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Outcome of impeachment

What will be the outcome of Trump's impeachment?

  • Trump is convicted. He flees the country

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • Trump is convicted. He is later pardoned.

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Trump is convicted. He dies in prison.

    Votes: 2 10.0%
  • Trump is not convicted. The Democrats burn down the Senate

    Votes: 11 55.0%

  • Total voters
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The commies - errrr Democrats - in the House know they will never impeach and, even if they did, Trump would not only NOT be convicted in the Senate but the House Dem's lies will become exposed for all to see and they'd lose the House for sure in 2020. Hopefully the public isn't as dumb as the Dems think and they will end up losing the House either way.

That's clearly why they are holding hearings in secret and dribbling a few misrepresented morsels out to their mistresses in the press to disseminate to their blind followers in the liberal public including the liberals here in the Forum.

There is no doubt in any thinking person's mind that everyone know these facts - including Pelosi and even the foolish Trump deranged people here in the Forum.

You all can say til the cows come home that these things are not self evident. But you will only be preaching to the liberal choir and telling lies among yourselves.

Come clean (at least to God) about knowing what's going on and lying about it here . This silly thread has been going on now for several weeks.

Have you no shame?
 
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The commies - errrr Democrats - in the House know they will never impeach and, even if they did, Trump would not only NOT be convicted in the Senate but the House Dem's lies will become exposed for all to see and they'd lose the House for sure in 2020. Hopefully the public isn't as dumb as the Dems think and they will end up losing the House either way.

That's clearly why they are holding hearings in secret and dribbling a few misrepresented morsels out to their mistresses in the press to disseminate to their blind followers in the liberal public including the liberals here in the Forum.

There is no doubt in any thinking person's mind that everyone know these facts - including Pelosi and even the foolish Trump deranged people here in the Forum.

You all can say til the cows come home that these things are not self evident. But you will only be preaching to the liberal choir and telling lies among yourselves.

Come clean (at least to God) about knowing what's going on and lying about it here . Have you no shame?

It amazes me, as someone who has voted for far more Republican Presidential candidates in my lifetime than Democrats (7 Republicans to 3 Democrats), how "blind" Trump supporters are to what is going on. The transcript, despite the lies the right wing press is telling you, very clearly appears to show an illegal act by the President -- even if there was no quid pro quo.

I'm sorry, I fully expect in three or so weeks that the Democrats will start holding open hearings on impeachment. I fully expect, at the end of the process, the House will have Impeached President Trump. The only question, in my mind, is how bad the final evidence will look; I suspect it may be bad enough -- particularly if the majority wanting Trump impeached grows, from a simple majority to something closer to a two-thirds majority -- that Republicans in the Senate may feel they have to impeach Trump.

Even if the Senate does not convict, I doubt the impeachment hearings will help Republicans they way most Trump supporters think it will.
 
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My common sense tells me...

- The House will impeach.
- The Senate will not convict.
- A fed-up public elects a Democrat president. Trump complains mightily about a rigged election, but leaves office.
- Democrats retain control of the House and have a strong chance of gaining control of the Senate.

But then I remember that with Trump involved, common sense gets thrown out the window.
 
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My common sense tells me...
- The House will impeach. - The Senate will not convict. - A fed-up public elects a Democrat president. Trump complains mightily about a rigged election, but leaves office. - Democrats retain control of the House and have a strong chance of gaining control of the Senate. But then I remember that with Trump involved, common sense gets thrown out the window.
Common to what - donkeys?

I've felt for some time that liberals have taken leave of their senses.

This thread is a case in point.
 
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A lot will depend on how he handles himself. Trump has a tendency to become, shall we say, intemperate when challenged. There is no telling what kind of bizarre pronouncements he might make when the heat s really on.
 
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Common to what - donkeys?

I've felt for some time that liberals have taken leave of their senses.

You're a case in point.

I'm not a liberal. When Bill Clinton was impeached, I would have been happy if he had been convicted.

Trump getting impeached by the House is an easy prediction, since the Democrats control the House. Similarly, the Republicans control the Senate, so it isn't likely that Trump will be convicted. Seems like common sense to me.

Considering the way the Democrats won the House last time, the trend is for them to keep it, and make gains in the Senate.

