DOES A JEWISH TEMPLE/SANCTUARY HAVE TO BE BUILT BEFORE JESUS RETURNS?

Does a Jewish Temple and Sanctuary have to be built before Jesus returns?

  • No. He can come whenever He is ready

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  • Yes.

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  • I don't know but am willing to learn

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All prophecy of God has or will come to pass.
That being said, many prophecies have not yet come to pass , but surely will.
The Anti-christ has not yet been revealed nor has he committed the abomination of desolation in the future temple that at this present time has not been constructed.
Second Thessalonians 2:3-4
Let no man deceive you by any means : for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first , and that man of sin be revealed , the son of perdition;
4) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped ; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God , shewing himself that he is God.

Jesus says in Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place , (whoso readeth , let him understand)

Jesus was speaking some 200 years after the abomination of desolation involving Antiochus Epiphanies (167 BC).
So therefore Jesus was speaking of a future event to come in a future temple to come where the Anti-Christ's future abomination of desolation will occur before The Second Coming of Christ.

Also Antiochus Epiphanies didn't confirm a covenant with Israel for 7 years as prophesied in Daniel 9:27.

Therefore there must be a future temple for these particular prophecies of God to be fulfilled.
The Second Coming of Christ is clearly after the abomination of desolation therefore after the third temple is built.

That is why I voted yes to the OP question.

All glory be to God now and forever!
What about the 1st Temple/Jerusalem discourse?
It plainly shows the Temple standing .....

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
Mark 13:
1 And He going forth out of the Temple, one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple, that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>
24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”

Luke 19:
41 And as He nears, beholding the City and He laments on Her, 42 saying, "That if thou-knew, and thou, even indeed in the day, this, the toward Peace of thee, now yet it was Hid from thy eyes.
43 That shall be arriving days upon thee, and thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart<5482> to thee, and shall be encompassing thee, and pressing thee every which place.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/ARTchive/Jerusalem/Temple/index.html

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What about the 1st Temple/Jerusalem discourse?
It plainly shows the Temple standing .....

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
Mark 13:
1 And He going forth out of the Temple, one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple, that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>
24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”


Luke 19:
41 And as He nears, beholding the City and He laments on Her, 42 saying, "That if thou-knew, and thou, even indeed in the day, this, the toward Peace of thee, now yet it was Hid from thy eyes.
43 That shall be arriving days upon thee, and thy Enemies shall be casting up a rampart<5482> to thee, and shall be encompassing thee, and pressing thee every which place.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/ARTchive/Jerusalem/Temple/index.html

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I am not sure what you are trying to convey.
 
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The temple will be a literal constructed temple out of material that doesn't consist of flesh and bone nor spirit.

And what would be the purpose of the third temple when Jesus Christ of Nazareth already rebuilt it? Possibly to usher in a false messiah?
 
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And what would be the purpose of the third temple when Jesus Christ of Nazareth already rebuilt it? Possibly to usher in a false messiah?
Well first off there is no need for a temple because of Him.
You know that and I know that, but others do not.
After it is built the Anti-Christ who actually is a false messiah will occupy it and demand worship of himself . (Refer back to Second Thessalonians 2:3-4)
In this third temple is where he commits the abomination of desolation that Daniel 9:27 talks about and what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15 which He refers to Daniel regarding this some 200 years after Daniel wrote about it.
Therefore speaking of the future.
There hasn't been a temple in Jerusalem since then , but there must be according to the very words of Jesus and for prophecy to come to fruition.
All of this happens before the The Second Coming of Christ.
There are preparations already being made regarding this.
 
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There absolutely will be another temple built before The Second Coming of Christ by His very own words in Matthew 24:15 where He is clearly talking about a future event( prophecy)that had not yet been fulfilled.

Cut the following verse out of your Bible, and maybe you can make the idea work...

Joh 10:22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

You can hope that nobody on this forum really cares what this verse is about.

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Cut the following verse out of your Bible, and maybe you can make the idea work...

Joh 10:22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

You can hope that nobody on this forum really cares what this verse is about.

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It isn't about making an "idea" work.
It is what the Scriptures clearly teach.
Which you haven't refuted .
 
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DOES A JEWISH TEMPLE/SANCTUARY HAVE TO BE BUILT BEFORE JESUS RETURNS?

Any thoughts on this?

I voted "I don't know" for now.


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I went with yes.....

Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

One of the best arguments that I have ran into as to why
Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community
in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple is
a statement by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus:

Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

So... all that the prophets have spoken would include Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 that
clearly describe the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as part of the Era of Messiah / Moshiach.... .the millennial rule of Messiah over all the earth.

