None of These Diseases: I am the Lord who heals you.

[charsan]

That is not the question, stop trying so hard. Nowhere absolutely nowhere does it say everything will always be great when one is a Christian. Really you can post the whole Bible I really don't care you will never find that everything is always wonderful. We are guaranteed eternal life not an easy life and with that I am leaving this unprofitable thread have fun all

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

1 Peter 1:8-9 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
6-9 This means tremendous joy to you, I know, even though you are temporarily harassed by all kinds of trials and temptations. This is no accident—it happens to prove your faith, which is infinitely more valuable than gold, and gold, as you know, even though it is ultimately perishable, must be purified by fire. This proving of your faith is planned to bring you praise and honour and glory in the day when Jesus Christ reveals himself.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

That is not the question, stop trying so hard. Nowhere absolutely nowhere does it say everything will always be great when one is a Christian. Really you can post the whole Bible I really don't care you will never find that everything is always wonderful. We are guaranteed eternal life not an easy life and with that I am leaving this unprofitable thread have fun all

You quoted a post about continual joy, peace and righteousness ,
those things that Ekklesia have daily.
Not that life is a bed of roses.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(52) And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Ghost.--The tense is again that which expresses the continuance of the state. The "joy" expresses what is almost the normal sequence of conversion in the history of the Acts. (See Notes on Acts 8:8; Acts 8:39.)

 

[Rigatoni]

Job certainly didn't have it easy, despite being "blameless and upright" before God.

We can learn to have peace, love and joy in all situations, good and bad. However, I do agree that it's not always sunshine and rainbows. The Christian walk is marked with both hills and valleys. We learn more about God in the valleys then we do on the hills or mountain tops.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Now we have Jesus,

Yes we have a better covenant and a better mediator. So if God healed under the Old Covenant then all the more we can receiving healing under the new covenant. Jesus told us to pray: "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven". We know there is no sickness in Heaven. Everyone is healthy there. So we know that is it God's will for all to be healthy here. Salvation is a plan of redemption and restoration. There was no sickness before Adam and Eve. People did not get old either. They did not age.

We are told By His Stripes we are Healed. Jesus paid the price for us to be made whole.

I spend most of my time in the first three chapters of the Bible. The whole Bible, the whole story is there. Actually the whole story of the Bible is in the very first word of the Bible: Beginning. If we understand the meaning of the Hebrew letters that make up the word: "beginning".

 

[Guojing]

Yes we have a better covenant and a better mediator. So if God healed under the Old Covenant then all the more we can receiving healing under the new covenant. Jesus told us to pray: "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven". We know there is no sickness in Heaven. Everyone is healthy there. So we know that is it God's will for all to be healthy here. Salvation is a plan of redemption and restoration. There was no sickness before Adam and Eve. People did not get old either. They did not age.

We are told By His Stripes we are Healed. Jesus paid the price for us to be made whole.

I spend most of my time in the first three chapters of the Bible. The whole Bible, the whole story is there. Actually the whole story of the Bible is in the very first word of the Bible: Beginning. If we understand the meaning of the Hebrew letters that make up the word: "beginning".

Yep, so if Jesus paid the price, and he declared on the cross "It is finished", let us believe that physical healing is biblical truth, and just like salvation, is given to us because of the faith of Jesus.

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes we have a better covenant and a better mediator. So if God healed under the Old Covenant then all the more we can receiving healing under the new covenant.

Of course we can.
But that doesn't mean that are guaranteed it, that a Christian can never be ill and that it somehow shows a lack of faith if we are.
You may not be claiming those things; some Christians do.

 

[Strong in Him]

Yep, so if Jesus paid the price, and he declared on the cross "It is finished", let us believe that physical healing is biblical truth, and just like salvation, is given to us because of the faith of Jesus.

If that were true then every Christian who was saved would be physically healed and well and a non Christian would be healed as soon as they were saved.
Thousands would believe in Jesus to get good physical health - especially in countries where people have to pay for treatment.