As for Trump losing the election, I may still be underestimating the gullibility of the general public, and I probably shouldn't do that.
 
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Considering the way the Democrats won the House last time, the trend is for them to keep it, and make gains in the Senate.
I see it just the opposite - even with the current overthrow of Trump attempt and the lackey media types' complicity in it.

It's hard for people to see through what is being done by the Democrats given the majority media covering it up. But I believe that the public has about had enough and it's about to backfire on the Dems in a big way in 2020.
Trump getting impeached by the House is an easy prediction, since the Democrats control the House. Similarly, the Republicans control the Senate, so it isn't likely that Trump will be convicted. Seems like common sense to me.
Actually I don't agree that that's an easy prediction. The reason we are seeing this "faux" impeachment charade now is their reluctance to have a real impeachment inquiry for fear that the public will be able to see better through their smokescreen and their selected media leaks.

IMO you are clearly right in saying that the Senate will not convict. In fact, if it were to come to an impeachment trial, the Dems in the House would be extremely lucky to escape an open rebuke by the Chief Justice who presides over such a circus for even letting it get that far.

The reason they are doing what they are doing instead of a regular impeachment inquiry is that they, without exception IMO, realize these facts.

I understand that many Christians dislike Trump and why. What I don't understand is how they can support the killing of babies and the various sexual WOKE things supported by the Dems because of it. Liberal thinking in some areas like government medical provision and border issues that the Dems support - perhaps. But 50,000,000 dead babies and the mutilation of young supposed transgendered boys by their sexually WOKE mother and the grown men showing with little girls - Trumps (pun intended) an affair or two and a strange comb over any time. I would think that any Bible believer would feel the same and act like it in their political stances.

I understand how a seeker, other religion, agnostic, and atheist type can take the Dems side in the attempted overthrow and why they would stand against the moral things desired by the Republicans. I even understand why they would not balk at using the provision of impeachment in a way never intended by the framers of the Constitution in order to overthrow a duly elected president. Heck - as Christians we know that they lack the moral compass that we have and shouldn't be surprised at anything they believe or do.

I even understand that there are some Christians who feel that the end justifies the means and can support what the Dems are doing to Trump. Even though I really can't fathom how they can be in light of the moral issues involved.

I would never say that a "real" Christian can't be a Democrat.

What I can't understand for he life of me in this thread is how any thinking person cannot see and understand exactly what is going on in the House. Actually I think that even the Democrats understand what they are doing.

I understand how those here in the forum coming from a non Christian morality can openly lie about not understanding what is going on or think it is something proper.

But I really can't understand how Christians in a Christian forum can pretend that they don't understand when you and I know that they really do (after all dis-ingenuousness is flat out lying in Christian jargon and in the view of God - even when it's for poiitical reasons).

I don't expect anyone, even Christian Dems, to look at the moral issues involved and change parties. I don't even expect them to stop hating Trump. I don't expect them to quit supporting impeachment ether.

What I expect them to do, at least as a baseline in this thread, is to admit openly that they fully understand that what the Dems are doing with their drawn out faux impeachment inquiry and the shutting out of Republicans and the public so they can dribble out innuendos to the fake new folks - is only for the purpose of undermining Trump in any way they can up until the election and not for a legitimate impeachment.

If a Christian what ever his party affiliation pretends that this charade is anything but that - you are lying in my view and the view of God and you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

At least say it like you know it is.

There is no grounds for impeachment now - just as they was none with the fake Russia "investigation". The house would never vote to impeach if it came to an open debate and vote. The Senate would no convict even if they did. The public would see what the Dems are doing as an abuse of the Constitution and vote them out of office in 2020.

Come on fellow Christians - tell the truth up front at least and then we can have a real conversation in this thread about the truth rather than nonsense.
 
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How about "none of the above?"

A Senate trial would really be a referendum on the integrity of the Republican Party.

Trump is not irreplaceable. In supporting and enabling him, the Republican Party has sacrificed any credibility it may have had prior to 2016.

I pray that there are 20 courageous Republican Senators who are willing to buck their Trump cult voters and stand up for our country and its Constitution.
 
