Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

[ViaCrucis]

Otherwise, Heaven would be filled with riff raff.

Never heard of the Gospel I take it.

"Truly, I say to you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes go into the kingdom of God before you."

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Disclaimer: I'm nothing more than a complete noob when it comes to things like this, but decided to do my best at examining the grammar and syntax here.

There's no pronouns in the text. The word is לְמִינָהּ l'mynah. The word myn means "kind" or "sort", the lamed prefix makes the word prepositional, "of" or "to", and the suffix heh functions similar to the English suffix -ward. Hence the translation "after its kind" or "after their kind" or "after his kind". The pronoun is added in translation for the ease of English speakers.

Whatever gobbledy-nonsense butchering of the text you're trying to accomplish here is, and always has been, beyond absurd.

The only reason I'm even bothering responding to this post is to maybe provide some semblance of reason.

-CryptoLutheran

I've had that conversation with @Aman777 before, hence my post #2359. He has no response other than "But the KJV says it, so it must be right."

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

God his His Truth in Genesis from those who do not believe Him and reject His Truth. Otherwise, Heaven would be filled with riff raff.

If you meant 'God hides His Truth...' you should note that your statement is absurd; if non-believers reject 'His Truth', then it clearly isn't hidden. If God hides 'His Truth' then non-believers can't reject it. You've invented an oxymoronic version of GWIMW (God Works In Mysterious Ways).

In any case, it doesn't resolve your problem - Genesis is either not in agreement with science, or it's not literal.

 

[Aman777]

We've already had this discussion several times.

For example, everything you claim about "Adam's world/firmament/whatever" has no scientific support nor even any apparent Biblical support.

It seems to be little more than an invention of your fervent imagination. Even other creationists don't agree with you.

Ancient theology has been teaching false religious views to people for thousands of years now. That's why some people here, find it so easy to prove these views wrong scientifically. When you show these people that their long held religious views are not written in Genesis, it scares them. They don't know whether you are a Mormon or JW or some other religious group.

Most Christians remain quiet but follow along. Some, even become my friends over time because they can clearly see that I support what I write with Scripture. In many years online, I can say that I have NEVER had a problem with a Bible believing Christian.

 

[Aman777]

Aman777 said: ↑
Humans were a Special Creation, formed on the 3rd Day Genesis 2:7 by the Hands of Jesus, with a mind and perfect body like that of God. When Adam sinned, he found himself in a body like the sons of God, who were prehistoric people who were created from water on the 5th Day. Genesis 1:21

I thought you said your view was entirely consistent with science, cause this...is...not. even. close.

Sure it is. Adam was made before the Big Bang, which today's Science is totally ignorant of. I cannot help it if they are unable to read and understand Genesis which tells of some 9 Billion years BEFORE the BB. They should get busy and learn of Humankind's true origins.

Prehistoric people first appeared in Water, on Adam's Earth and the present Earth on the 5th Day, 3.8 Billion years ago in the Last Universal Common Ancestor. God calls them the sons of God and they were NOT Humans. (descendants of Adam) These people could however, become Human by marrying and having children with Humans. Genesis 6:4 This produced the Nephilim or today's modern Humans.

In this manner, God spread Humanity over planet Earth in only 11k years, since it was Noah's grandsons marrying and having children (Nephilim) with prehistoric people. Today, there are some 7.7 Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) living on planet Earth. God's way changed a million prehistoric people into the Billions of living Humans today. God's Truth is the Truth in every way.

 

[Aman777]

Repeat after me: "And God said, Let the earth bring forth"

We don't need any more than that to refute your claim.

To whom was God the Trinity speaking? Was it His Son YHWH/Jesus? Of course it was and Jesus took the ground and molded it into the common ancestors. Did you think God just poofed living creatures into being? Notice also that Adam, who was made 2 Days earlier, named the creatures Jesus made.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Jesus IS LORD.

