ICR Acts and Facts

[nolidad]

Great another pointless quote. It was nice of you to add an exclamation mark though, it sounds much more dramatic!

Well you just crow with delight when you can mine a creationist supporting evolution, and then howl as fake when an evolutionist being Captain Obvios and showing an enormous problem ofBB/Evolution.

Is it supposed to be some sort of surprise to us that the origin of DNA is unknown? Davies is setting up the question of how it emerged and then goes on to discuss how we might investigate the answer. So what?

Cause He is admitting the principle of cause and effect. No effect can be greater than its cause! And life can never spring from non life!

 

[nolidad]

Hey, I counted at least five things wrong with that statement.

But rest assured that you have managed to convince me that the grand atheistic supertheory of evolutionism that you envision is FALSE, and everyone who believes in it is wrong. Fortunately, it doesn't exist in science, and no real person believes that it's true, so no worries there.

Well they have to! They may not be able to explain it but if they are a secular evolutionist they believe in
1. The big bang
2. The formations of matter and chemicals
3. The formation of cosmic bodies
4. Then life sprung up from these prior events.

Like it or not- they own this for this is the only conclusions they can come to!

 

[Speedwell]

Well you just crow with delight when you can mine a creationist supporting evolution, and then howl as fake when an evolutionist being Captain Obvios and showing an enormous problem ofBB/Evolution.



Cause He is admitting the principle of cause and effect. No effect can be greater than its cause! And life can never spring from non life!

Todd Wood does not support evolution, and no one has claimed he did or used his quotes to prove it.

 

[nolidad]

I think it would be interesting to explore the history of YECism and fundamentalism in America in general. Given the regional nature of such beliefs, there seems to be a strong cultural component to them.

I can give you about a 1,000 WORD HISTORY AND SUMMATION. Church History and the history of what is called dispensation and scientific biblical beliefs is a fairly strong study of mine. But it does need to be global.

 

[nolidad]

Todd Wood does not support evolution, and no one has claimed he did or used his quotes to prove it.

Well you guys say he supports common ancestry. So unless he is going to surprise all with a new take on that phrase- it normally means Darwinian Evolutoin.

 

[Speedwell]

Well you guys say he supports common ancestry. So unless he is going to surprise all with a new take on that phrase- it normally means Darwinian Evolutoin.

Can you show us where one of "us guys" said that?

 

[Speedwell]

I can give you about a 1,000 WORD HISTORY AND SUMMATION. Church History and the history of what is called dispensation and scientific biblical beliefs is a fairly strong study of mine. But it does need to be global.

Why? The YEC movement is largely confined to the United States.

 

[pitabread]

Well you guys say he supports common ancestry.

Nobody said that. What I quoted was that Todd Wood recognizes that the theory of evolution is a legitimate scientific theory, that it is useful and that there is a lot of evidence to support it.

That is not the same thing as claiming he supports common ancestry or that he is not a creationist. Those were your claims.

 

[Brightmoon]

Hey, I counted at least five things wrong with that statement.

But rest assured that you have managed to convince me that the grand atheistic supertheory of evolutionism that you envision is FALSE, and everyone who believes in it is wrong. Fortunately, it doesn't exist in science, and no real person believes that it's true, so no worries there.

when I first became aware( 1980s)that creationists actually existed I was shocked . When I started reading their complaint essays about science , the only thing I could think of was ‘ Oh ,no wonder ! ‘ because of the silly straw man arguments mixed with threats that they came up with . Nolidad has obviously seen those silly incoherent straw man arguments

 

[Brightmoon]

Noli this is just for you. You don’t misstate your opponents position and then try to refute by using the misstatements

 

[Jimmy D]

I am sorry, but taking a pelvis that fits together by itself, and then cast it and swa the cast down to your opinion is dishonest

Wrong. That’s the point, it wouldn’t have worked in it’s crushed state.

Lovejoy knew a deer crushed th epelvis to fit perfectly milliopns of years ago? How!

A deer, where did he say that?

It didn’t fit perfectly, it was misshapen. But so what?

And how is Denton being dishonest. By questioning why a paleo- takes a pelvis that fits together- has to reconstruct5 it to fit his idea?
If YEC did this- it would have been screamed globally from the rooftops

Because that’s not what happened, keep up.

A YEC wouldn’t do it, because it they very rarely do anything apart from writing dishonest articles.

But there’s an important point that renders your and Menton’s quibbling invalid, as you would know if you bothered doing any research before parroting the arguments of dishonest creationists.

“Owen Lovejoy’s reconstruction of this joint is consistent with the anatomy of other undistorted australopithecine pelves, such as Sts 14”

That’s right, Lovejoy’s reconstruction has been shown to be correct by subsequent intact Australopithecene pelvis discoveries.

