Trump: Prince May Be Guilty, but US Stands by Saudis

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and hate, what are your thoughts about hate?

Clearly Donald hates journalists; that much is obvious. That one of them was killed by a nation he has personal and financial ties to is a bonus.
 
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Well should we talk about which president did nothing but draw a red line and which one sent missiles to back up his words when innocent people were attacked with chemical weapons?
Then we should skip all the harsh language and let the Russians handle it like in Syria.
 
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Where is the evidence for that accusation?
You do know the Saudis help Mr. Trump with some cash back in bankruptcy days. Surely you know that. Obama was President I believe ... blame Obama.
 
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COW51 Your question was "Would you have the same stance if the murder victim had been a Christian?" My answer was "Yes all lives are equally valuable, matters not who or what." and now you say "Color me skeptical." so if you dont agree with someone attack them with an insult or two
Ok. I’ll consider that advice.:ebil: I apologize, but I do doubt most conservative evangelicals feel the way you do.
Here’s a Muslim journalist writing for the “enemy of the people” who gets murdered for doing so. I’m not seeing a bunch of evangelicals getting too concerned exceyabout possible loss of arm sales.Prominent evangelical leader on Khashoggi crisis: let’s not risk "$100 billion worth of arms sales"
 
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I was going to write this when the news about the murder first came out, but I think it needs saying now: Realpolitik was always going to win out in this case. Regardless of who the president was in this case, the US wasn't going to risk its relationship with a key strategic and economic partner over a single death of a non-national, regardless of how high profile this has become.

It's in the US' national interests to maintain a strong relationship with Saudi Arabia. And the US has historically not been above letting other countries get away with literal murder, or even conducting literal murder, if it supports their own geopolitical interests.

That said, Trump's handling of this has been simply appalling. Amateurish and petulant to boot. In local political terms, it just reinforces his willingness to cozy up to dictators and petty authoritarians while also making him look rather spineless. In international political terms, it shows the US as continuing to abdicate the mantle of moral responsibility that it has attempted to take on in global matters - worrying allies and weakening the country's international standing.

I'm not saying that Obama (or another candidate like Hillary or J Bush) would have done anything to threaten the US-Saudi relationship over this had it occurred during their administrations, but I'd bet a pretty penny that they would have handled the situation with a lot more care, tact and sense.
 
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Ok. I’ll consider that advice.:ebil: I apologize, but I do doubt most conservative evangelicals feel the way you do.
Here’s a Muslim journalist writing for the “enemy of the people” who gets murdered for doing so. I’m not seeing a bunch of evangelicals getting too concerned exceyabout possible loss of arm sales.Prominent evangelical leader on Khashoggi crisis: let’s not risk "$100 billion worth of arms sales"
I think you are misunderstanding me. I am just as disturbed as anyone about the murder. My only point is that we do not solve that by reducing the security of our nation and other nations as well. That is just going to result in more deaths. The arms sales only become part of the issue when we consider that if we do not sell those arms others will and that can again reduce our security.
 
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You do know the Saudis help Mr. Trump with some cash back in bankruptcy days. Surely you know that. Obama was President I believe ... blame Obama.
My understanding is the some people from S.A. purchased units in a Trump project. I may be wrong on this but I think it was a project that did not belong to Trump but was using his name to attract customers. He sold name rights on several projects that he hand no ownership in.
 
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Clearly Donald hates journalists; that much is obvious. That one of them was killed by a nation he has personal and financial ties to is a bonus.
Please provide the evidence for the personal and financial ties you claim he has.
 
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Certainly military leadership is not going to make any comments about State Department and White House political business. Active duty generals are never going to criticize civilian leadership. Not ever. That's not even a story. It means absolutely nothing about what military leaders actually think.

But I've been to Saudi Arabia, and I know a lot of other people in the military who have, and I've heard some general officer comments made "just among us troops"--and the uniform uniformed opinion of Saudi Arabia from people who have been there is that Saudi Arabian morality sucks and being their bedfellow forces us to suck with them.



This essentially says the same thing as the first story you linked earlier.

Conventional propaganda: Saudis good, Iranians bad! It totally ignores the role of Saudi Arabia in all of the terrorism exported out of the Middle East. It ignores that Saudi Arabia funds all of the radical Muslim outreach in the West.

But it does mention that the US continues to be Saudi Arabia's ally in its 1400-year-long war with the Shiites. As though we should care about their 1400-year-long war with the Shiites. The Saudis are not friends of the West.



That story said nothing about Saudi Arabia.
All I can do is provide the facts the rest is up to you
 
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Anyone else find it telling that Mr. "America First" has more praise and kind words for the people who killed Jamal Khashoggi than he does for the people who killed Osama Bin Laden?
 
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Well the articles are a big nothing so he used the name "Jeddah" so what? the article then goes on to say that he did not build anything in S.A. but I guess the real dirt is that some S.A. people purchased condo units from him and some stayed in his hotel. Wow that is it?

Now let us say that he refused to sell units to people from S.A. or to allow them to stay in the Trump hotel. Then the complaint would be that Trump has proven to discriminate against people from S.A. It would be called another Muslim Ban and the press would be up in arms and the ACLU would be in the 9th District Court getting an order to force Trump to do business with People from S.A.
 
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Now let us say that he refused to sell units to people from S.A. or to allow them to stay in the Trump hotel.

Which is not the case... but a rich fantasy life is important for happiness.
 
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Give us a number...how many US residents would a foreign authoritarian have to kill before your "meh" turned into something a little more indignant...?
I think it's less of a number of people and more about their combined net worth. As soon as their worth exceeds 100 billion dollar, they warrant a response.
 
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Give us a number...how many US residents would a foreign authoritarian have to kill before your "meh" turned into something a little more indignant...?
"meh" I had to look that up. Your taking my comment out of context,it was a response to another post and it did not mean that I did not care about the life that was lost. If you go back and get the context you will understand.
 
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