Fact is, some Christians have an illness/disability and are not healed from it in this life. In many cases, this seems to deepen their faith and reliance on God, not erase it. We are not promised a perfect life, we are promised that IN these things, we are more than conquerors, Romans 8:37.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If that were true then every Christian who was saved would be physically healed and well and a non Christian would be healed as soon as they were saved.
Thousands would believe in Jesus to get good physical health - especially in countries where people have to pay for treatment.

Since it is written, and experienced according to the testimony of Ekklesia world wide, it is truth.

Maybe not for thousands, maybe for ten, maybe for a million (the news won't report it)..... How many did Smith Wigglesworth heal? hundreds each large city? Five? , Or even Thousands ? Because Jesus is True.

This also is true >>>

Fact is, some Christians have an illness/disability and are not healed from it in this life. In many cases, this seems to deepen their faith and reliance on God, not erase it. We are not promised a perfect life, we are promised that IN these things, we are more than conquerors, Romans 8:37.

Why? The world is bad. It is full of evil, for thousands of years now.
If some people get healed immediately, they fall away quickly - in a year or two or three, they cannot be found again - they are gone, no longer believing, succumbing to the whims, cares, or influences of secular(wicked) society with multitudes of others ....
So, yes, God Knows What is Best Each and Every Time.

 

[Guojing]

If that were true then every Christian who was saved would be physically healed and well and a non Christian would be healed as soon as they were saved.
Thousands would believe in Jesus to get good physical health - especially in countries where people have to pay for treatment.

Fact is, some Christians have an illness/disability and are not healed from it in this life. In many cases, this seems to deepen their faith and reliance on God, not erase it. We are not promised a perfect life, we are promised that IN these things, we are more than conquerors, Romans 8:37.

Its not easy to accept this, but you have to learn to see your spiritual self.

God sees you in your spirit and your spirit is perfectly healed at this time, just as your spirit is reborn into Christ, after you accept Jesus.

As I have said, the good thing about salvation, why everyone of us finds it easy to believe, is because salvation is almost exclusively spiritual only. We don't have to worry about "seeing salvation", we just take God's word that we are saved.

But as far as God is concerned he sees you healed, just as he sees you saved. For healing, your job is to renew your mind with that biblical truth. Let that truth triumph over the facts that you can see with your eyes.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

As I have said, the good thing about salvation, why everyone of us finds it easy to believe, is because salvation is almost exclusively spiritual only. We don't have to worry about "seeing salvation", we just take God's word that we are saved.

Somewhere it is written that they (our 'group'/ family/ friends/etc) continue to accept us and to be friendly

UNTIL they realize that we serve a Living Elohim (Almighty Creator) Who Requires a Total Life Change ! Then 'they' (our 'group'/ family/ friends/ etc) will TURN ON US, even gnashing teeth, and be our enemies
(because 'they' do not have salvation - they don't seek Yahuweh's Kingdom nor the new life He requires).

When we are immersed in Jesus' Name and our life changes, from the inside out, it is remarkably and very noticeably DIFFERENT from our past, and from our (previous) 'group'/ family/ friends/ etc ,
so outsiders, observers of our lives,
DO SEE the difference - our salvation is SEEN even by strangers to have made a complete difference in our lives.

 

[Guojing]

Somewhere it is written that they (our 'group'/ family/ friends/etc) continue to accept us and to be friendly

UNTIL they realize that we serve a Living Elohim (Almighty Creator) Who Requires a Total Life Change ! Then 'they' (our 'group'/ family/ friends/ etc) will TURN ON US, even gnashing teeth, and be our enemies
(because 'they' do not have salvation - they don't seek Yahuweh's Kingdom nor the new life He requires).

When we are immersed in Jesus' Name and our life changes, from the inside out, it is remarkably and very noticeably DIFFERENT from our past, and from our (previous) 'group'/ family/ friends/ etc ,
so outsiders, observers of our lives,
DO SEE the difference - our salvation is SEEN even by strangers to have made a complete difference in our lives.

