members only, but if you are interested in joining please send us an email with a little bit of information about you and what makes you interested in joining.

 

[Tanj]

Based on their web page they seem to think they are a group. they recount the founding and formation of the group.

They indicate they are "a group closed to members only"

Rose City Antifa

Ridiculous level of conflation well below your usual standard of posting.

 

[tall73]

Ridiculous level of conflation well below your usual standard of posting.

You will have to explain how the group calling themselves a group is not a group.

What am I conflating? Please spell it out.

Note, I have claimed no information about their involvement in recent events. I am simply noting they consider themselves a group that was founded, has members, you have to join, etc.

That would go against the narrative that ANTIFA is not a group. This local ANTIFA group claims they are a group.

 

[Tanj]

You will have to explain how the group calling themselves a group is not a group.

What am I conflating? Please spell it out.

Sure. the fact that there exists a closed facebook group that calls itself the Rose City Antifa in no way, shape of form proves the existence of an actual national level organisation called Antifa, on no way even hints at antifa being in anyway involved in any aspect of the current unrest. It's utterly irrelevant to the actual conversation.

That would go against the narrative that ANTIFA is not a group.

No, it doesn't. Given there's no trademark or any other IP around the word antifa people are entirely free to insert it whereever they like with a complete absence of intent or causality.

10 Totally Bizarre Facebook Groups & Pages - Oddee

 

[Ana the Ist]

Sure. the fact that there exists a closed facebook group that calls itself

Wait a second....so it doesn't matter if there's dozens and dozens of local chapters of Antifa if there's no national level organisation?

Do you apply the same standards to white supremacy? Terrorist cells?

 

[tall73]

Sure. the fact that there exists a closed facebook group that calls itself the Rose City Antifa in no way, shape of form proves the existence of an actual national level organisation called Antifa, on no way even hints at antifa being in anyway involved in any aspect of the current unrest. It's utterly irrelevant to the actual conversation.

a. They are not just a facebook group. Their website, linked in my post, explains they take actions, and are a group.

b. It is pretty relevant to those saying that there is no group or organization called ANTIFA. This is a group, operating in a particular location, that calls itself ANTIFA.

c. There was discussion of national AND local ANTIFA in the thread.

d. I did not claim they were taking part in any of the recent actions. I was addressing the notion that there are no groups.

No, it doesn't. Given there's no trademark or any other IP around the word antifa people are entirely free to insert it whereever they like with a complete absence of intent or causality.

A group has to have a trademark to be a group? They seem to think they are a group.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest



Well, gosh... we can blame them and label them as terrorists... we just can't seem to find them...

Thoughts?

Anyone with skinny jeans and ear piercings should be declared an antifa member and must be forced to pull up their pants. Especially if they have blue or green hair.