So with a change in selection pressures, monkeys could give rise to different humans?

[Ophiolite]

Thanks for recognizing that I do realize what evolution teaches.

No. I did not so recognise. You grasp tiny fragments of the theory that you distort, misinterpret, misunderstand and misrepresent in order to promote your bizarre interpretation of scripture which remain unsupported by any other CF member thus far.

Show us the physical process which confirms the insertion of God's superior intelligence into the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes.

Show me that such a thing as God's superior intelligence exists without recourse to a faith based argument. (I fully accept faith based arguments as valid for the individual, but like most airline tickets they are not transferable.)

The ToE is false, Scripturally, scientifically, historically, genetically and mathematically. Choose one of the above and I will refute (prove wrong) the false teachings of the ToE.

The Theory of Evolution has nothing to do with Scripture. It is not allied to history, though it has a history. Those two avenues are irrelevant.

So, go ahead and refute the theory scientifically. Please keep in mind this will require you to provide evidence sourced from peer reviewed research published in reputable journals, or included in textbooks by recognised experts in the field. Failure to provide such evidence will demonstrate you have not offered a scientific argument.

 

[Gottservant]

This is quite crazy.

I am just saying what you need is context, for Evolution; context comes from asserting the bias (that Evolution establishes).

If you can't assert the bias, you can't conduct the experiment!

 

[Shemjaza]

This is quite crazy.

I am just saying what you need is context, for Evolution; context comes from asserting the bias (that Evolution establishes).

If you can't assert the bias, you can't conduct the experiment!

Can you explain what you mean by "asserting the bias".

The only context you need for evolution is reproduction with imperfect inheritance and variable reproductive success.

 

[RDKirk]

I'm just taking the assertion, at face value.

If monkeys can evolve humans, different monkeys can evolve different humans.

It's like the most basic interpretation, you can imagine?

Monkeys didn't evolve humans. Monkeys are modern forms just as humans are.

 

[RDKirk]

Evolution only travels one direction.

To say that "evolution only travels one direction" is to say that evolution has a self-determined direction...which it does not.

It's not totally impossible for evolution to repeat a form, but that would take an incredibly improbably series of both environments and genetic dice-rolls. And if it did manage to repeat a form, that doesn't mean the same incredibly improbable series of environments and genetic dice-rolls would bring it back again to a later form.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I noticed that you dodged the question of HOW and WHEN mindless Nature and long periods of time and zillions of mutations, lined up just one time, which can never be repeated again, since it so random, Apes can NEVER again magically change into reasoning Humans. That's not cute especially since our children are being brainwashed in Elementary School to believe such a Fantasy even as we post. There is no evidence to support that view and that's why you posted what you did.

Can anyone post of this mysterious process which places God's superior intelligence into the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes?

There was no change. You are still an ape.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Better than "yes" and "no", but I still think its a religious response.

Zen buddhists used the word "Mu", is that the same thing you mean? Both times?

Helpful hint:

You cannot refute that which you do not understand.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This is quite crazy.

I am just saying what you need is context, for Evolution; context comes from asserting the bias (that Evolution establishes).

If you can't assert the bias, you can't conduct the experiment!

Just... please, try and actually learn what the theory of evolution actually says. Please.

 

[Ophiolite]

There was no change. You are still an ape.

It's odd isn't it? Many people would regard that as a profound insult, whereas others - such as myself - happily wear it as a badge of honour.

 

[Aman777]

Humans are animals, and other animals are capable of causal, analogical, and inferential reasoning.

False. Humans are the descendants of Adam, who was made with an intelligence like God's. Genesis 3:22 Adam sinned and was changed into flesh, exactly like that of prehistoric people, who evolved from the last universal common ancestor.

Today's Humans are a combination of prehistoric people AND Adam. Genesis 6:4 Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over all innocent animals. Genesis 1:28 That prophecy will NOT be fulfilled until Jesus returns to this Earth. That's God's Truth.

 

[Aman777]

It's odd isn't it? Many people would regard that as a profound insult, whereas others - such as myself - happily wear it as a badge of honour.

Not me, since it means giving up my immortality, hope and future. Humans are destined to rule ALL other living creatures. We shall say to that mountain be moved and it will move. We will live forever in paradise with Jesus. What else do you want? Would you rather live your future as an Ape?

 

[Ophiolite]

Not me, since it means giving up my immortality, hope and future. Humans are destined to rule ALL other living creatures. We shall say to that mountain be moved and it will move. We will live forever in paradise with Jesus. What else do you want? Would you rather live your future as an Ape?

I am an ape. So are you. No protestations on your part will change that.

Destined to rule all other creatures? We appear to think that rule equates to "drive to extinction or exploit".

 

[Aman777]

There was no change. You are still an ape.

Speak for yourself. I am a child of God.

 

[Aman777]

I am an ape. So are you. No protestations on your part will change that.

Destined to rule all other creatures? We appear to think that rule equates to "drive to extinction or exploit".

False, since NO Apes post. It's because they don't have the superior intelligence which Humans are born with. We INHERITED our intelligence from Adam. Genesis 3:22

BTW, to have God's dominion or rule, we must be good stewards of the innocent creatures which were created from water as Genesis 1:21 plainly states. Can you tell us HOW ancient men, who you suppose wrote Genesis, got that one correct? I don't really expect an answer so I will explain. It's evidence of the Literal God since NO man, who lived 3k years ago, could have possibly known that recently discovered scientific Fact. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/.../behold-luca-last-universal-common-ancestor-life...