 

[Jimmy D]

So then we must toss aside all the quotes yoyu placed from scientists and papers then as useless.

No, scientific papers or articles are fine if the information presented can be verified.

Kirscner is an evolutionist- He was just honest enough to realize that expert biologists can be so without having any beliefs in origns. the history of biology has proven that.

He is a biologist who accepts evolution, so it is suspicious that he would say such a thing. It is also suspicious that this article appears not to exist on line, apart from that snippet on some apologetics site, if you want to hang your hat on it though good luck to you.

 

[Jimmy D]

Well you just crow with delight when you can mine a creationist supporting evolution

I don’t believe I’ve done such a thing.

nd then howl as fake when an evolutionist being Captain Obvios and showing an enormous problem ofBB/Evolution.

I didn’t howl, behave yourself. I don’t disagree with What Davies said.

Cause He is admitting the principle of cause and effect. No effect can be greater than its cause! And life can never spring from non life!

Of course he never actually said that did he?

 

[Jimmy D]

Well you guys say he supports common ancestry. So unless he is going to surprise all with a new take on that phrase- it normally means Darwinian Evolutoin.

He doesn’t. Your reading comprehension needs a bit of work. He is just honest enough to admit that there is plenty of evidence for common descent, even though he rejects it on religious grounds.

 

[Jimmy D]

A.Afar was a knuckle walker! New evidence: Lucy was a knuckle-walker - creation.com

These fists were made for walking : Nature News

LOL....

Creation.com.... Lucy was a knuckle walker!

“But did australopithecines like Lucy walk upright? Careful study of the skeletal anatomy of australopithecine fossils indicates a stooped gait, probably similar to the ‘rolling’ knuckle-walk of chimps.”


Creation.com.... Lucy was bipedal!

“Here I present the fossil evidence for bipedality in australopithecines. The pelvic anatomy of several australopithecines are examined and compared to extant apes and humans to determine their posture and locomotor ability. It can be shown that australopithecines did in fact walk upright”



It seems that they can’t make up their minds, it’s almost as if she was somehow transitional between the two.

 

[Yttrium]

when I first became aware( 1980s)that creationists actually existed I was shocked . When I started reading their complaint essays about science , the only thing I could think of was ‘ Oh ,no wonder ! ‘ because of the silly straw man arguments mixed with threats that they came up with . Nolidad has obviously seen those silly incoherent straw man arguments

I know people who have no problem with an old Earth, but who can't handle evolution. I don't mind that so much. I didn't run into YEC types until I started hanging out in internet forums in the 2000s.

I do try to understand where they're coming from. They firmly believe in a certain literal interpretation of Genesis. Given the interpretation, the evidence in nature should point to it. For scientists to conclude otherwise, they must all be part of a grand conspiracy against Christians (despite many of those scientists being Christians). So all the modern scientific theories they dislike get bundled together as part of a rival philosophy to young Eartherism.

It's a fairly straightforward kind of logic, but it leads to a completely absurd conspiracy theory.

I do get laughs out of their articles, though. Dinosaurs dying from drought in the 17th century. Heh.

 

[nolidad]

LOL....

Creation.com.... Lucy was a knuckle walker!

“But did australopithecines like Lucy walk upright? Careful study of the skeletal anatomy of australopithecine fossils indicates a stooped gait, probably similar to the ‘rolling’ knuckle-walk of chimps.”


Creation.com.... Lucy was bipedal!

“Here I present the fossil evidence for bipedality in australopithecines. The pelvic anatomy of several australopithecines are examined and compared to extant apes and humans to determine their posture and locomotor ability. It can be shown that australopithecines did in fact walk upright”



It seems that they can’t make up their minds, it’s almost as if she was somehow transitional between the two.

Well I guess they can join evolutionists then. Large swaths call Lucy nothing but an extinct ape.

and then the acolytes of JOhansen say she is the branch off between men and apes. Well after Lovejoy was dun sawing the model of Lucy's pelvis to get rid of original material- she went from a knuckle walker to upright!

 

[nolidad]

He doesn’t. Your reading comprehension needs a bit of work. He is just honest enough to admit that there is plenty of evidence for common descent, even though he rejects it on religious grounds.

I may have muffed it a bit! there are like 5 of you and only one of me. I do teh best I can with the time I have. After July 2nd I am retired and can devote more time here.!!!

 

[lasthero]

Well I guess they can join evolutionists then. Large swaths call Lucy nothing but an extinct ape.

That’s not true.

 

[nolidad]

Why? The YEC movement is largely confined to the United States.

YOu are terribly wrong on that. CRS has thousands of signatories from over 100 hundred countries!