Evangelicals Are Supporting Trump Out of Fear, Not Faith

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There were more than a dozen Republican candidates in 2016. Christians voted for Trump in the primaries. Face it, you guys wanted this immoral jerk more than the other candidates.

And you seriously think that Trump’s sins are on par with Mike Huckabee or Rick Santorum?
First, I didn't vote for Trump. I voted for the third party Mormon that no one remembers now. But, I understand why people voted for him, even though they had reservations. I never understood how he became the candidate. I would have preferred almost any of the other Republicans, Carson being my first choice.
 
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How's that choice for honesty working out for you?
I didn't vote for him myself, but I was glad he won over Hillary. It was a lot more than just honesty. I have agreed with a lot of his moves and I'm quite sure I would have agreed with hardly any of hers. I remember the first Clinton presidency and it was one corruption after another. Trump has a big mouth and I can't listen to they guy without flinching, but he at least acts like a conservative, even if it's only because that's what got him elected. I said from the beginning, that the best we can hope for with him is that he does the right thing for the wrong reasons.
 
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I never understood how he became the candidate.
They have been wanting a business man rather then a politician for a long time. Starting with Ross Perot back in the 90's but they could not handle the heat of the political arena. Trump was the first that could handle all of the attacks. I think that people think he is good for the economy and that is all they really care about. The voters want people working and being productive.
 
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the evangelical church is called to be a source of light in a darkening world. It is not given the luxury of fear-based decisionmaking. Indeed, of all the groups in American life who believe they have the least to fear from American politics, Christians should top the list. The faithful should reject fear.

This is made plain to young Christians from the early days of Sunday school. There, many millions of young believers are taught the biblical verse: “For God gave us not a spirit of fear but of power and love and self-control.”

But in 2016, something snapped. I saw Christian men and women whom I’ve known and respected for years respond with raw fear at the very idea of aHillary Clinton presidency. They believed she was going to place the church in mortal danger.
The Christian writer Eric Metaxas wrote that if Hillary won, America’s chance to have a “Supreme Court that values the Constitution” will be “gone.” “Not for four years, not for eight,” he said, “but forever.”


That wasn’t faith speaking. They were the words of fearful men grasping at fading influence by clinging to a man whose daily life mocks the very values that Christians seek to advance.

But why? The American evangelical church isn’t so weak that it needs Trump’s version of secular salvation.David French: Evangelicals Are Supporting Trump Out of Fear, Not Faith

That article states the state of affairs with the evangelical church with Trump. It's not the first time I saw this and saw this during the Bush presidency. A lot of evangelicals then I recalled believed that Bush was right to invade Iraq due to the belief Saddam having weapons of mass destruction and he harboured al terrorists who were part of 9/11. Here is the link to the evangelical support for Bush in the case for war in IraqLooking back at conservative evangelicals' support for the Iraq War | Faith | Dallas News
Interesting point about the Iraq War, that went very badly. When I learned how the church in Iraq had suffered as a consequence (and this was before ISIS came about, which made it much worse), I repented of supporting it. Fast-forward to 2016. There's Hillary Clinton, who supported that war, and who supported the intervention in Libya, and who supported tough talk on Syria which served as a factor in setting off the civil war there, who is an unapologetic proponent of a "stir the pot" foreign policy that disrupts peace rather than makes it, is the Democratic nominee. I cannot in good conscience support her. Donald Trump is an unknown quantity on foreign policy. Am I going to vote for the devil I know, when I know I can't stop her? No, I won't.
 
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Of course they are important, but again, the other option was a woman who made a career out of lying. I don't think Trump is more sinful than most politicians, his sins are just more obvious.

Donald Trump use to claim he was a publicist and would use fake names to brag about himself.

Donald Trump masqueraded as publicist to brag about himself

Donald Trump's Long, Strange History of Using Fake Names | Fortune

Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are well known and well documented for the lies they tell. If they are both guilty of perpetually lying, then which one of them is the lesser of two evils again?

Hillary Clinton:

Hillary Clinton's long list of lies

All False statements involving Hillary Clinton

Hillary’s New — Ever Lengthening — List of Lies

Donald Trump:

Lyin' Donald: 101 Of Trump's Greatest Lies

All False statements involving Donald Trump

Trump averaged 15 falsehoods a day in 2018
 
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Donald Trump use to claim he was a publicist and would use fake names to brag about himself.

Donald Trump masqueraded as publicist to brag about himself

Donald Trump's Long, Strange History of Using Fake Names | Fortune

Both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are well known and well documented for the lies they tell. If they are both guilty of perpetually lying, then which one of them is the lesser of two evils again?

