Moon light - the word of God vs falsely so called science

[Kylie]

The problem is in taking scripture too literally. There is more to God's written word than just black and white.

Unfortunately, there is no reliable way to tell.

 

[Kate30]

When I said "not geographical," I meant that the focus is not on "all the continents of the world," but on "all the kingdoms of the world."

Also that the text is not making any kind of geographical statement, nor is it suggesting that "all the kingdoms of the world" are visible to ordinary human vision from any specific mountain.

Radagast if you were to visit one of the dynasty’s of China of that time and say to one of emperors that theirs was not a kingdom of this world than I think chop chop for you : ) The passage is referring to any part of the world be that of continents, islands or wherever a kingdom may abound. That’s a bit like saying for God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son. Was this verse only referring to Christians of a certain geographical location? Surely not . Continents or kingdoms they are both intertwined How do you seperate?

 

[Radagast]

The passage is referring to any part of the world be that of continents, islands or wherever a kingdom may abound.

Well, that rules out the continent of Antarctica, for example. Only penguins there, no kingdoms.

See what I mean?

 

[Kate30]

The problem is in taking scripture too literally. There is more to God's written word than just black and white.

Lost4words that black and white bible has remained one of the best selling books even before all the extra colours came along though I do prefer mine as standard black and white . As to taking things literally. Yes the word is still in the dictionary and thank goodness for that. Sometimes there are no in betweens in life its either black or white. But not always as you have said.

 

[Kate30]

Well, that rules out the continent of Antarctica, for example. Only penguins there, no kingdoms.

See what I mean?

And now you have upset the kingdom of the penguins too . : ) Radagast wherever human kingdoms dwell geographically at the time: And that does cover a lot of places. I really don’t know why you would leave all those other kingdoms out. Any other reason why it should not be referring to all earthy kingdoms of that time.

 

[tas8831]

The amount of light is proportional to the illuminated area of the moon.

Well yes I know, but those implying that the moon makes its own light have some 'splainin to do.

 

[Lost4words]

Unfortunately, there is no reliable way to tell.

Look at Revelation. Do you take evey word literally?

 

[Tom 1]

Unfortunately, there is no reliable way to tell.

Well, there's always the outlandish notion of 'finding things out'. The bible is a book, in the first instance, written by people in particular times and places, with particular ways of thinking and seeing the world, part of or part of creating particular traditions. There is a great deal that can be found out about the time periods, styles of writing and what can be known or inferred from that, and so on, and so on. The idea that the bible just exists in a vaccuum and the only option is to take random guesses isn't accurate.

 

[A_Thinker]

If the sun and moon are thousand and millions of miles out in space. what does a cloud have to do with the sun not being able to shine on the moon.

That is because the sun and moon are locally above the earth. So a cloud can block out the sun over the whole earth. But still i do not believe just because the sun is blocked out, that is the reason the moon will not give light.

The scripture cited is a prophecy to the nation of Egypt ... not the whole world.

 

[Radagast]

I really don’t know why you would leave all those other kingdoms out.

But I didn't!

I was quite explicit: "all the kingdoms of the world."

Any other reason why it should not be referring to all earthy kingdoms of that time.

Of course it was referring to all earthy kingdoms of that time. Why would you think I was saying anything else?

 

[Radagast]

There is a great deal that can be found out about the time periods, styles of writing and what can be known or inferred from that, and so on, and so on.

True. Although some of the speculation about the time of writing isn't all that reliable.

 

[Kylie]

Look at Revelation. Do you take evey word literally?

I'm an atheist. What do you think?

But you missed my point, which was that there is no reliable way to tell if a part of the Bible is meant literally or figuratively.

 

[Kylie]

Well, there's always the outlandish notion of 'finding things out'. The bible is a book, in the first instance, written by people in particular times and places, with particular ways of thinking and seeing the world, part of or part of creating particular traditions. There is a great deal that can be found out about the time periods, styles of writing and what can be known or inferred from that, and so on, and so on. The idea that the bible just exists in a vaccuum and the only option is to take random guesses isn't accurate.

Unfortunately, it is often difficult if not impossible to find information to support the claims made in the Bible.

 

[Tom 1]

Unfortunately, it is often difficult if not impossible to find information to support the claims made in the Bible.

Yes, that is true. What the discussion was about though is how to interpret the text.

 

[Lost4words]

I'm an atheist. What do you think?

But you missed my point, which was that there is no reliable way to tell if a part of the Bible is meant literally or figuratively.

I disagree

 

[Tom 1]

True. Although some of the speculation about the time of writing isn't all that reliable.

True. That doesn’t necessarily have much impact however, perfect or comprehensive knowledge of a particular time period isn’t necessary to give an overall picture of general trends, preoccupations, ways of thinking that help to provide some context and comparison with the biblical texts.

 

[Radagast]

Unfortunately, it is often difficult if not impossible to find information to support the claims made in the Bible.

Well, after the point at which solid evidence becomes available (somewhere around 1000 BC), most of the historical claims are consistent with the archaeological and historical record.

 

[Kylie]

I disagree

Do you disagree that I'm an atheist?

Or do you disagree that my point was that there's no reliable way to tell if a passage from the Bible is meant literally or figuratively?

In either case, it's a bit arrogant for you to think you can tell me what I mean by what I say.

 

[Radagast]

True. That doesn’t necessarily have much impact however, perfect or comprehensive knowledge of a particular time period isn’t necessary to give an overall picture of general trends, preoccupations, ways of thinking that help to provide some context and comparison with the biblical texts.

But there's also the danger if misreading the text based on uncertain theories about the time of writing.

Speculation about "ways of thinking" is even worse.

 

[Lost4words]

Do you disagree that I'm an atheist?

Or do you disagree that my point was that there's no reliable way to tell if a passage from the Bible is meant literally or figuratively?

In either case, it's a bit arrogant for you to think you can tell me what I mean by what I say.

I disagree that one cannot tell if a passage can be taken literally or figuratively.