 

[Aman777]

Disclaimer: I'm nothing more than a complete noob when it comes to things like this, but decided to do my best at examining the grammar and syntax here.

There's no pronouns in the text. The word is לְמִינָהּ l'mynah. The word myn means "kind" or "sort", the lamed prefix makes the word prepositional, "of" or "to", and the suffix heh functions similar to the English suffix -ward. Hence the translation "after its kind" or "after their kind" or "after his kind". The pronoun is added in translation for the ease of English speakers.

Whatever gobbledy-nonsense butchering of the text you're trying to accomplish here is, and always has been, beyond absurd.

The only reason I'm even bothering responding to this post is to maybe provide some semblance of reason.

-CryptoLutheran

God tells us that His people have NONE understanding. Why do you study the thoughts/theology of people who called for the crucifixion of our God?

Jer 4:22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

God also tells us that only the people of the last days before Jesus returns have the "increased knowledge" to understand Scripture:

Dan 12:4 ¶ But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[Aman777]

I've had that conversation with @Aman777 before, hence my post #2359. He has no response other than "But the KJV says it, so it must be right."

Birds of a feather with a Christian? How can I refute your agnostic views now?

The KJV is the most read of any other version and therefore, a more correct interpretation since it is the one picked out by God Himself, unless you can refute that historic Truth.

 

[ViaCrucis]

God tells us that His people have NONE understanding. Why do you study the thoughts/theology of people who called for the crucifixion of our God?

So God's people don't understand anything, and studying what the Bible actually says is bad. Therefore just believe what you say because God decided that Aman777 is the only person to have ever walked the earth to understand the real occult secrets hidden in the Bible. Simon Magus and Basiledes would be proud.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

The KJV is the most read of any other version and therefore, a more correct interpretation since it is the one picked out by God Himself, unless you can refute that historic Truth.

How silly. Everyone knows that the Bible picked by God is the 1539 Tavener's Bible. Unless you can refute this historical truth. Can you? Didn't think so.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Aman777]

If you meant 'God hides His Truth...' you should note that your statement is absurd; if non-believers reject 'His Truth', then it clearly isn't hidden. If God hides 'His Truth' then non-believers can't reject it. You've invented an oxymoronic version of GWIMW (God Works In Mysterious Ways).

In any case, it doesn't resolve your problem - Genesis is either not in agreement with science, or it's not literal.

I meant God hid His Truth from unbelievers since only the people of the last days have the increased knowledge to understand Scripture. Genesis is God's Literal Truth which means that the supposed scientific truth of today needs to be corrected.

This is because the Author of Scripture is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, who moved the men who penned the words of the Bible, from inside them, to write God's Truth. 2Pe 1:21 Only those with the Holy Spirit to guide them can understand what He wrote. That's God's Truth. 1Co 2:14

 

[Aman777]

So God's people don't understand anything, and studying what the Bible actually says is bad. Therefore just believe what you say because God decided that Aman777 is the only person to have ever walked the earth to understand the real occult secrets hidden in the Bible. Simon Magus and Basiledes would be proud.

-CryptoLutheran

The only reason to listen to me is that my view of Genesis agrees in every way with recently discovered Scientific Facts, which is what God told Daniel would happen in the last days before Jesus returns. Daniel 12:4 See if you can explain HOW these recently discovered scientific facts got into Genesis:

Can anyone explain HOW a man, who lived 3k years ago, KNEW and correctly wrote these recently discovered scientific facts:

1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water on the 5th Day. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/s...-ancestor.html Jul 25, 2016

2. Genesis 2:4 shows that the big bang was on the 3rd Day and Genesis 1:16 shows that it was the 4th Day before the first Stars were made. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...-born-big-bang Feb 28, 2018 - The first stars lit the cosmos by 180 million years after the Big Bang,

3. Chromosone 2 fusion shows that Adam, the first Human was first made, long before plants, herbs, rain, trees, or any prehistoric person. Genesis 2:4-7

4. Genesis 6:4 shows HOW to make a modern Human by mixing the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Humans (Adam's descendants). This is so successful that we now have some 7.7 Billion living Humans (descendants of Adam) on planet Earth.

