Neanderthals, Dinosaurs?

[ilovejcsog]

Mine, of course. What does that have to do with Neanderthals and dinosaurs?

You are doing exactly the same thing that got Yeshua banned. So stop it now and admit you are wrong about evolution and the amount of time God spent creating everything.

Jeff got banned from this thread? I hope not as he has a right to his opinion.

 

[joshua 1 9]

God created the SUN on the fourth day. Where was the light before it coming from?

God created the Sun before the Earth or very close to the same time. You really should do a little research.

 

[GodLovesCats]

God created the Sun before the Earth or very close to the same time. You really should do a little research before you give bad information out to people.

Tell that to Jack. He is the one trying to follow Yeshua's hand steps by insisting there is no way fossils we have known about for millenia can exist.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Jeff got banned from this thread? I hope not as he has a right to his opinion.

His username changed color. That means he was banned from the whole forum.

It is not for having the wrong opinion, but derailing the thread with outright lies.

 

[GodLovesCats]

So does anyone have undisputable proof that all scientists are wrong about the ages of fossils, rocks, and other natural things God created before Adam? Meaning scientific proof, not just vague words in a book that we all know does not specify a number of years in Chapter 1. Until then, I will keep asking for it. I will wait.

 

[Ronald]

Everything is disputable, so, I guess not.

 

[Lost4words]

I truly believe in God. I truly love God.

Genesis is not a science manual. It does not explain God's creation in detail at all. It is set out as a brief 'story' of the steps of the Earth's birth. Nothing more.

God has given us people with clever minds. People who have delved into God's wonders and brought forth knowledge of nature.

 

[The Righterzpen]

If there is no death, there are no fossils. And we all know there are tons of fossils around the world.

There was obviously death before there was sin. Look at all of the species that became extinct: including, of course, dinosaurs.

What if the fossils came about because of Noah's flood? There was certainly sin in the days of Noah!

Do you know that it takes a very specific set of circumstances to create a fossil? You need a lot of dirt, a lot of water and a lot of pressure in a short period of time. Archeology has been able to figure out what happened to cause this catastrophic flood. Apparently a meteor hit the earth. Evidence of a layer of meteor dust exists in a very specific place in the fossil record around the globe. All the dinosaurs can be found in rock layers below that thin layer of meteor dust. No dinosaurs are found in the rock layers above that thin layer of meteor dust. Matter of fact; I believe most fossils are below that layer of meteor dust.

That meteor hit what would become the crater of the Gulf of Mexico. When that happened, the land mass of earth was all one continent. Scientists call it Pangea. The mountains of earth were a lot smaller than the mountains we see today because much of what we see today is from the tectonic plates crashing into each other. When Pangea existed, on the other side of the planet was what would become the Pacific Ocean. Once the continents began to divide, this is where we get the Atlantic Ocean from.

The Bible says the continents divided in the days of Paleg. Genesis 10:25

Now if one wants to contend that Pangea was prior to humans; than how did that information about the earth dividing get into Genesis? Moses (who lived about 1500 years before Christ) penned (or organized / over saw) the first 5 books of the Bible. That verse speaks of something that humans didn't really understand until thousands of years later. How would Moses have actually known these huge masses of land were moving?

There's another reference in Job 30 (the first 8 verses roughly where it speaks of the time when men were "driven from among them to live in the cliffs of the valleys, the caves of the earth and the rocks". There's also what I believe is a reference to the post flood ice age that also speaks of men living in caves.

 

[The Righterzpen]

So does anyone have undisputable proof that all scientists are wrong about the ages of fossils, rocks, and other natural things God created before Adam? Meaning scientific proof, not just vague words in a book that we all know does not specify a number of years in Chapter 1. Until then, I will keep asking for it. I will wait.

You can actually figure out the age of the planet by the Genealogies in Genesis. If you line of the patriarchs ages "end to end" you get an Earth that is about 13000 years old at this point. This "jives" with carbon 14 decay, which is only accurate to about 10 thousand years.

And besides this, not all scientists believe this planet is billions of years old.

There have been human bones found in coal seams. (How's that happen?)

There have been human and dinosaur tracks found in the same rock bed. (How's that happen?)

There were clams some scientists carbon 14 dated and the tests told them these clams were billions of years old - but.... these claims were alive!

There was a fish scientists believed had been extinct for millions of years; and someone found a live one in a fish market. (I believe it was in France) That happens actually quite frequently. (Finding living examples of species thought to be extinct.)

Neanderthals have the same cubic skull capacity and the same internal skull drainage pattern as modern man. Yet they had obvious orthopedic differences and some scientists claim different DNA. Were they like that because they had a genetic disease?

What if say.... "a million years from now" someone dug up skeletons of people with Down's Syndrome. They also have obvious orthopedic and anatomical differences; plus a different genetic structure. (They have an extra chromosome.) Would any of us today say a person with Down's Syndrome must be some other species? Of course not. We know they have a genetic mutation.

No known "gene mutation" has ever proven to be beneficial to the organism that has it. So why would we believe that some other species "evolves" because of genetic mutations? That argument does not make sense when all the evidence we have point to genetic mutations being detrimental to the organism who has them.

We have to learn to think critically about some of these questions to actually be able to see the truth.

 

[ilovejcsog]

His username changed color. That means he was banned from the whole forum.

It is not for having the wrong opinion, but derailing the thread with outright lies.

I am sure he didn't think he was lying so it was somebody else's opinion that he lied. To bad.
I doubt they would ban someone for their opinion. Probably because there was too much arguing.

