Why do Many Christians Ignore YHWH's Moedim?

[HatGuy]

The use of the word "forever" in the Bible is really various and we must always look at the context. For example:

"To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit."
Jonah 2:6

Jonah says that he was in the fish "forever", but in the next sentence he says that God took him from it.

So, this use of "forever" is not scientific, technical, but he is just expressing how it seemed to him to be there - like a forever.

Agreed.

And also, given that several other "forever" ordinances in the OT can no longer be practiced since there is no temple, obviously one has to look for a deeper spiritual meaning in these things (which even Jews do to this day).

 

[SkyWriting]

PASSOVER
“And this day shall be unto youfor a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD (YHWH) throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD
“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)
“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM KIPPUR
Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)
And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

I've never hear of some of those. This would explain why I don't continue to observe them.

 

[Hammster]

PASSOVER
“And this day shall be unto youfor a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD (YHWH) throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)

UNLEAVENED BREAD
“And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:17)

SHAVUOT (Feast of Weeks)
“And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute FOREVER in all your dwellings throughout your generations.” (Leviticus 23:21)

YOM KIPPUR
Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute FOREVER throughout your generations in all your dwellings.

FEAST OF TABERNACLES (Booths / Sukkot)
And ye shall keep it a feast unto YHWH seven days in the year. It shall be a statute FOREVER in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.(Leviticus 23:41)

Ah. Thanks.

Well, let’s look at the NT.


God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
— Hebrews 1:1-4
Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
— Hebrews 8:1
Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time onward until His enemies be made a footstool for His feet. For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.
— Hebrews 10:11-14


Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
— Romans 7:1-4

We can look at these closer, but we have died to the law, and our High Priest has mad His sacrifice and has sat down at His Father’s right hand. There is no further need to observe the ceremonies because those were types and shadows of Christ, and we have Christ. He fulfilled the law.

Enter into His rest.

 

[SkyWriting]

Agreed.

And also, given that several other "forever" ordinances in the OT can no longer be practiced since there is no temple, obviously one has to look for a deeper spiritual meaning in these things (which even Jews do to this day).

I don't remember seeing any temples.
Except my body, which is awesome.

 

[HARK!]

Google "three uses of the Law". All shall be revealed. At least from the Protestant side of things

Is that all you can come up with?

Paul presents at least 8 different categories, in his letter to the Romans, alone.

The Law of Faith (Ch 3)
A Different Law (Ch 7)
The Law of My Mind (Ch 7)
The Law of Sin (Sin's Law) (Ch 7)
God's Law (Ch 7)
The Spirit's Law of Life (Ch 8)
The Law of Sin and Death (Ch 8)
The Law of Righteousness (Ch 9)

 

[solid_core]

Agreed.

And also, given that several other "forever" ordinances in the OT can no longer be practiced since there is no temple, obviously one has to look for a deeper spiritual meaning in these things (which even Jews do to this day).

Yep, exactly.

The biblical use of "forever" is mostly about certainity until some profound change, like death of the individual, the coming of messiah, or even simply "till you will obey".

Another interesting place is:

"But if the slave says to you, ‘I will not go out from you,’ because he loves you and your household, since he is well-off with you, then you shall take an awl, and put it through his ear into the door, and he shall be your slave forever. "
Dt 15:17

Forever there simply means that the rule about the limited time of slavery will no longer apply and he can stand for all his life.

 

[solid_core]

...we have died to the law...

We should also add that our law has always been our conscience (being Europeans or originally Europeans), not the Mosaic Law which was given to Israel only.

So Jews like Paul died to the Mosaic Law and we to our conscience law.

Gentile nations have never been under the Mosaic Law.

 

[HARK!]

We can look at these closer, but we have died to the law, and our High Priest has mad His sacrifice and has sat down at His Father’s right hand. There is no further need to observe the ceremonies because those were types and shadows of Christ, and we have Christ. He fulfilled the law.

