People with extreme anti-science views know the least...

[pitabread]

One thing more. God does not need salesmen.

Then why are you here?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Hansen fudged the doggone formula.

Even if you are correct, Hansen is not the god-emperor of science. Hansen did not 'discover' climate change. Hansen is not our only source of information. Remember what we discussed about trends? A trend of geophysical facts leads us to the conclusion of anthropogenic climate change.

 

[chilehed]

The more extreme the opposition, Fernbach and his co-authors found, the less people knew about the science and genetics, but the more their “self-assessed” knowledge — how much they thought they knew — increased

I'm often reminded of this when people like Kent Hovind talk about the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

 

[Dale]

I disagree with the author. Some geniuses have made important scientific discoveries that went completely against "scientific" consensus, yet are scientifically proven to be true. Many scientists produce science that the Bible warns us is false, as in "science falsely so-called."

Take the politically biased and unscrupulous claims by many in "science" that claim the earth's atmosphere has warmed due to increasing man-made (AGW) CO2. To start with, Dr. James Hansen, former chief scientist at NASA claimed this to be the case based totally on pushing a global crisis agenda, creating a crisis that does not really exist. His report gives the formula for calculating global temperature changes. In that calculation is a calculation of the earth's albedo. The albedo changes as the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere changes, due to natural cycles. Hansen made the variable albedo a fixed constant of some number that allows for gradual increases in atmospheric warming, then blames this on CO2.

First of all, the albedo, like the water vapor, is variable. Second, water vapor is by far the most impressive greenhouse gas. Third, CO2 only makes up 0.04% of the earth's atmosphere, and if it were to increase by 100% would still not affect global temperature because it is such a tiny fraction of the atmosphere to begin with. Further, because of such infinitesimal quantities and such a short time of satellite studies, which are the only accurate way to measure the earth's changing environment, it is virtually impossible for "scientists" to evaluate whether changes are caused by man or not.

Hansen's report was never peer-reviewed and was shown to world leaders who received it with the idea that this would justify creating an invented AGW crisis. All scientific papers and reports are supposed to be peer-reviewed, Hansen's wasn't. It was garbage. The earth's atmosphere is warm now because it is natural for it to be, but it is cooling, again due to natural cycles of ocean temperature changes. The ocean temperatures drive the atmosphere. So why the AGW hoax?

Politics - the UN in its Agenda 21 are trying to remove current national borders and constitutions, to be replaced with their own. Everyone is supposed to think globally, not what is best for their country. The result is a New World Order, which George H.W. Bush kept talking about and touting. Create global crises and globally respond to them, nationalism be damned. That is their approach. Work off the emotions of the population, not with real science.

Science in its true form is man's way of trying to understand God's creation. It is false science to leave God out of the equation. The Bible (something you as an atheist don't believe in) says to beware of carefully contrived fables and science falsely so-called. This does not condemn all science, just that which is false. That which is false is that which tries to explain away God. But you see, no matter how hard you try, you can't.

I'll give you a Biblical answer. Does the Bible contain any prophecy that would make us think that Global Warming will be a problem?

7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and firemixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
--Revelation 8:7 NIV

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
--Revelation 8:7 KJV


In this prophecy of the end times, trees are burned, grass is burned. This is accompanied by prophecies of a high cost of living, a sign that the world is in chaos. Yes, it does sound like Global Warming.

 

[SkyWriting]

Not really. It would be interesting to see the analogue of the self-assessed knowledge as opposed to the objective knowledge tested by Pew.

You are right. Atheists/agnostics score better than some of the various church going groups.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm often reminded of this when people like Kent Hovind talk about the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

The one saying the earth is getting hotter?