 

[Paulos23]

False, since NO Apes post. It's because they don't have the superior intelligence which Humans are born with. We INHERITED our intelligence from Adam. Genesis 3:22

I thought we where done with your little idea, since you haven't shown when the big leap was. We are cousins with the apes. We are descended from the same ancestors. Your insistence on an Adam from another dimension requires extraordinary evidence which I haven't seen from you yet.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

False. Humans are the descendants of Adam, who was made with an intelligence like God's. Genesis 3:22 Adam sinned and was changed into flesh, exactly like that of prehistoric people, who evolved from the last universal common ancestor.

Today's Humans are a combination of prehistoric people AND Adam. Genesis 6:4 Humans are destined to have dominion or rule over all innocent animals. Genesis 1:28 That prophecy will NOT be fulfilled until Jesus returns to this Earth. That's God's Truth.

Empty assertions unsupported by, and generally contradicted by, objective evidence.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

False. Humans are the descendants of Adam, who was made with an intelligence like God's. Genesis 3:22 Adam sinned and was changed into flesh, exactly like that of prehistoric people, who evolved from the last universal common ancestor.

False. We became gods Genesis 3:22 ...the man is become as one of us....
We won't get into who "us" is, but it clearly says man became a god. I just proved you wrong scripturally.

"That's God's Truth."

 

[Aman777]

I thought we where done with your little idea, since you haven't shown when the big leap was. We are cousins with the apes. We are descended from the same ancestors. Your insistence on an Adam from another dimension requires extraordinary evidence which I haven't seen from you yet.

History records the arrival of the first Human (Noah) on this Earth 11k years ago in Lake Van, Turkey. He walked down from the mile high Lake into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia and began farming in order to eat. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Noah was NOT like the prehistoric people who also lived around the area but he knew them, because they also existed on Adam's small Earth, which was totally destroyed in the flood. 2Pet3:6 Prehistoric people evolved from the last universal common ancestor who appeared in liquid water 13.8 billion years before Noah was born. Genesis 1:21

Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Human women to marry. They married and produced children with the prehistoric women who had been on this planet for millions of years before Adam's firmament arrived. Genesis 6:4 calls them the sons of God and because they were innocent, assured of Heaven. No so with the Humans (descendants of Adam) who had arrived on this Earth from a world which was UNDER water. Genesis 1:6-8

Adam's firmament/Heaven was "clean dissolved" in the flood. Isaiah 24:19 The present Cosmos will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 Christians will be taken to the 3rd Heaven of ll Corinthians 12:2 and Revelation 21:1 to live forever with Jesus. That is God's Truth which agrees with every other discovered Truth.

 

[Paulos23]

History records the arrival of the first Human (Noah) on this Earth 11k years ago in Lake Van, Turkey. He walked down from the mile high Lake into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia and began farming in order to eat. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Noah was NOT like the prehistoric people who also lived around the area but he knew them, because they also existed on Adam's small Earth, which was totally destroyed in the flood. 2Pet3:6 Prehistoric people evolved from the last universal common ancestor who appeared in liquid water 13.8 billion years before Noah was born. Genesis 1:21

Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Human women to marry. They married and produced children with the prehistoric women who had been on this planet for millions of years before Adam's firmament arrived. Genesis 6:4 calls them the sons of God and because they were innocent, assured of Heaven. No so with the Humans (descendants of Adam) who had arrived on this Earth from a world which was UNDER water. Genesis 1:6-8

Adam's firmament/Heaven was "clean dissolved" in the flood. Isaiah 24:19 The present Cosmos will be burned. ll Peter 3:10 Christians will be taken to the 3rd Heaven of ll Corinthians 12:2 and Revelation 21:1 to live forever with Jesus. That is God's Truth which agrees with every other discovered Truth.

Lots of claims, no evidence.

You are ignoring the tools that where made before then, the hunting and hurding. The gathering and the organization of tribes for that. In short, you are picking one development, claiming it is not possible for the humans of the era to discover it without outside help, and ignoring all the other developments they would have had, but dont know much about because they didn't settle in one spot for long.

Also, you can claim there was no humans if Noah's sons married woman. If they where from another dimension, I would be amazed that they are similar enough to breed, much less breath our air and eat our food.

You are making a big claim on scant evidence.

 

[Aman777]

False. We became gods Genesis 3:22 ...the man is become as one of us....
We won't get into who "us" is, but it clearly says man became a god. I just proved you wrong scripturally.

"That's God's Truth."

Not so, since you didn't include the meaning of the entire verse. Here it is;

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God (Jesus) said, Behold, the man (Adam) is become as one of Us, (Trinity) to know good and evil:

Adam did NOT become God but came to know both good and evil which is one of God's traits. Unless you know both good and evil, you cannot judge or be judged.

and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

IF Adam could have eaten of the tree of Life AFTER he sinned, mankind would have lived in sin forever. Notice also, the difference between Adam and prehistoric people. Adam was made with the intelligence of God and prehistoric people lived for millions of years before they also became the descendants of Adam. (Humans) Adam FARMED with no millions of years of "evolution". Amen?