Yahshua was obedient to his father's instruction. He told us to follow him in his example.

The Moedim pointed to him; and they continue to point to him.

For example Yom Teruah (feast of trumpets) points to the final trump, and the coronation of the King. (one of my favorites)

Here are Yahshua's words:

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

All of the Prophets have not been fulfilled

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall.

Neither heaven nor earth have passed by.

 

[solid_core]

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

All of the Prophets have not been fulfilled

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall.

Neither heaven nor earth have passed by.

No temple, no priesthood, no sacrifices = no Mosaic Law.

I am sure that even you noticed that the Universe still exists but many parts of the Law are no longer even possible to practice, because they need temple, priesthood or sacrifices or all three.

 

[HARK!]

Enter into His rest.

That is another Appointment outlined in Leviticus 23, that many Christians ignore.

New International Version
Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.

 

[HARK!]

No temple, no priesthood, no sacrifices = no Mosaic Law. I am sorry.

I didn't say anything about sacrifices.

BTW, the Levitical Priesthood is an eternal covenant too. They will be making sacrifices in the Millennial Kingdom. So it is written.

Until then, present yourselves a living sacrifice.

 

[solid_core]

I didn't say anything about sacrifices.

So which is it, in your mind:

a) not even one letter from the Law will be dismissed until the universe will last

or

b) sacrifices (many, many sentences from the Law) were dismissed?

 

[HARK!]

No temple

New International Version
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

 

[Hammster]

Yahshua was obedient to his father's instruction. He told us to follow him in his example.

The Moedim pointed to him; and they continue to point to him.

For example Yom Teruah (feast of trumpets) points to the final trump, and the coronation of the King. (one of my favorites)

Here are Yahshua's words:

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

All of the Prophets have not been fulfilled

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall.

Neither heaven nor earth have passed by.

He said the law would be fulfilled before heaven and earth passed away. He fulfilled the law before heaven and earth passed away.

 

[solid_core]

New International Version
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

But this is not what the Mosaic Law says.

You cannot have both in the same time - old ways and new ways.

Its the same with husbands, wife can belong only to one.

 

[HARK!]

So which is it, in your mind:

a) not even one letter from the Law will be dismissed until the universe will last

or

b) sacrifices (many, many sentences from the Law) were dismissed?

Again, the Levitical Priesthood is eternal. They'll be making sacrifices in the Millennial Kingdom.

Please pay attention. I'm getting a lot of responses.

 

[Hammster]

That is another Appointment outlined in Leviticus 23, that many Christians ignore.

New International Version
Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.

But if we have entered His rest, then we should rest because He’s done the work.

 

[Strong in Him]

Ger Toshav (sojourner) weren't required to keep the Moedim. In fact a ger toshav (sojourner) could not keep Passover unless he was circumcised.

I don't know what you're referring to.
And I don't know any Hebrew, so if you keep using words that I don't understand, we won't get very far in this discussion.

Again, those who are in Christ, born again and have eternal life are God's children and not commanded to keep the OT Jewish laws or feasts.

 

[HARK!]

He said the law would be fulfilled before heaven and earth passed away. He fulfilled the law before heaven and earth passed away.

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of THE LAW to fall.

(CLV) Mt 5:17
"You should not infer that I came to demolish the law or the prophets. I came not to demolish, but to fulfill.

(CLV) Mt 5:18
For verily, I am saying to you, Till heaven and earth should be passing by, one iota or one serif may by no means be passing by from the law till all should be occurring.

 

[solid_core]

Again, the Levitical Priesthood is eternal. They'll be making sacrifices in the Millennial Kingdom.

Please pay attention. I'm getting a lot of responses.

Again, there has been no levitical priesthood from the 1st century. God (through Romans) destroyed both temple and Jerusalem and sacrificies, priesthood and temple ended.

Future physical millenial kingdom is just one theological view (requiring literal reading of some places in Revelation and OT) and most probably will not happen at all.