 

[SkyWriting]

One thing more. God does not need salesmen. The Bible tells us that He has chosen His children from the foundation of the world. This is know as predestination/election. Our will is to not seek after God, there is none righteous, no, not one. It is God who chose His own and caused us to approach unto Him. Psalm 65:4a - "Blessed is the man whom thou choosest and causest to approach unto thee..." We who are born again are born not by blood, nor the by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man, but of God." We Christians are born of God. I preach the word... I can't "sell" anything. Atheists are no more in control of this than I was. Think on this: You are not born again... yet.... but in the future?....... only God knows.

Atheists are not banned from Heaven. This is written about them:

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart.

 

[Sound Doctrine]

Atheists are not banned from Heaven. This is written about them:

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart.

Think one this: There are no nonbelievers in hell.

 

[pitabread]

Think one this: There are no nonbelievers in hell.

Oh look, another veiled threat.

 

[Sound Doctrine]

Then why are you here?

I might ask you the same question. This is not an atheist site. I am commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to preach the Gospel to every creature. I am to preach the word, to be instant in season, out of season. To reprove, rebuke, and exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. I have visited atheist sites and seen their complaints about Christians. Some of their points are valid. I discussed those matters with kindness. Too bad atheists don't have the same attitude. So, I have had to give y'all hard teachings from the Scriptures. And they are true. I also notice that atheists quote authors of various works but don't seem to have minds of their own. I also notice that atheists stereotype like crazy, are prejudiced, highminded, and to be blunt, arrogant. I live with a die-hard atheist, and y'all sound just like him most of the time. I've heard most of what has been posted here, already. You don't seem to be able to understand me, though I have been clear.

 

[Sound Doctrine]

Oh look, another veiled threat.

No threats, just fact. Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

 

[Larniavc]

When you earn a PhD, you realize how little everyone knows

Acshully you become part of the cabal of Atheist Against God and start suppressing evidence of Intelligent Design.

 

[Hieronymus]

Science- The study of the way God did things .

Not really.
It is unknown and impossible to find out or study HOW God created everything He did.
We can only study WHAT He created.

 

[Hieronymus]

Well, the hypothesis of the researcher is that "Fernbach hypothesizes that climate change has become so politically polarized that people subscribe to whatever their ideological group says, regardless of how much they think they know."

So it's not so much that climate change denialists are necessarily well-informed, but that their level of information is almost irrelevant, since adherence to the idea is not based on evidence, but tribal association.

That's not how the reality around the matter is though.
Everything is political and money and platform decides what the consensus is.

 

[Hieronymus]

Although you have claimed that geological dating is 'not science', it is a scientific fact that the earth is billions of years old.

No, it's according to the model with the most funding and media / education platform.

 

[Hieronymus]

There are many scientific findings. Can you tell me which findings in particular you have in mind?

Everything he was made to believe.

 

[Hieronymus]

You are not the only one to have noticed this. It also seems to tie in with Denialists and conspiracy theorists.

Or the sheep that have been told there are no conspiracies, and no matter how much evidence you may point them too, they stick to what they've been told.

 

[grasping the after wind]

I've seen that climate change is more politically charged than other areas of science. That could have an effect.

As a far as i can tell, Biology has become the most politically charged area and some deniers, most notably in Canada, are attempting to use the coercive force of government to codify their anti science agenda. I do not know many people that deny climate change. Almost everyone agrees that climate is not something that remains stable but changes at various rates over time. there are however quite a few people that insist that one's biological sex is a matter of one's preference or socialization.

 

[essentialsaltes]

That's not how the reality around the matter is though.
Everything is political and money and platform decides what the consensus is.

Spend as much money as you like, and the melting point of gallium will still be about 30 degrees Celsius.

 

[Hieronymus]

Atheists are not banned from Heaven. This is written about them:

Proverbs 21:2
Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart.

So they probably ARE banned then.
Change of heart or repentance and turning to God in faith seems rather essential throughout the Bible.

Spend as much money as you like, and the melting point of gallium will still be about 30 degrees Celsius.

You know we're not talking about simple facts, relatively easily derived by repeatable experiments.