I know what you are trying to say. You may feel that way, but when it comes to morality, I don't see it exclusively to Christians. Buddhists for example, can be far more moral than us.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I know what you are trying to say. You may feel that way, but when it comes to morality, I don't see it exclusively to Christians. Buddhists for example, can be far more moral than us.

In the flesh. (world, darkness, wickedness)

If you "know", then you would not promote pagan religions, ever.

 

[Guojing]

In the flesh. (world, darkness, wickedness)

If you "know", then you would not promote pagan religions, ever.

I am saying salvation has nothing to do with your own individual morality.

That is why you cannot "see" salvation with your physical eyes, its purely spiritual

 

[Strong in Him]

Since it is written, and experienced according to the testimony of Ekklesia world wide, it is truth.

The teaching that anyone who is saved is guaranteed good physical health is not true.
There are sick unbelievers who get saved, and still remain sick; good physical health is not given at the same time as salvation, is not guaranteed and is not why Jesus came.
This life, and our bodies, are temporary; Jesus came to reconcile us to God for eternity and give eternal life.

Maybe not for thousands, maybe for ten, maybe for a million (the news won't report it)..... How many did Smith Wigglesworth heal? hundreds each large city? Five? , Or even Thousands ? Because Jesus is True.

Jesus is truth, and Jesus heals - true.
But that doesn't mean that he promises perfect, or even good, physical health to believers.

If some people get healed immediately, they fall away quickly - in a year or two or three, they cannot be found again - they are gone, no longer believing, succumbing to the whims, cares, or influences of secular(wicked) society with multitudes of others ....
So, yes, God Knows What is Best Each and Every Time.

Are you saying that God will only heal someone if he knows they are going to continue to believe in him and not fall away? That God's healing is conditional?
I don't believe that.
That would be implying that his love and grace are also conditional; that he only loves those whom he knows will love him and will only save those who are guaranteed to persevere and not fall away.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The teaching that anyone who is saved is guaranteed good physical health is not true.

So ?

 

[Strong in Him]

But as far as God is concerned he sees you healed, just as he sees you saved. For healing, your job is to renew your mind with that biblical truth. Let that truth triumph over the facts that you can see with your eyes.

Sorry but that doesn't make sense.
I had M.E for 18 years; God healed me, miraculously, 10 years ago.
If as you say, God regarded me as whole the first time I prayed for healing, why did he later remove the symptoms? I was told several times on here, by the W.O.F crowd, that God HAD healed me, I needed to align my faith with that fact and that if I didn't, I wouldn't be healed.
Well I still don't believe it, yet God still healed me.

Never in the Gospels did Jesus say, "You are healed - now you have to renew your mind with that truth and the symptoms will disappear." When he touched a blind man and the man said "I see people, they look like trees walking about", Mark 8:24, Jesus did not say, "that's because your faith's not very strong and you only partly believe you are healed"; he touched the man again, and he could see.

Jairus' daughter had no faith; she was dead, and her parents laughed at Jesus - he still raised her to life again.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There are sick unbelievers who get saved, and still remain sick; good physical health is not given at the same time as salvation, is not guaranteed

Correct. Even staying healed until death is not guaranteed either.

and is not why Jesus came.

See what is written. (about Jesus)

This life, and our bodies, are temporary; Jesus came to reconcile us to God for eternity and give eternal life.

Temporary. Correct. For eternity - Ekklesia - correct.

Jesus is truth, and Jesus heals - true.
But that doesn't mean that he promises perfect, or even good, physical health to believers.

Stick with Scripture.

Are you saying that God will only heal someone if he knows they are going to continue to believe in him and not fall away? That God's healing is conditional?

Read again.
Some people when immediately healed fall away - they do not have enduring faith, and are not or do not remain with Jesus.
If God chooses for any reason not to heal someone immediately (not visibly immediately) ,
His Reason is Perfect.

 

[Strong in Him]

So ?

So if that's what is being said in this thread, it's incorrect.