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I understand that many Christians dislike Trump and why. What I don't understand is how they can support the killing of babies and the various sexual WOKE things supported by the Dems because of it. Liberal thinking in some areas like government medical provision and border issues that the Dems support - perhaps. But 50,000,000 dead babies and the mutilation of young supposed transgendered boys by their sexually WOKE mother and the grown men showing with little girls - Trumps (pun intended) an affair or two and a strange comb over any time. I would think that any Bible believer would feel the same and act like it in their political stances.

Please keep in mind that Trump is not the Republican Party. He is one member of it. Removing Trump does not, in fact, remove the Republican Party from the White House. Pence supports your positions on abortion, illegal immigration and LGBT issues quite strongly. Pence would make a fine replacement, as far as I'm concerned.

Trump's positions are closer to my own than someone like Elizabeth Warren, who is too much of a socialist for me. Still, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for Warren over Trump. My assessment of Trump is that he is delusional. I don't base that assessment on liberal spin. I base it mostly on his live speeches, other television appearances, and many, many tweets. I don't want a president like that.

I would probably have voted for any of the other Republican nominees in 2016 over Hillary Clinton, because of her e-mail scandal. I voted for Hillary over Donald because I thought Donald was even more dangerous.

It seems to me that there are many Christians who similarly want Trump out not because of his politics, but because of his behavior, and want to see a better Republican take his place.
 
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Please keep in mind that Trump is not the Republican Party. He is one member of it. Removing Trump does not, in fact, remove the Republican Party from the White House. Pence supports your positions on abortion, illegal immigration and LGBT issues quite strongly. Pence would make a fine replacement, as far as I'm concerned.
While Pence is fine Christian man - and I would support his policies - I think he'd be a weak president compared to Donald Trump.

He would have, IMO, folded like a wet blanket if faces with the things Trump has been faced with.

While Trump certainly has his idiosyncrasies I think he'd go down as one of finest presidents if he could get a fair shake from the other party and the media.
......My assessment of Trump is that he is delusional. I don't base that assessment on liberal spin. I base it mostly on his live speeches, other television appearances, and many, many tweets. I don't want a president like that.
I've seen nothing that convinces me that he's delusional. An egotist and opinionated - yes. But not delusional. Perhaps you could tell me in what exact way you think he's delusional.

IMO - what is delusional is the entire faux investigation of Russia's supposed involvement in the election of 2016 and this current supposed grounds for impeachment.
I would probably have voted for any of the other Republican nominees in 2016 over Hillary Clinton, because of her e-mail scandal. I voted for Hillary over Donald because I thought Donald was even more dangerous.
Trump was not my first choice. But he has proven to be a fine president considering what he has been up against.

I see no more danger in Trumps words and attitudes than I do those of Teddy Roosevelt. They're very similar in many respects IMO.
It seems to me that there are many Christians who similarly want Trump out not because of his politics, but because of his behavior, and want to see a better Republican take his place.
I'm sure there are many Christians, even most, who would love it if Trump didn't have as many idiosyncrasies as he does.

But then we didn't vote for a pastor for our nation. We voted for a strong man who would stand for Christian principles even if he wasn't the finest Christian gentleman who ever lived.
 
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I see it just the opposite - even with the current overthrow of Trump attempt and the lackey media types' complicity in it.

That's nice but I'm not sure what makes "what you see" as important, particularly since you haven't backed anything up with any type of evidence.

It's hard for people to see through what is being done by the Democrats given the majority media covering it up.

That is actually kind of funny. I find Trump supporters have a hard time seeing that what is being done by the White House (and supported by Right Wing media) attempting to cover up? If Trump is so innocent, why is he fighting any release of information? Why is he refusing to release any documents, why is he fighting to not release his tax returns, why is he refusing to allow administration personnel to testify when subpoenaed, etc?

But I believe that the public has about had enough and it's about to backfire on the Dems in a big way in 2020.

The polls are actually showing the opposite right now. At the same time, I do see that many Trump supporters live in an "echo chamber," surrounded by other Trump supporters, and so hear what they want to hear. I guess we'll see what happens in 2020.

Actually I don't agree that that's an easy prediction. The reason we are seeing this "faux" impeachment charade now is their reluctance to have a real impeachment inquiry for fear that the public will be able to see better through their smokescreen and their selected media leaks.