5. Genesis 1:1 correctly shows that Water was not created but came forth from Heaven or air.

That's God's irrefutable Truth. Amen?

 

[pitabread]

Scripture. Genesis is God's Literal Truth which means that the supposed scientific truth of today needs to be corrected.

I thought you claimed that Scripture is in agreement with science. If science needs to be 'corrected' then clearly they can't be agreement.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I meant God hid His Truth from unbelievers since only the people of the last days have the increased knowledge to understand Scripture. Genesis is God's Literal Truth which means that the supposed scientific truth of today needs to be corrected.

OK; so Genesis doesn't agree with science, and so requires science to change. That's the logical opposite of what you were saying earlier.

 

[Aman777]

I thought you claimed that Scripture is in agreement with science. If science needs to be 'corrected' then clearly they can't be agreement.

Like everything, Science is both correct and incorrect. Over the eons, scientists have learned to not prove anything but instead, to make knowledge changeable. This scotches them from criticism by their opponents. Scripture is in total agreement with True Science, which is recognized as fact and is repeatable. Scripture also shows that the false ToE is not true either Scripturally, scientifically, historically, genetically nor mathematically. In the end, everyone will see the ToE as nothing but descent with modification with it's name changed.

 

[Aman777]

OK; so Genesis doesn't agree with science, and so requires science to change. That's the logical opposite of what you were saying earlier.

Do the math. The big bang of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day/Age. Genesis 2:4
We live today at the end of the present 6th Day/Age at Genesis 1:27.

3 Days to God equals 13.8 billion years in man's time. Divide 3 into 13.8 billion and you find that each Day/Age is some 4.6 billion years in man's time. Believe it or not, many do not know that today is the last Day/Age of the creation. EVERY man lives and dies on the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, according to Jesus. 2Co 6:2 and Isa 49:8.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The only reason to listen to me is that my view of Genesis agrees in every way with recently discovered Scientific Facts,

Well then I guess that's a good reason not to listen to you.

Amen?

No.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Bungle_Bear]

To whom was God the Trinity speaking? Was it His Son YHWH/Jesus? Of course it was and Jesus took the ground and molded it into the common ancestors. Did you think God just poofed living creatures into being? Notice also that Adam, who was made 2 Days earlier, named the creatures Jesus made.

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Jesus IS LORD.

But you claim that Genesis agrees with science that all animals came from water. How do you account for these animals that were formed from the earth?

You refute your own ridiculous claims but you can't even see it!

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Birds of a feather with a Christian? How can I refute your agnostic views now?

You don't get it, do you? I've demonstrated in a previous thread that there is no His/Their/Its in Hebrew and that those pronouns were inserted by translators. Your whole exegesis is based on a meaningless linguistic quirk.

The KJV is the most read of any other version and therefore, a more correct interpretation since it is the one picked out by God Himself, unless you can refute that historic Truth.

While the American masses might reach for KJV, biblical scholars use the NRSV. Do you know why?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Do the math. The big bang of our Cosmos was on the 3rd Day/Age. Genesis 2:4
We live today at the end of the present 6th Day/Age at Genesis 1:27.

3 Days to God equals 13.8 billion years in man's time. Divide 3 into 13.8 billion and you find that each Day/Age is some 4.6 billion years in man's time. Believe it or not, many do not know that today is the last Day/Age of the creation. EVERY man lives and dies on the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, according to Jesus. 2Co 6:2 and Isa 49:8.

So here you are saying that a Genesis day is not literally a day, but an age, of 4.6 billion years.

You arrive at this figure by dividing the scientifically obtained age of the universe by 3. So your biblical exegesis agrees with science in that respect because, far from requiring science to change, it depends on scientific results.

Your every post contradicts the last.