 

[Dropout_Theologian]

What's your views on this topic?

I could see humans cohabitating with dinosaurs, violently at some points. I seriously think the Bible would indicate that dragons and giant lake monsters exist during/after our time, so it's not too much of a stretch. I was told one theory where Noah's flood removed much of the radiation shielding in the atmosphere; it would explain why creatures wouldn't grow so large and live so long. And as to selection for the ark, there's the theory of kinds: groups of animals represented by one ancestor.

 

[joshua 1 9]

No, it did not take 6 billion years

The larger the star the shorter its lifespan. Our Sun is a medium-sized star and is expected to have a total life span of about 10 billion years. When it started fusing hydrogen about 4.6 billion years ago and has been gradually brightening since birth.

 

[mindlight]

Was there anything prior to Genesis?

No

Were there Dinosaurs and where do they fit in?

yes before flood some long lived reptiles grew very large. Mainly killed off by flood. Survivors did not work out after flood

Were there Neanderthals and where do they fit in?

They share our DNA, just another kind of human being that have since died out. The human genome is quite adaptable.

 

[Ronald]

God created the SUN on the fourth day. Where was the light before it coming from?

God is light, what a concept.

 

[JackRT]

This "jives" with carbon 14 decay, which is only accurate to about 10 thousand years.

Actually it is quite good to 40 - 50,000 years.

 

[Ronald]

There were no Biblical days before the sun was created. All days must be astronomical (the Earth rotating on its axis in 23 hours, 56 minutes). This is why we should not assume the Creation happened in six days based on our definition of the word.

No, a day began to exist when the earth was created and there was nothing else. It rotated once as you said, in 23 hours and 56 minutes. God created the light on the first day and notice the Bible says the night as well. Combining the light and the darkness in one full day. Take a good look at Genesis 1:4 & 5 to see if you can understand what one day is?

 

[Neogaia777]

This:

Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?

God Bless!

 

[JackRT]

You can actually figure out the age of the planet by the Genealogies in Genesis. If you line of the patriarchs ages "end to end" you get an Earth that is about 13000 years old at this point. This "jives" with carbon 14 decay, which is only accurate to about 10 thousand years.

And besides this, not all scientists believe this planet is billions of years old.

There have been human bones found in coal seams. (How's that happen?)

There have been human and dinosaur tracks found in the same rock bed. (How's that happen?)

There were clams some scientists carbon 14 dated and the tests told them these clams were billions of years old - but.... these claims were alive!

There was a fish scientists believed had been extinct for millions of years; and someone found a live one in a fish market. (I believe it was in France) That happens actually quite frequently. (Finding living examples of species thought to be extinct.)

Neanderthals have the same cubic skull capacity and the same internal skull drainage pattern as modern man. Yet they had obvious orthopedic differences and some scientists claim different DNA. Were they like that because they had a genetic disease?

What if say.... "a million years from now" someone dug up skeletons of people with Down's Syndrome. They also have obvious orthopedic and anatomical differences; plus a different genetic structure. (They have an extra chromosome.) Would any of us today say a person with Down's Syndrome must be some other species? Of course not. We know they have a genetic mutation.

No known "gene mutation" has ever proven to be beneficial to the organism that has it. So why would we believe that some other species "evolves" because of genetic mutations? That argument does not make sense when all the evidence we have point to genetic mutations being detrimental to the organism who has them.

We have to learn to think critically about some of these questions to actually be able to see the truth.

This post contains quite a bit of misinformation. These claims and a great many others are addressed in a huge data base to be found at
An Index to Creationist Claims

I will take one of your claims as an example. You said "There have been human bones found in coal seams. (How's that happen?)".

Claim CC131:
In 1912, Frank Kennard, an electric plant worker, broke apart a large lump of coal, and an iron cup fell from the center, leaving a cast of the pot in the coal. The coal came from the Wilurton Coal Mines and is about 295 million years old, from the Mid-Pennsylvanian.
Source:
CEM Online. n.d. The iron cup in coal. http://www.creationevidence.org/museum_tour/ironpot/ironpot.html
Response:

1. The evidence in support of the claim is so weak as to be scientifically useless. The only evidence is a letter from 1948, thirty-six years after the artifact was discovered. The letter says that the coal was not found in situ but went through an unknown amount of processing between the mine and the discovery of the iron cup after the coal was delivered.
   
   
2. The cup appears to be cast iron, and cast iron technology began in the eighteenth century. Its design is much like pots used to hold molten metals and may have been used by a tinsmith, tinker, or person casting bullets. Without the original pot to analyze, we cannot say exactly how it was used.
   
   
3. The cup was likely dropped by a worker either inside a coal mine or in a mine's surface workings. Mineralization is common in the coal and surrounding debris of coal mines because rainwater reacts with the newly exposed minerals and produces highly mineralized solutions. Coal, sediments, and rocks are commonly cemented together in just a few years. It could easily appear that a pot cemented in such a concretion could appear superficially as if it were encased in the original coal. Or small pieces of coal, including powder, could have been recompressed around the cup by weight.

 

[GodLovesCats]

God is light, what a concept.

God does not have a beginning. He is eternal. So if He says, "Let there be light," and then the light exists some physical creation must be that light. Therefore Genesis 1:3 would seem to be a verse that shouldn't be interpreted literally, just like any verse that uses the word "day" in the same chapter.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Mainly killed off by flood.

90% did not survive. Crocodiles and Turtles were a part of the 10% that did survive. They still live a long life and they continue to grow to become very big.