And your "reason" is false, to quote from Rep. Trey Gowdy (a Republican): "The Committee’s preference for private interviews over public hearings has been questioned. Interviews are a more efficient and effective means of discovery. Interviews allow witnesses to be questioned in depth by a highly prepared member or staff person. In a hearing, every member of a committee is recognized—usually for five minutes—a procedure which precludes in-depth focused questioning. Interviews also allow the Committee to safeguard the privacy of witnesses who may fear retaliation for cooperating or whose work requires anonymity, such as intelligence community operatives.

"Both witnesses and members of Congress conduct themselves differently in interviews than when in the public glare of a hearing. Neither have an incentive to play to the cameras. Witnesses have no incentive to run out the clock as long-winded evasive answers merely extend the length of the interview. Likewise, Members have no need to interrupt witnesses to try to ask all their questions in five minutes. Perhaps more importantly, political posturing, self- serving speeches, and theatrics serve no purpose in a closed inter-view and, as a result, the questioning in interviews tends to be far more effective at discovering information than at public hearings. For these reasons, nearly all Executive Branch investigations are conducted in private and without arbitrary time constraints."

IMO you are clearly right in saying that the Senate will not convict.

It is possible but we shall see. Have you noticed how no one from the House or Senate has defended Trump's Ukrainian actions. Instead, they are focusing on how the Democrats are holding the hearings -- they know that Trump's actions are indefensible.

In fact, if it were to come to an impeachment trial, the Dems in the House would be extremely lucky to escape an open rebuke by the Chief Justice who presides over such a circus for even letting it get that far.

And this is completely false, just wishful thinking on your part.

The reason they are doing what they are doing instead of a regular impeachment inquiry is that they, without exception IMO, realize these facts.

It will be interesting to see if you come back and admit you were wrong, when the House has open impeachment hearings in a month or so.

What I can't understand for he life of me in this thread is how any thinking person cannot see and understand exactly what is going on in the House. Actually I think that even the Democrats understand what they are doing.

It's easy, they know the law and can accurately apply it to Trump's actions.

I understand how those here in the forum coming from a non Christian morality can openly lie about not understanding what is going on or think it is something proper.

But I really can't understand how Christians in a Christian forum can pretend that they don't understand when you and I know that they really do (after all dis-ingenuousness is flat out lying in Christian jargon and in the view of God - even when it's for poiitical reasons).

I don't expect anyone, even Christian Dems, to look at the moral issues involved and change parties. I don't even expect them to stop hating Trump. I don't expect them to quit supporting impeachment ether.

What I expect them to do, at least as a baseline in this thread, is to admit openly that they fully understand that what the Dems are doing with their drawn out faux impeachment inquiry and the shutting out of Republicans and the public so they can dribble out innuendos to the fake new folks - is only for the purpose of undermining Trump in any way they can up until the election and not for a legitimate impeachment.

Because, again, your premise is wrong. It is not a "faux impeachment inquiry;" I understand you personally (as well as a few others here) have problems understanding that and can't seem to bring yourselves to admit that anything Trump does is improper, much less illegal. However, what you can't understand does not change reality.

Additionally, in no way are Republicans shut out. They have (from the count I remember used here previously) 49 Republicans in the hearing, Republicans get equal time to ask questions, etc. More to the point, the rules being used are the same rules Republicans implemented in 2015 -- are you saying that Republicans were being openly partisan when they were investigating the Obama Administration and held "faux" hearings? Of course, Republicans did admit those hearings were specifically held to hurt Democratic chances in the 2016 elections -- but I'm guessing you didn't care when they admitted that.

If a Christian what ever his party affiliation pretends that this charade is anything but that - you are lying in my view and the view of God and you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

So you are calling me a liar? Beyond being false, that is a violation of forum rules. Not to mention, you are bearing false witness, since you claim I'm lying in the view of God. He knows better, since I'm not lying.

At least say it like you know it is.

There is no grounds for impeachment now - just as they was none with the fake Russia "investigation". The house would never vote to impeach if it came to an open debate and vote.

Again, will you come here to admit you are wrong when the House votes to Impeach?