Also:
Luke 13:35

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Was Ezekiel blessed?

Did Ezekiel come in the name of the Lord?

Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?
 
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Well first off there is no need for a temple because of Him.
You know that and I know that, but others do not.
After it is built the Anti-Christ who actually is a false messiah will occupy it and demand worship of himself . (Refer back to Second Thessalonians 2:3-4)
In this third temple is where he commits the abomination of desolation that Daniel 9:27 talks about and what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15 which He refers to Daniel regarding this some 200 years after Daniel wrote about it.
Therefore speaking of the future.
There hasn't been a temple in Jerusalem since then , but there must be according to the very words of Jesus and for prophecy to come to fruition.
All of this happens before the The Second Coming of Christ.
There are preparations already being made regarding this.
They would know if you told them. After all, we are commanded to spread the good news. What love is there in leading others away from the truth? And why would you divert Gods will
 
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They would know if you told them. After all, we are commanded to spread the good news. What love is there in leading others away from the truth? And why would you divert Gods will
What?
I was referring to the third temple not the gospel, and I am sharing the gospel with the lost and discussing the third temple with believers.

Nonetheless a third temple will be built to fulfill prophecy. In that regard it is needed.

Why in the world would you assume I don't share the gospel?
How am I leading others from the truth?
How can you state that I am diverting God's will?

Three ridiculous and unfounded charges made by you.
This is unacceptable on so many levels.
And , you haven't refuted any of the Scriptures that I provided concerning the OP topic.

Which at this point I am not concerned about, but rather the ridiculous false charges you so nonchalantly and grossly made.
Seriously SMH.
 
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It isn't about making an "idea" work.
It is what the Scriptures clearly teach.
Which you haven't refuted .

From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.

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Two major things that are missing that did not happened during Antiochus Epiphanies (167 BC), he
never confirmed a covenant with Israel for 7 years and he never implemented the mark of the beast.

Why?
Because he wasn't the Anti-Christ .
He was a foreshadow of the Anti-Christ .

What Daniel was writing of in 9:27, and what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15, and what Paul was writing of in Second Thessalonians 2:3-4 has not come to pass.
There are many other things that haven't come to pass as of yet , but the two I listed are major.

May the Lord bless you and guide you .
 
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Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.

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Yes, there are a plethora of parallels in those. [I have a thread on those here if others are interested:

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Matthew 24:33
“So you also, when you see all these things, know that it[fn] is nigh<1451>—at the doors!
Mark 13:29
“So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it[fn] is nigh<1451>—at the doors!
Luke 19:11
Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near/nigh<1451> Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

What was nigh at the doors? The Kingdom of God!

Luke 21:31
“So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is nigh<1451>

And from whom was it going to be taken from?

Matthew 21:43
Therefore I am saying to ye, that the Kingdom of God shall be being taken-away from Ye[OC Law/Moses/Death] and it shall be being given to a Nation[NC Grace/Life/Spirit] doing the Fruits of it.

What was the author referring to concerning "the obsolete and growing old"


Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “NEW,” He has made the first obsolete.
Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old nigh<1451> of disappearance

What time is nigh?
The time to get rid of the OC Temple, Sanctuary and Priesthood in 70ad:


Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading, and the ones hearing, the Words of the Prophecy, and the keepings in it having been Written,
for the Time is NIGH<1451>.


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What Daniel was writing of in 9:27, and what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:15, and what Paul was writing of in Second Thessalonians 2:3-4 has not come to pass.

What you do not seem to understand is, there is no antecedent for an antichrist in Daniel chapter 9, and there was no "gap" of time mentioned by the angel Gabriel.

Do you think the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then he forgot to even mention the New Covenant?
The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.



Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

The only way you can get your interpretation of Matthew 24:15-16 to work is by ignoring Luke 21:20-21.

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The building of the 3rd Temple will reveal the Anti-Christ. Do not be fooled my friends, because many of good faith will be fooled. When Jesus returns, all will know it is truly him.


Don't you mean the fourth temple? There is already the third temple. So how can there be 2 third temples then?
 
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What you do not seem to understand is, there is no antecedent for an antichrist in Daniel chapter 9, and there was no "gap" of time mentioned by the angel Gabriel.

Do you think the angel Gabriel came to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then he forgot to even mention the New Covenant?
The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.



Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

The only way you can get your interpretation of Matthew 24:15-16 to work is by ignoring Luke 21:20-21.

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You seem to be confused.
 
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