I think you misunderstand. I am not saying that people read the Bible and expect result X and then don't get it.
I'm saying that people read the Bible and get result A, result B, result C, result D, result E, and so on.
What are these different results? I will need some examples that you are aware of but in the mean while lets try it out.
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@Speedwell, God bless you my brother in Jesus. What result or conclusion did you get from reading Bible?
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@AV1611VET, what conclusion or result did you reach?
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@2PhiloVoid, what conclusion or result did you reach?
They may not wish to participate, If not we may have to try others.
This doesn't happen when we examine something real. Going back to my water example, if I weight 10,000 cubic centimeters of water and get result X, anyone else who weighs 10,000 cubic centimeters of water should also get the same result.
Would you call this an absolute certainty?
Would you say that when anyone reads the Bible, The God of Abraham cannot exist because a consenus cannot be acheived with a uniform conclusion as to what God wants and who He is?
When i first read the Bible as a young man came to this conclusion very easily and with no confusion
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these twocommandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truthand the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Dont steal, murder, worship any other Gods - dragons that live in backyards included - disrespect parents, bear false witness, make idols, keep sabbath holy, take the Lords name in vain, commit adultery and dont be envious of your neighbour.
God created the earth and the universe.
I mention these as a starting point. What different result did you get?
No, we are talking about results, and I'm saying that the different branches of Christianity ARE the different results of people reading the Bible and not finding any objective truth.
Im pentecostal, i attend a Methodist church and our church has a relationship with many other denoms. Most denoms are united on what matters, Jesus is the Son of God who was born, died and ressurected.
I put you under oath by the living God to tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God!” (Matthew 26:63)
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
2 cor 5:18
"I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
Gal 2:20
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
1cor 12:13
This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain--if indeed it was in vain?read more.
Gal 3:2-5
For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church
1 cor 4
This is the objective truth. Are you suggesting these words are too complicated for anyone to come to a firm conclusion?
I dont know if you noticed but humans always find a way to disagree. Even in the same political parties and clubs. A persons ability to understand words and cultural aspects of a historical society - and document - does not mean theres is no objective truth in the Bible.
Kylie - "They got different branches of Christianity and started killing each other because of it."
I assume you are referring to Protestant and Catholoc issues or the mormon wars? What point would you like to make here?
Who is jesus christ and what will you do?
Also i would like to point out that since the beginning of the early church they were had gnostics - and such others - who were claiming Jesus and interpreting teachings in their own way.
If anyone comes to your meeting and does not teach the truth about Christ, don’t invite that person into your home or give any kind of encouragement.
2 john 1;10
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Timothy 4:3
Now what do you think about the below scripture?
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
18But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
Possible, but unlikely.
Those imperfect Humans also measure the speed of light, and get remarkably consistent answers.
We are talking about interpretation of scripture and variated results. We are not talking about the speed of light.
Given that religion does NOT get consistent answers, it suggests very strongly that the imperfections are in the source material, not those examining it.
Consistant - unchanging in nature, standard, or effect over time.
Or
compatible or in agreement with something.
Or
acting or done in the same way over time, especially so as to be fair or accurate.
What answer do you believe are inconsistent?
Why is it more unlikely?
What is your arguement here?
There's more to Christianity than Jesus.
For God so loved the world
That He gave His only Son
And whosoever believes will not perish
They shall have eternal life
Without Christ im just ian. What more is there to Christianity?
Like I said, there is more to Christianity than Jesus.
So what more is there to Christianity than the importance of salvation through Jesus?
And what do you claim is preventing you? It's easy to do at home.
Using electricity to split water into oxygen and hydrogen is an experiment often done in schools. It's not complicated.
Wow thank you for that video. We have chemical decomposition produced by passing an electric current through water which containis ions. In this case a solution of epsom salt, a battery and some test tubes.
The conclusion being that the ratio is 2:1 based on what amount of gas seen in each test tube. So in order to perform this test i have to follow instructions and use ingredients intregal to this test.
I would use salt or another impurity to conduct electricity as pure water cannot conduct.
I cannot use sugar dissolved in water, the solution does not conduct electricity because there are no ions in the solution. Salt, or sodium chloride (NaCl) breaks up into positive Na ions and negative Cl ions.
For us to get the proof we need to follow the instructions and we need to know what outcome we are looking for. There is no use performing this experiment without a desired conclusion. For example i would not perform this test to prove that gas is flammable.
Lets take this example of proof re physical science and apply it to proof re God.
Do you agree that in order for me to prove a result i must follow the directions prescribed by the authority and know how to identify the result or what result is desirable?
Also do I go to the experiment to get proof ie i have to get all the ingredients and perform it myself?
Because I felt joy and I had thoughts put in my head that the joy came from the dragon.
Yes you have said such things, so how did this dragon give you joy? In what way or manner; by what means can the dragon give you joy?
If you want to use that term, go ahead.
I will. You said this dragon has power over nature or human fortunes and blesses - a blessing is God's or a gods favour and protection.
This dragon is a god to you.
Kylie - "Never really been religious, and considered myself atheist since I first knew what the word was"
So why have i got the above quote from you which says you consider yourself a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Which one is it there is a dragon god or no dragon god?
Kylie - "Regardless if you believe it or not, truth from the Great Bird of the Galaxy does not need human approval."
Which one is it an invisible dragon that lives in your backyard, a great bird of the galaxy or is it both?
Because I'm the one with the dragon in her backyard.
And you are also not religious and consider yourself atheist. There is also the subject of the Great bird.
At this point i do not believe i can trust what you say is the truth when I consider such contradictions in what you say. Why should i trust you when i consider such things?
Why did he instigate it?
Because the Dragon has informed me that they are from it. Besides, who else but the Dragon could do it?
Good question the dragon is invisible and can only communicate telepathically, how do you know it was not the great bird?
You see this is were it gets interesting. The only information we have on dragons are from the european and asian traditions. Your dragon conflicts with what is known about dragons from these 2 sources.
Why should i not trust them over you? How do you account for this discrepancy when we consider i only have 1 source for your dragon and many more for theirs?