The Senate would no convict even if they did. The public would see what the Dems are doing as an abuse of the Constitution and vote them out of office in 2020.

Come on fellow Christians - tell the truth up front at least and then we can have a real conversation in this thread about the truth rather than nonsense.

Okay, the simple Truth is that Trump asked a foreign leader to help his private lawyer, in a private investigation to help Trump's campaign, investigate a political opponent-- which is clearly against the law. If Trump supporters were honest, they'd at least admit they'd be calling for a Democratic President to be impeach if he/she did anything close to this.
 
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Trump is not convicted the Democrats Loose the Presidency, House and Senate in 2020 and a number of Obama era lackey's end up in jail.
Y'all still waiting to lock up Hillary !?!
 
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As much as I hate to say it, the best is impeachment with him being pardoned. And him going quietly away.

But then this is Trump....
I don’t think anyone believes he’d going to do so quietly. Whatever happens, Trump is going to be complaining about it until the day he dies.
 
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Y'all still waiting to lock up Hillary !?!
It is funny how so many Trump supporters have this weird fantasy that Trump is going to put all these people they view as crooks in jail, despite doing literally nothing towards that in his time in office - except when one of them became a possible political opponent, anyway.
 
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It is funny how so many Trump supporters have this weird fantasy that Trump is going to put all these people they view as crooks in jail, despite doing literally nothing towards that in his time in office - except when one of them became a possible political opponent, anyway.

He is pretty good at asking people to do something illegal and then offering to pardon them later, isn't he?
 
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Partisan politics in all this is ridiculous. ............. .
I agree - 3 or 4 years of this stuff is enough. Throw the Democrats out of the House in 2020 and let's get on with governing the nation.:)
So, just wait and see if the elections get hacked again?
I don't believe that the Democrats would try the same stuff again like they did in 2016 and beyond.

Americans are sick of it.
 
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That's just silly.
What possible evidence could anyone provide for something that hasn't happened yet. Even God couldn't do that.

Oh, so we agree that you were wrong when you stated, "the current overthrow of Trump attempt?" There is nothing in the portion that was a response to that is allegedly occuring in the future.

Trump release every document called for by the legitimate special council.

That is quite a weasely claim and doesn't address what I asked, at all. Even with the Special council there are multiple instances, fully documented in the Mueller Report, that Trump tried to obstruct the investigation. And, regardless of your personal feelings or beliefs, this has been ruled by the courts to be a legitimate impeachment hearing; so no, Trump hasn't released anything close to what has been called for.

His tax returns are not part of the supposed inquiry.

No, they aren't but they are part of other lawsuits against the President and, despite being told to turn them over he is still refusing and trying to fight their release in the courts. Of course, it makes sense that he is trying to hide them since it appears he committed fraud -- either to get loans from banks for to reduce his tax burden -- having different financial reports for banks, that maximized his earnings, and another for his taxes, that showed minimal earnings or even losses.

He doesn't have to allow people who are part of his administration to testify to the congress in general.

This would appear to be false -- though Nixon did try it. I'm guessing it won't work any better for Trump than it did for Nixon, it will merely lead to an Obstruction charge in the Articles of Impeachment.

He certainly doesn't have to when it comes to a gutless one sided faux impeachment inquiry.

Again, it is not one sided and, as noted above, the courts have ruled it is a legal and valid impeachment hearing. As I explained previously, there are 49 Republicans that participate in the Impeachment proceedings and they get equal time to ask questions. It would appear whatever source you are using to get news is lying to you.

That is correct.
I agree with that completely. I'm all for it.

Let's have interviews where the entire committee can be a part of it. Let's not lock the other party out and dribble false impressions of what went on in the secret hearings out to a bias press.

Again, no party is "locked out" -- Republicans on the committee are free to participate on an equal basis. Anything you read that Republican's on the committee are not free to ask questions is a lie.

Again - I agree. Let the House vote for an official impeachment inquiry and we can get the facts out on the table.

And there will be a vote by the full House, when the investigation phase is largely completed -- just as with other impeachment hearings. With Nixon, the committee investigated impeachment charges for around 6 months before the full House voted on impeachment and they held open hearings. With Clinton, the investigation was done by Ken Starr, as an Independent Prosecutor, and as such there was no House investigation.