Hillary Clinton:

Hillary Clinton's long list of lies

All False statements involving Hillary Clinton

Hillary’s New — Ever Lengthening — List of Lies

Donald Trump:

Lyin' Donald: 101 Of Trump's Greatest Lies

All False statements involving Donald Trump

Trump averaged 15 falsehoods a day in 2018
I never said Trump was an honest man. I don't believe he has always been honest. I think he was a better choice than Hillary, more likely to be pro life and so on.
 
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The voters want people working and being productive.
It is well established that Trump isn’t a typical business guy. He has always run his organization like an organized crime syndicate. That’s not what most Americans want. IMHO
 
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Interesting point about the Iraq War, that went very badly. When I learned how the church in Iraq had suffered as a consequence (and this was before ISIS came about, which made it much worse), I repented of supporting it. Fast-forward to 2016. There's Hillary Clinton, who supported that war, and who supported the intervention in Libya, and who supported tough talk on Syria which served as a factor in setting off the civil war there, who is an unapologetic proponent of a "stir the pot" foreign policy that disrupts peace rather than makes it, is the Democratic nominee. I cannot in good conscience support her. Donald Trump is an unknown quantity on foreign policy. Am I going to vote for the devil I know, when I know I can't stop her? No, I won't.
Pssst..... Hillary isn’t running.
 
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I never said Trump was an honest man. I don't believe he has always been honest. I think he was a better choice than Hillary, more likely to be pro life and so on.

Trump's personal history on the abortion issue doesn't exactly show him to be genuinely pro-life.


He was a pro-choice liberal before he started pandering to his conservative Christian supporters to appease them. As a matter of fact, he still supports abortion in the cases of rape and incest.

Trump shifted from pro-choice to pro-life only as he planned a presidential run

Trump supports abortion in cases of rape and incest, opposing Alabama’s new law

He has also flip-flopped on the abortion issue several times since he was elected.

Donald Trump's 3 positions on abortion in 3 hours

Donald Trump took 5 different positions on abortion in 3 days
 
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I was taught that Christians are to be the light of the world. Somewhere along the line, some prominent evangelical leaders decided the Great Commission was secondary to preserving America.

As I keep saying: Jesus is not their way of life, Jesus is just their gang sign.
 
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Interesting point about the Iraq War, that went very badly. When I learned how the church in Iraq had suffered as a consequence (and this was before ISIS came about, which made it much worse), I repented of supporting it. Fast-forward to 2016. There's Hillary Clinton, who supported that war, and who supported the intervention in Libya, and who supported tough talk on Syria which served as a factor in setting off the civil war there, who is an unapologetic proponent of a "stir the pot" foreign policy that disrupts peace rather than makes it, is the Democratic nominee. I cannot in good conscience support her. Donald Trump is an unknown quantity on foreign policy. Am I going to vote for the devil I know, when I know I can't stop her? No, I won't.
I remember people of faith from the US believed that the Christians in Iraq will be saved with the US lead military invasion and saw him as a tyrant and persecutor of Christians. I also remember visiting webpages of people of faith who claimed the war in Iraq was against evil, and the US were the good ones and it will be a crusade. I didn't support the war from the beginning and even before the war I that the war will not end well, just like Israel invasion of Lebanon in the 1980s. Israel then strived to get rid of the PLO out of Lebanon and that worked but their invasion brought forward the terrorist group Hezbollah, which has caused major problems for Israel, even to this day and to the US.

It was a mistake to bring Hillary as the Democratic nominee. Lybia intervention was proved to be a disaster. What the hell were the Us thinking of the US getting involved in Syria civil war?
 
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Think back to your own "locker-room" days. You ever brag about things about girls that never happened? Well, most of the rest of us did.
Please stay away from me along with the rest of you.
 
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What the heck does the capital of Israel have to do with evangelical Christian doctrine?

Or are you talking about the procedural nonsense with respect to how he imagined a 2/3 majority vote?
Some evangelicals believe that the state of israel, and especially the building of the third temple is neccessary to usher in the end of the world and are trying to help move along the timetable.
 
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That’s not what most Americans want.
If that is not what they want then why did they elect him? The Bush family campaigned against him, Obama and his wife campaigned against him, the Clinton's campaigned against him and he defeated all three of the former presidents that had been elected to office.
 
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especially the building of the third temple
They do not actually have to build the temple. They just need to be in control of the temple mount. They can set up a tent and begin the sacrifices within 24 hours, they are all geared up and ready to go. The priests are trained, they have all the vessels and they have the sacrifices. They are ready to begin to build the temple. They have tried but they were chased off.
 
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They do not actually have to build the temple. They just need to be in control of the temple mount. They can set up a tent and begin the sacrifices within 24 hours, they are all geared up and ready to go. The priests are trained, they have all the vessels and they have the sacrifices. They are ready to begin to build the temple. They have tried but they were chased off.
Yes, and a lot of evangelicals can't wait for them to get started so the end of the world can finally begin.
 
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