Why don't we let the Impeachment process play out; allow the House to get all the facts, then allow them to proceed based on the facts found.

Is it possible that you have been sleeping since this whole thing started? More likely you have just been sucking up the pabulum spooned out by the bias fake new folks.

No, I haven't been sleeping and I use a wide variety of news sources. Perhaps you have just been "sucking up the pabulum spooned out" by the fake White House and Republican claims?

They have defended by many Republicans.

No, not really, which is why they are stooping to tactics, such as storming the hearings a few days ago -- just pure publicity stunts and keep talking about "fake impeachment hearings." They can't object to the substance of the charges, since the whistleblower report seems to have largely been proven true. So, they have to object to anything and everything else, "fake" and "one sided" hearings, "no vote by full House", etc.

What is not defensible is the one sided faux impeachment hearing that is going on behind closed door.

Again, what "one sided faux impeachment hearing?" As I've repeatedly stated, Republicans get equal time to ask questions -- in fact, the rules being used are the ones Republicans created during their investigations into the Obama administration. Again, as I asked before, are you claiming the Republicans held "one sided faux hearings" into the Obama administration?

Last, once again, it has been ruled by the courts that this is a valid (not faux) impeachment hearing.

By all means let's have Adam Schiff and the so called whistle blower give us a full rundown on the time line of events involving them and tell us where the lawyer came from who prepared the so called whistle blower complaint.

I'm guessing it will happen eventually; though the evidence I've seen, so far, suggest you'll be very disappointed. The evidence to this point shows that a staffer of Rep. Schiff was approached by the whistleblower, that whistleblowers frequently approach staff members of Congressmen to report things. As in pretty much all cases, the evidence suggests the staffer told the whistleblower to make a report, per whistleblower policy, and submit it to the IG.

The evidence, so far, appears to support the whistleblowers claims. As such, I'm not sure what how such an investigation would help Trump.

I'm all for open to both sides hearing with questions from all quarters.

And when it goes to the full House, as well as the trial in the Senate, that is what will happen. In the meantime, both Republicans and Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee are asking questions.

The Dems know exactly what would happen eve if you don't.

Ignoring the typo, I'm not quite sure what you mean to be implying here.

You're living in a dream world.

Personal attack noted; though it is said when you have to resort to personal attacks it is because you can't defend your claims.

Unless you are delusional or simply taken in by the fake new folks - then you are not telling the truth if you say you can't see the other side of things.

I think you're too intelligent to be telling the truth as you know it to be.
What planet have you been living on? You need to get out more and get some input from someone other than your limited and bias sources.

Ignoring more personal attacks, I read several sources from various viewpoints. I'd suggest you are the one that needs to listen to more viewpoints, and not just biased sources.

You're simply spouting liberal talking points.

No, I'm looking at the evidence and saying what I can see, combined with my knowledge of government and law.

There is no election going on. There isn't any political opponent involved any more than if Trump had asked for an investigation into the activities of the FBI or the CIA or even Nancy Pelosi associated with Ukraine. Neither party has even selected it's candidate yet for any future election. There haven't even been any primaries.

You realize that both Biden and the President are both declared candidates for President, with the necessary documentation submitted to the FEC? As such, they are political opponents, particularly since Biden, at the time, was the leading Democrat that many thought would win the nomination.

You ignore the fact that candidates from the opposing party, particularly when they have no real competition for their party's nomination, will try to find ways to promote or hurt a campaign in the opposite party?

Last, Trump himself has proven he believes Biden is his political opponent -- which is why the weekend after the whistleblower report was made public, Trump's campaign spent millions on TV ads attacking Biden. I'm sorry, there is just no denying that Trump sees Biden as a political rival, one looking to "take his job."

The transcript is there for all to see. The Dems know what would happen if they impeached on those grounds.

I believe that you do as well and you're being disingenuous to put if politely.

I know what the transcript shows, combined with Trumps action (such as never having the US government open an investigation, including never telling Barr to call Ukraine). I know we've had the White House Chief of Staff basically confirm there was quid pro quo, telling people to "get over it." I also know the opening statement by Bill Taylor was strong evidence of abuse of power by Trump.
 
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